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On August 06 2015 09:03 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2015 08:57 Damdred wrote:On August 06 2015 08:53 CopCake wrote:On August 06 2015 08:49 Damdred wrote:
I've talked about it a bit before but, the first hint was his disagreeing with rayns opinion on ruxx and pushing his own.
since then his grasping to figure things out with you cake make him look pretty towny.
He's worth a reevaluation later but I'm pretty sure this is town kel atm I don't think he is trying to figure out things with me but trying to fish dumb stuff for me, like asking me for reads when I asked for reads for me, I am new, I know some but I want to read people's opinions on metas and then put my "neutral reads" and check them together. I am quite a gem, trust me. He didn't understand and pressured you I don't see much scum motivation unless both of you are scum sorta. But I don't think that's the case. Or how its fishing for dumb things, his posts weren't really bad I don't like when people makes captain obvious to me and I don't like how he is saying my first post is bad when I wrote another thing that was catching up etc but didn't get posted, I'm learning to use this site and asking for reads is a way for me to read people and it helps me with my reads in general since I will see things differently as most of you. It's kinda cheap and annoying what kelsier was doing.
get over it ^^
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On August 06 2015 09:06 The Shining wrote:
Damdred town. Clear clear thought processes and a willingness to revisit a question/topic he already discussed because Cake asked again makes it look like he has nothing to hide.
I don't like Cop feeling it necessary to point out that he's a gem, as well as giving us his own chosen example of his scum meta. It shows he's very weary of his play, and how he looks at himself as scum, and trying to influence us in that direction instead of giving us the opportunity to do so on our own. Unless that is literally his only scumgame on this site.
interesting
could come from town
and, and, and
SHINING!! <3 ^^ you're alive!
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igrok if you want to actually discuss things with me you may, because as it stands i'm not really seeing any reason to townread you. i'm not getting lynched because people who can actually read me are in this game ^^ fair warning
nh...i dunnae about cake. i've played with her once in forum and she was mafia there...never seen her town play. inclined to just trust rayn on her, really, i think, at least insofar as i ever trust rayn lol
ff and yama pending
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On August 06 2015 17:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:i can't talk about that either yet. 
he thinks i'm town for bad reasons that don't actually make me town lol ><
and, in fact, the same with scott. there are reasons to read scott town and this is not one of them
like, rayn, i don't even mind you tunneling the shit out of me, but you need to drop this line of reasoning because it's objectively awful
as for the ruxx/igrok thing eh
there are two castes of players
the caste that actually reads my posts closely enough to see that the content is everywhere, and that i'm doing things with it
and the caste that just skims over the posts and dismisses them as fluff
the second is much larger than the first
igrok calls me an "active lurker" but people who understand my posts when i read them find that stupid. so i can see both sides there. to me, the biggest mark against igrok is all he's doing is going
lynch lurkers
lynch lurkers
lynch lurkers
here's some yummy coaching
lynch lurkers
some more things on how to play the game
igrok isn't actually doing anything that isn't very easy for scum to do and i've yet to see him really start playing this game
also, ftr, i agree with damdy on shining...i think that read of yours is wrong as well, rayn
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On August 06 2015 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah then don't talk about ongoing games.
Damdred. Why is shining town? Full elaboration would be nice.
Also i am actully pretty sure cake is town.
ye there's no way to productively pursue this conversation
you done goofed man lol ><
mmmm i'm not 100% on shining by any means but i liked his reads. they felt like a shining ^^ i don't want to lynch him today
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On August 06 2015 21:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So okay, let's not consider you town for "bad reasons" then rsoultin.
So far you have
- mocked me
- mocked iGrok
- said weird stuff.
Which of Shining's reads are good in your opinion and why?
I will help you out, he actually has one read.
;o;
you know, rayn, you claiming that you actually want to play with me and talking about how smart i am and how excited you were to play with me...
i don't think you actually understand how i play this game at all
what's funny is i don't actually remember his reads at this point? i remember seeing the two in his little paragraph and going oh...that's actually insightful shining could be town this game
-shrugs-
i responded to it when he posted it. see for yourself
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On August 06 2015 21:55 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2015 19:49 Damdred wrote:
at this time I would like to say that shining is town but I don't blame anyone for being wrong about him at this point. His first post was bad but his next ones were good and reflect town shining, and while it will be hard together if you listen to me we will get through this. My read on shining hasn't been wrong ij many many games so just believe me that he's town. Show nested quote +On August 06 2015 21:26 rsoultin wrote:
also, ftr, i agree with damdy on shining...i think that read of yours is wrong as well, rayn It's super cool you two thinks Shining is town, but could you comment on the actual things rayn said ? Is it a good case or not ?
honestly, rels...most things aren't good cases this early because they're based on very little
i could break it apart like i did when i coached you, but if something had caught my eye as particularly damning i would have mentioned it? none of what he said was awful but it doesn't really make shining scum, is the thing, and i've played with shining more than he has, plus other players are more interesting, anyway
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On August 06 2015 22:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not going to work with you if you mock me. I am not gonna get visibly mad but you, as everyone, knows i will get mad when people throw shit at me. So if you are going to work with me then please do, instead of calling me shit.
You don't have an opinion on Edgar, you say the other lynch targets (Shining & Ruxxar) are town, for reasons you don't either remember or i think are not good. You want to lynch iGrok but you have no desire to tell me why what i just said about him and his motivation, and how it points more towards town than to mafia, is wrong.
Like i have no idea what you are doing!?!?!? Except for being here. iGrok's case is not bad tbh.
rayn, i'm not mocking you
i was being playful lol >< ruxxy and damdy being town this game made me giddy
i've seen ruxxar's scum games okay? as both alignments, i'm intimately familiar with his scum game. they're super constructed. he sounds like an inspirational poster lol >< and yes, kinda robotic. i was trying to say that him focusing on what he considers to be "constructed" posts makes all the sense in the world given how he plays scum, and him relaxing enough to play this way actually is town indicative
what you said about igrok isn't wrong? i'm not voting for him, if you haven't noticed. it is a risk for scum to say he's going to lynch all lurkers, forcing him into a corner if one of his teammates is lurking. but you're assuming here that 1) none of his scummates are lurking/there won't be enough lurking town to still get a mislynch off 2) he even thought that far ahead
let me try to be more articulate about what i don't like about him
iGrok is simply focusing in on one thing (lurking) to the exclusion of everything else. beyond that all his posts are "helpful" posts trying to tell people how to play the game. he has no actual reads
his case is just paraphrasing my posts and calling them all shit. in passing, okay. i post differently. he's also new to me. but if he's taking the time to read everything i'm saying, it's a little hard to believe he's daft enough to not see the points i'm making. i'm willing to entertain the thought that it's possible, though
edgar's post was eh to me. another reason i'm not voting on iGrok, tbh. it looked very...stiff/unnatural when i first read it and ye the phrasing was awkward, i agree. i'm actually inclined to vote him over iGrok at the moment...but no i'm not townreading iGrok and i think it would be foolish to at this point
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a little rsoul 101 here for you rayn lol ><
i spend the first bit of d1 threshing out my reads, and a lot of times that ends up being town-hunting and then rack-and-stacking the people i don't have a townread on to determine who i want to lynch. the only time this isn't the case is when i'm fairly certain someone is scum, but that's usually the exception on d1
i'm not a rayn  usually pick up later
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^
posts like that, give me the cheerleading but not really doing anything vibe
maybe this is how you play town, iGrok, but if it is i can't say that i'm a fan
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there's also this
us, us, us
vs.
them, them, them
line that he is reinforcing with this post
he is hard-aligning with you, rayn, which if i were you would make me instantly wary, but i don't know how well you know this guy. and town will want to start cozying up to townreads, too, so it doesn't make him scum. doesn't keep the subtext from making me itch, though
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no
rels is right
you're doing nothing
do something
it's laughable that you think this is you "carrying town"
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if you've got an issue with me, out with it
if your issue is you can't english and don't understand what's in my posts, there's little i can do to help with that until you bother to be more specific
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cause newsflash sweet cheeks
i'm not an active lurker
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eh, ruxx, if he's trying to lynch me it's clearly not based on post count
he's saying my posting is useless, but he won't ask me what i mean on the posts he doesn't understand
others are clearly finding my pushes and points, but he's not, yet he doesn't have the curiosity to see what he is that he's missing? or prove to them that they're wrong and he's right and my posts really are nothing but fluff?
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On August 06 2015 23:08 Rels wrote:
rsoul how sure are you on your ruxxar townread ?
And is it 100% based on meta ?
sure enough i'll actively try to obstruct a d1 lynch on him?
it's...god how do i even begin to explain these things ><
people here will call it meta. i usually call it tone
in reality it's a hybrid of meta/tone and actually speaks to what i know of his personality and what mindset/thoughts i believe are natural for him. scum usually has a very hard time replicating the thought process they'd have as town
this is the same way that i'm reading damdy, btw, but my track record on damdy is very, very good. i'm most confident of my damdy read as a result
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On August 06 2015 23:20 iGrok wrote:To post this here, what you just said was: Show nested quote +On August 06 2015 23:09 rsoultin wrote:
{iGrok's} saying my posting is useless, but he won't ask me what i mean on the posts he doesn't understand
others are clearly finding my pushes and points, but he's not, yet he doesn't have the curiosity to see what he is that he's missing? or prove to them that they're wrong and he's right and my posts really are nothing but fluff? Obvious bullshit.
that's because the reasons were already in the thread
thus the
"reading is a skill ^^"
post
if you don't understand what i was saying about them, say so. i'm not going to sit here and repeat myself half a dozen times because you can't be bothered to read
speaking of which, did you find what i was talking about while paraphrasing my stuff, cause you should have lol ><
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On August 06 2015 23:29 iGrok wrote:
@Rels:
I play more mechanically than most people. I'm not going to be nice and cutesy, and I'm going to take the by-GOD truth and run with it. Let me very clearly explain my initial actions:
I see that the setup is Mountainous (all-vanilla). This implies that Day 1 has absolutely no information to base any cases off of. In non-mountainous games, at least one townie has information that others don't - their power role.
This further implies that only Mafia have non-public information.
Together, these mean that mafia can be found by analyzing their actions between other people, comparing how they act to how people with 0 information would likely act.
In order for this strategy to work, all players need high activity, so that their interactions with each other can be analyzed.
This implies that lurking is actively anti-town Day 1.
This implies that pressuring lurkers is pro-town.
This implies that a Lynch-All-Lurkers policy (which iirc TLMafia desperately needs anyways) is pro-town.
A LAL policy will pressure lurkers into posting, or will eliminate them.
Town lurkers who are posting will do one of two things:
A) Come up with a read and reasoning, even if the reasoning is bad. This lets us establish relationships, and is good for town.
B) Sheep someone else's reads because they are lazy. This is bad town play, and deserves a lynch.
Scum lurkers who are posting will do one or more of the following four things:
A) Come up with a read and reasoning, even if the reasoning is bad. This lets us establish relationships, and is good for town.
B) Sheep someone else's reads because they are lazy. This is bad scum play, and deserves a lynch.
C) Post fluff. Fluff is a post that contributes nothing to scumhunting/relationship building, or actively detracts from those.
D) Lie about their activities outside of the game. A townie has no reason to mislead town about their activity levels.
Tina sheeped Ruxxar's reads, posted fluff, and lied about her activity. Does it sound stupid? Petty? Then you need to play better. This is why I'm still voting on Tina, and I will continue to as long as the remaining lurkers wake up and start posting like good townies.
There are other people who did some combination of things, but Tina was the biggest offender.
Tina's probably 50% likely to be mafia, and that's the best possible read so far in the game. There isn't enough activity for good scumreads yet.
We have 3 mislynches this game. I'm more than happy to use one early to kill a null-read lurker over a weak scumread, but right now Tina's the scummiest read assuming all the lurkers start posting. We'll get more information from the scummy player than the null one, and maybe we'll even hit a scum lurker. Again, if that sounds stupid/scummy/anti-town, play better.
If anything, I've strayed too far from the Lynch-all-Lurkers plan because of Tina's reaction, and I need to go harder on the lurkers.
ye you're awful we get it
what are your reads on anyone else?
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to be clear, igrok
tunneling me is lovely and all, but people are not going to be content with just that one read
you've managed to post quite a bit and still say nothing new
this isn't helping with those of us uncertain about your alignment
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so
not lynching:
damdy
ruxx
rayn
rels
ksc
shining
yes those are in order of relative certainty
preferred lynch currently is edgar
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