On August 13 2015 11:01 geript wrote:
[spoiler=Final Vote Count]Final Vote Count

Trfel (0): ~~Chezinu~~, ~~VisceraEyes~~
Hopeless1der (4): ~~raynpelikoneet~~, ~~rsoultin~~, ruXxar, raynpelikoneet, ~~Artanis[Xp]~~, ~~VisceraEyes~~, Vivax, Palmar
ruXxar (0): ~~raynpelikoneet~~, ~~Vivax~~, ~~Vivax~~, ~~Palmar~~
VisceraEyes (1): ~~Artanis[XP]~~, deconduo
deconduo (8): ~~VisceraEyes~~, rsoultin, Artanis[Xp], VisceraEyes, prplhz, Hopeless1der, ~~Palmar~~, Trfel, Chezinu, Damdred
Damdred (0): ~~Palmar~~, ~~prplhz~~, ~~Vivax~~
Chezinu (0): ~~prplhz~~

I am talking to you rsoultin, Artanis and Damdred.
This is the situation you all thought is true at some point.

What the fuck is mafia doing?
rsoultin does not care.
Artanis was afk because night(?)
Damdred realizes this but still does not care.

.... and you can't all even be mafia, to be honest i don't think any of you is..
why oh why? why are you doing this?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

August 13 2015 08:21 GMT

#1029

Apparently Artanis was not afk..

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

August 13 2015 08:23 GMT

#1030

Chezinu why did you vote with both of your scumreads?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

August 13 2015 08:23 GMT

#1031

Final answer Hopeless / prplhz / Chezinu.

Now stop being stupid. I am looking at you Artanis, rsoultin and Damdred.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

August 13 2015 08:36 GMT

#1034

I was kinda thinking of calling Trfel mafia but what he says and how he approaches the EoD lines up with his thought process earlier in the game.

prplhz suddenly crawls up from his cave when votes start going towards Hopeless. There is zero mention in his filter about Palmar which i find out to be impossible unless he is mafia (Palmar is really good at reading him, and they ALWAYS "fight" when prplhz is town, or if they are both mafia). He isn't saying anything smart and is only focused on saing dumb things to me, by dumb i mean things that are not relevant to anything really.

Hopeless just posts stuff that has zero thoughts behind it. Regardless of his activity in games that IS his scumplay, and NOT his townplay. As town he is at least trying to help, regardless of how people read his posts and regardless of if he gets lynched for it or not. He has literally zero intention to find mafia here, as i said he is just posting stuff.

There was not really any reason to scumread deconduo until he posts more. prplhz has been around long enough to know this. I talked about it with rsoultin. The game is hella different than it used to be and we just witnessed the same thing with iGrok last game. The fact that deconduo never comes back to the thread should not be a reason to lynch him, he is just begging for a vig-shot. But it does not make him a good lynch, because you can't really tell his alignment from his posting. The votes and how they ended up on deconduo SHOULD have told you there is something really wrong with this lynch.... meh...

Palmar i need you to step up here and do it quick. When i die i don't want this game to go on to autopilot mode which nearly lost the game in Down Under just because you lost your credibility by your "not caring" attitude early on. Please do start caring and please do it FAST.

Artanis halp me.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

August 13 2015 08:39 GMT

#1035

On August 13 2015 17:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

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You no longer thing RuXx is mafia?

I don't know and i don't care right now.
I am just going to ignore him because noone except Vivax will lynch him anyways no matter what i think and it's not productive. So i just completely ignore him and if he is mafia i am blaming you.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

August 13 2015 09:05 GMT

#1037

On August 13 2015 18:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Feels like he was just arguing for the sake of arguing.

That is my interpretation of his play aswell.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

August 13 2015 09:12 GMT

#1038

The problem with Chezinu is that when he is town his ciphered posts do contain a shitton of information and thought if you go through them and try to understand what he is actually saying. When he is mafia they usually don't. Which is like here. The only things he has basically done is "Chezinu rule" and then "vote deconduo (AGAINST the Chezinu rule - as both of Damdred and Trfel are there aswell)". Chazinu is not stupid, and i KNOW he believes in the Chezinu rule. It makes literally no sense at all he is basically throwing his #1 read gathering mechanic into trash when it actually matters the most.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

August 13 2015 09:31 GMT

#1040

seems like vivax has pooped some white stones maybe?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

August 13 2015 09:50 GMT

#1043

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

August 13 2015 11:03 GMT

#1051

Noone is saying "we are stormvoting prplhz".

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

August 13 2015 11:07 GMT

#1053

prplhz when was the last game you have zero mentions of Palmar on D1?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

August 13 2015 11:10 GMT

#1056

On August 13 2015 20:09 prplhz wrote:

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as what alignment?

as any alignment.

like this is what i don't like. instead of just answering you start some sort of argument that doesn't really help or solve anything.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

August 13 2015 11:21 GMT

#1058

Like can you explain this prplhz:

Here is what i see when i read your filter:
First you say you need something to sheep (which is basically what you say all D1 long). Okay fine. Then you argue against lynching Hopeless because there is no case which is literally incorrect because i actually made a case on him. Instead of addressing the case directly you get into an argument with me over something that is totally irrelevant to finding mafia. Then you call out VE (i guess you are suspicious of him then, because why would you do that otherwise?). That's also fine. Then you go into an argument with Artanis about deconduo, and during the argument - when i read it now - it seems like you are defending deconduo (by attacking Artanis' argument). That's also fine.

What is NOT FINE is that your vote ends up on Deconduo given that you have:
- said you just don't wanna lurker lynch (hopeless) but apparently lurkerlynching deconduo is okay for you ?!?!?
- never ever commented on my ACTUAL CASE on Hopeless, and the fact that there was no case on deconduo
- VE, who you are suspicious of, is basically the first person to push deconduo, and you just don't care about this at all?
- You defend "deconduo" against Artanis. Hell Artanis even tells you VE is the first one to push deconduo, you still don't care.
- After all this you just park your vote on deconduo....

Like how in your opinion does ANY of this make ANY sense at all?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

August 13 2015 11:26 GMT

#1060

On August 13 2015 20:23 prplhz wrote:
i don't even know what you expected me to say about palmar. he's been afk all game. to me he's a great null in a sea of nulls. i don't know why you expect me to have a strong opinion on him or why you expect me to try to engage noticably with someone who often stubbornly just does what he feels like.

well in contrary to you i have a strong ideo of ~7 people who he thinks are either town or mafia.

i have zero idea who you think is mafia, so it's kinda unfair to call him "afk" or even "null". Because he has ACTUAL reads. If he posts his reasoning or not does not matter.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

August 13 2015 11:45 GMT

#1067

On August 13 2015 20:30 Vivax wrote:
I'm not letting Artanis off the hook after what he did yesterday when he tried to move me to Decon using my own posts as a tool.

But Artanis is not mafia.

There is a certain difference in his play when he is scum. The way he addresses & acts towards me is either super hostile (in terms of he will either call me scum or just trash my reads with no real logic) or super buddy. In this game it's neither as while he disagrees with me on some things his criticism comes around as constructive and not a single bit bullshtitty. Like he is actually trying to work with me instead of how he does it as scum.

Also the fact that he lynched deconduo and what happened after that is townie. If Artanis is mafia here he should think that (1) when deconduo flips town rayn can call him scum, which is bad and (2) when deconduo flips town he basically has to give me the keys to wreck his scumteam because he can't just argue against me, it's a suicide.

So like, unless BOTH of Hopeless and Chezinu are town there is absolutely no reason why Artanis does what he did as mafia. And i think it's 100% impossible that they are both town, and 95% impossible that EITHER of them is town. Because otherwise i am missing too many things and there is just not fucking enough people who can be mafia.

So like, i am not sure about prplhz. But the more he posts the more accurate my read gets. I don't know, i guess there is a possibility that rsoultin or Trfel is mafia in case prplhz is not.

The point is we need to murder Hopeless. And do it quick, because him flipping mafia makes Palmar confirmed town and it also makes Artanis confirmed town. Then you can narrow it down. Hopeless' affiliation is really a big key to this game atm, it solves many things. Then we can ask rsoultin and Trfel (and prplhz) about their ignorance on Hopeless over deconduo, because at least with rsoultin i ACTUALLY explained her why Hopeless is likely mafia and why deconduo's play was not alignment indicative. She still fucking ended up lynching deconduo. I don't know, i am terrible at reading her on D1 because i find a lot of stuff she does too inconclusive and just plain out wrong. She gets better wehn the game goes on though, unfortunately i am probably not gonna be here playing the game at that point. So just doc me.