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On September 02 2015 04:16 Damdred wrote:
Actually tt it is kinda important if I'm scum reading you lets say rit and obi both are town and flip town. I'm more convinced that obi flips town than rit though for a few reasons.
you should convince me now rather than when we get to lylo that you are town and that I'm wrong on rit really
Eh, vote for me or vote for Rit.
Doesn't matter to me.
Unless you have some alternate idea for who could be scum, then I'm all ears.
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Oh yea I promised I'd respond to your case a little didn't I JJ?
I think Rit has a point that Tube likely could have carried both KP, I'm not sure but I have no way of knowing so that point is a bit moot.
Otherwise though I think your points about his RB targets (like you mention above) being bad is solid. Honestly the last time I saw RB targets this bad I tunneled a poor newbie for like 3-4 cycles (he did turn out to be town though, just terribly misguided) but Rit is no noob. His reasons for RBing HtS are terrible "She's fooled me before, so maybe..." and your point that the rest of his targets don't add up for trying to block KP.
Rit's role claim really bugs me too. The fact that he somehow knew RNG voting gave him an upgrade seems off, but it's kinda host wifom in the end. I liked your points (and you brought this up a lot earlier too, like d2) about how he really stuck to his RNG votes too without really discussing much anyone else in the game. I think it was only after Fidei made his WoT posts that pointed out Rit was doing nothing else that Rit made some effort at reads, but as you pointed out his reads didn't really go anywhere (no follow-through on them).
You also mentioned how Rit listed rayn as a scum read but never pushed him, I recall I pinged out this post N2.
On August 24 2015 07:40 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2015 05:57 ritoky wrote:On August 24 2015 05:56 Rels wrote:OK that is super true rayn scumread geript when he came into the thread by just reading 30 posts On August 21 2015 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript and rels. On August 21 2015 07:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk i read like 30 posts or so.
that's what i got out of them.
that's literally all i got to say atm. i am dead tired so until tomorrow.
i'll read more in the morning. After the night he still scumread him On August 21 2015 16:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 21 2015 07:38 geript wrote:On August 21 2015 07:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 21 2015 07:33 geript wrote:On August 21 2015 07:30 The Shining wrote:On August 21 2015 07:23 geript wrote:
There were 5 votes for Chez. 0 for VA. 0 for Yamato. 0 for Kelsier. Like wtf people. Listen to your betters. On the upside, Yamato, judgeJudy, fido and tube sock are now confirmed town. Anyone who tries to lynch them gets lynched period. If they're mafia, it's your fault. Seriously fucking listen to me I'm the best player alive. Then lynch me. I don't understand how Tube is confirmed town. Take a look at the vote count. oh hey please tell me how does the town lynch make anyone anything? There were 4 good lynches yesterday and 5 people who voted for any of those four. At very most, there's on mafia in those 4. That means it's better to look at the main wagon and the straggler votes. You need to explain this further. You mean like because you think there is mafia in the people who were main wagons yesterday there was mafia on ruxxar? Well hey. Obviously it is likely there was mafia on ruxxar. Why would there not be. But i dont like how you're trying to approach it. It sounds like a justification to look into certain people which it definitely isnt. And now he's sheeping him.
Makes no sense. except the part where y'know...damdred as 3p claimed a save on him/town conf....and kels claimed a green check on him. that could make it make sense....are you done? Humm Rit is prob mafia for this post.
Which to me just looked like a soft defense of rayn at the time. Mostly because he went out of his way to explain why rayn might have changed his mind on geript rather than get the answer from rayn himself.
That's what I recall offhand about what I liked from your case.
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Looks like it's 3 to 3 Rit and Me
Deciding vote is you Damdred.
I wont blame you for fear voting me.
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On September 02 2015 04:57 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2015 04:19 JudgeJudy wrote:![[image loading]](http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Joey-Crawford-Block-Call-Dance-Lakers-Pacers.gif) On September 02 2015 04:09 geript wrote:
A point in your favor there is that ritoky's RB choices are pretty goddamn awful (HTS, Chez, Me, Damdred). That point is really important though. As a town roleblocker, you've got an incredibly powerful role, you're essentially a cop plus a medic because you can block the mafia kp and then when the kp never shows up, you can lynch the guy you blocked. He is roleblocking the towny HTS, the claimed survivor who almost certainly isn't carrying out the mafia kp, and yourself, the guy who already has a green check on him. Like the only good claimed rb was chez. He thought you of all people was the guy most likely to carry out the mafia kp last night? All today he attacks me for arguing against the "99%" confirmed town, yet here he is roleblocking another "99%" confirmed town to try to stop the mafia kp. There is a reason he has to do this though. He already claimed rb so he has to claim targeting someone, yet he can't block someone like me, obi or TT because that would mean his lynch pool is reduced by one each time he confirms another player. Doesn't this make sense to you? It's not a point I've forgotten, but I don't think it's right to lynch him today. Like there's a greater than 0% chance that he's town. In the least the greencheck affords him a 25% chance of being town at worst. Plus, it's not like mafia aren't essentially forced to NK him if the RB can hit them. Right now I think there's 7 people. He can't RB me, or Fido, or Damdred. That leaves him 3 people he can claim an rb on. Like he's only got a win condition if he has a partner still alive. If he's mafia, we can only lose if Damdred isn't a survivor. Strategically, he's just a very bad lynch today and maybe tomorrow too.
This is an interesting point, but if I were to flip town where would that leave you tomorrow?
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More people should listen to everyone's favorite townread, Fidei.
I'm totally like the worst lynch ever.
Also, that's fun to know JJ.
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On September 02 2015 05:11 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2015 04:42 Tictock wrote:
Looks like it's 3 to 3 Rit and Me
Deciding vote is you Damdred.
I wont blame you for fear voting me. How is anything I'm doing fear siding? I'm being pretty rational at this point in time and trying to make a decent decision.
More than anyone it looks like your struggling since you seem to have pretty decent reasons to townread all of us.
Seems like people have a hard time reading me and I managed to avoid you in HG. Fear could well be a motivator here.
Ironic eh?
The fate of either Rit or myself lies in the hands of our 3p Survivor...
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On September 02 2015 05:17 Fidei86 wrote:
Question: if kp are factionally delivered, does the rb on Mafia achieve anything?
KP is definitely not fractionally delivered.
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I believe that was after I had tried to start a lynch on rayn, then unvoted to Fidei.
Honestly I just remember being disappointing nobody else was willing to jump on Rayn over Rels at that point, kus I was pretty sure Rels wasn't mafia. I really don't recall why I hopped on Fidie, just that I was kinda swinging my opinion on him a lot D1 and 2.
Humm....
Didn't Fidei rejoin EoD promising some big case on Rels, then swapped it to Rit? That mighta been why I switched.
Retrospect that just makes me believe Fidei's watcher claim all the more, he even claimed that whole case switch was to throw people off.
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Fid...
It's somewhere in between I don't have a super solid reason to push him, he's just the top slot in PoE, and that I don't feel like pushing him will be very revealing.
I've been trying to explain to JJ the same thing kus I earlier stated this notion as "I don't think an Obi lynch will give us much info"
So far when pushed Obi has just shut down and called me stupid or mean for pushing him.
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And that other post was in response to Damdred, Fid
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I'm pretty happy with this gamestate atm.
I know Damdred will see the light...
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Not really.
I didn't really think Tube or LT were going to flip scum before the start of D3. It's accurate to say that I didn't move my vote to LT before KSC claimed his fake redcheck on him.
This is getting boring if your just gunna nitpick all my read switches.
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On September 02 2015 05:59 ritoky wrote:
the simple reality of this game is that mafia have to ml me today or they are going to lose. they cannot nk me because there are not enough mls in the game outside of me being in the list for them to win. they also must ml me asap because as the #s dwindle i get a better shot at blocking their kp, confirming my alignment, and finding mafia 100% and probably ending the game. it really is as simple as that.
Expect there is clearly an RB or something floating around besides you. Mafia should want to NK you a lot actually.
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On September 02 2015 06:08 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 22:26 Rels wrote:
Alright I ll claim before the nuke is launched on someone I don't like.
I'm a cop. My check:
N1 Damdred: 3p
N2 ritoky: green
N3 Chezinu: red
Now my N2 check could have been framed, tune was still alive during N2. But that's why I would prefer to nuke ksc instead of ritoky + ritoky wasting 1 nuke 1 anti nuke of he is mafia. This makes it impossible for rit to be framed I think
Why?
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On September 02 2015 06:11 Damdred wrote:
That was the same night ff checked lt and his check was messed with but he knew hew avant rb because his other check went through.
On August 25 2015 13:01 Fecalfeast wrote:
I guess since it isn't really my role I should just out. My upgrade was a 1-shot cop check which I used on Lord Tolkien. The result I got was literally "No Result" so unless I got a fake cop check, kelsier's check is 100% fake
On August 25 2015 13:38 Fecalfeast wrote:
Fuck it i think my role is stupid anyway and i will start playing vt.
I am a cop but my check is limited to who my vote ended up on the day previous. My check on geript went through and i got green
Actually his N2 check was on Gript and was green, his thing on LT returning null is still weird.
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On September 02 2015 06:20 Damdred wrote:
You idiots read the,mafia role they don't show up as free they show up as untraceable and uncheckable
What are you talking about?
I think your mis-remembering things.
Tube never got his upgrade.
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On September 02 2015 06:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2015 05:38 Tictock wrote:
Fid...
It's somewhere in between I don't have a super solid reason to push him, he's just the top slot in PoE, and that I don't feel like pushing him will be very revealing.
I've been trying to explain to JJ the same thing kus I earlier stated this notion as "I don't think an Obi lynch will give us much info"
So far when pushed Obi has just shut down and called me stupid or mean for pushing him. Pretty much just stupid, cuz you've never actually had a case in yet you keep acting like you do.
Noted
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Thanks to mafia for picking a day when I can be around EoD to push me.
This woulda been lame if I was working today.
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Ugh, it really has to come down to roles and shit?
I suppose it is a themed game...
I'll think about it
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Like I really am just a terrible lynch
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