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On August 06 2015 19:16 ruXxar wrote:
Also, just saying we should lynch lurked means that you're putting the whole game down to mechanics and ignoring the rest if the game.
Its pretty dumb imo
OK I actually agree with this, igrok needs to start talking about something else. He promised to do that when he wakes up though.
But I really didn't like how you posted at the beginning of the game. It is super different from last game, where you did your poetry stuff but didn't jump and post a million reads. In this game you spammed and talked about a lot of things and most of them were shitty reads.
What do you think of scott ?
Can you give a list of townie and scummy people ?
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On August 06 2015 19:49 Damdred wrote:
Which leaves me wanting to lynch 2(?) people roughly today which means I have to re evaluate town reads soon however shining is town ^^.
I do like the Edgar case, sadly I kinda think Yamato is more likely to flip scum here because of him getting a comp saying he will spam the thread and doing nothing meh
So the two people you could lynch are Edgar and Yamato. But you previously said you would also be happy to lynch me, igrok and FF. You explained the change of read for me, but what made you change your mind about igrok and FF ?
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On August 06 2015 20:55 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2015 20:32 Rels wrote:On August 06 2015 19:16 ruXxar wrote:
Also, just saying we should lynch lurked means that you're putting the whole game down to mechanics and ignoring the rest if the game.
Its pretty dumb imo OK I actually agree with this, igrok needs to start talking about something else. He promised to do that when he wakes up though. But I really didn't like how you posted at the beginning of the game. It is super different from last game, where you did your poetry stuff but didn't jump and post a million reads. In this game you spammed and talked about a lot of things and most of them were shitty reads. What do you think of scott ? Can you give a list of townie and scummy people ? Yeah I was very chaotic reading the first few pages, if you think I'm scum for that then I have no defense, because it's what I did. I liked Scott first post, it felt genuine. Mm after that Scott attacked me, but I didn't really sense scum intentions. I've never seen Scott play scum, so have no meta for this. I still think he's a slight town read. My 100# town this game is damdred and rsoul. When I'm posting fluff first day to create activity, it's easy to see who is in the same relaxed, non stressed/tense mindset. I got that vibe from damdy and rs, don't want to lunch them this game unless they do something super scummy. Other town reads: Kelsier I'm ok with for now. Scott is meh, very slight town. I think rayn is misguided town on me, wants to find scum Rels super town, criticizing and asking edgy questions. Who else.. Fecal is neutral ish, defo not town lean. Coppy response to pressure was meeh, not so good. Shining had again big polished post, it's always slight scum lean to me when I see these kinds of polished posts, big content posts. Igrok is slight scum lean, didn't like his opening post, but could possibly come from town. His case which is the reason for him voting rsoul is so bad and bullshit I don't even know what to say. It made me think he's even more scum honestly. Those are the people I remember right now, off the top of my head. Maybe I forgot someone, dno. I'll read more in depth when I can use a computer and read filters etc.
Yeah if you were the only choice I would vote you. Luckily for you I feel EAP and Shining are way scummier than you. (=
I can understand everything you wrote apart from the rsoul&Damdred tone read. They are super vet players that can't be read by the fact that they are "relaxed" at the beginning of the game. I'm not saying they are scum, I townread Damdred for his good logic, and I'm waiting to see what rsoul bring to the town. I just don't understand you townreading them so easily.
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On August 06 2015 19:49 Damdred wrote:
at this time I would like to say that shining is town but I don't blame anyone for being wrong about him at this point. His first post was bad but his next ones were good and reflect town shining, and while it will be hard together if you listen to me we will get through this. My read on shining hasn't been wrong ij many many games so just believe me that he's town.
On August 06 2015 21:26 rsoultin wrote:
also, ftr, i agree with damdy on shining...i think that read of yours is wrong as well, rayn
It's super cool you two thinks Shining is town, but could you comment on the actual things rayn said ? Is it a good case or not ?
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On August 06 2015 22:01 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2015 21:55 Rels wrote:On August 06 2015 19:49 Damdred wrote:
at this time I would like to say that shining is town but I don't blame anyone for being wrong about him at this point. His first post was bad but his next ones were good and reflect town shining, and while it will be hard together if you listen to me we will get through this. My read on shining hasn't been wrong ij many many games so just believe me that he's town. On August 06 2015 21:26 rsoultin wrote:
also, ftr, i agree with damdy on shining...i think that read of yours is wrong as well, rayn It's super cool you two thinks Shining is town, but could you comment on the actual things rayn said ? Is it a good case or not ? honestly, rels...most things aren't good cases this early because they're based on very little i could break it apart like i did when i coached you, but if something had caught my eye as particularly damning i would have mentioned it? none of what he said was awful but it doesn't really make shining scum, is the thing, and i've played with shining more than he has, plus other players are more interesting, anyway
OK got it.
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On August 06 2015 22:24 iGrok wrote:
@Rayne, I think that this game is forming up to be a clash of mindsets - Old vets like myself, you, and possibly Yamato compared to the newer styles of rsoultin, ruxxar, and... most other people here.
Somehow, there's a mental disconnect preventing communication between the two sides. We need to fix this if we want to win.
WTF
1 - I don't even know why you count yamato in your team when you're not sure he's town or mafia.
2 - Rayn actually asked you to drop the lynch inactive thing and start to scumhunt and comment on things, so it's not far from what rsoul and ruxx are scumreading for
3 - WHY are you fucking segregating the players in opposide sides ... there is only two teams : town and mafia. It really feels like you're trying to get people to fight
There is NO disconnect preventing communication. Everybody, scumreading or twonreading you, agrees on these two things:
1 - sure we should lynch lurkers refusing to play
2 - you should start doing something else though
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On August 06 2015 22:41 iGrok wrote:
@Rels, Yes, I'm totally trying to separate the town and get people to fight by saying there are two different mindsets at work and we need to improve communication /SARCASM
OK. Explain what is the communication problem between rayn & the rest of town 'cause I don't see it.
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OK but you're wrong. Everybody is OK lynching lurker if we don't have better lynches. You stated at the beginning of the game that you would hard push lurkers; good, I agree with that.
Now it's time for you to do something else though. Cause the only person that did less scumhunting than you was yamato. The only thing you did was a case on rsoul paraphrasing all her posts, that didn't convince me. So you are an active lurker right now.
You could start be doing what you said you would when waking up:
On August 06 2015 18:56 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2015 18:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
iGrok can you comment on the actual cases in the thread?
Like i get your approach but there is no reason to actually discuss the inactives. Everyone knows what you are saying about inactives and active lurkers.
Care to take on onto what me/Rels have posted in the last couple of pages? As its 6am, I don't have the mental fortitude to go through other people's cases at the moment, but I'll do that tomorrow. Right now I'm just watching Dota 2 and checking the thread occasionally. Unfortunately, some people still don't seem to understand what active lurkers are (Ruxxar, I'm looking at you). You and Rels have been talking about things but, as I said, I'm not super mentally sharp right now, so I'll go over it tomorrow. I think I said something about EAP earlier today, and also, iirc Shining hadn't even posted before I left for dinner? Could be wrong on that. The point is, tomorrow I'll go through and reassess everyone to figure out who the lurkeriest lurker is.
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rsoul how sure are you on your ruxxar townread ?
And is it 100% based on meta ?
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On August 06 2015 23:11 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2015 23:08 Rels wrote:
rsoul how sure are you on your ruxxar townread ?
And is it 100% based on meta ? sure enough i'll actively try to obstruct a d1 lynch on him? it's...god how do i even begin to explain these things >< people here will call it meta. i usually call it tone in reality it's a hybrid of meta/tone and actually speaks to what i know of his personality and what mindset/thoughts i believe are natural for him. scum usually has a very hard time replicating the thought process they'd have as town this is the same way that i'm reading damdy, btw, but my track record on damdy is very, very good. i'm most confident of my damdy read as a result
OK that makes 100% sense.
Asking because that post is just wrong:
On August 06 2015 23:03 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2015 22:50 iGrok wrote:On August 06 2015 22:43 Rels wrote:On August 06 2015 22:41 iGrok wrote:
@Rels, Yes, I'm totally trying to separate the town and get people to fight by saying there are two different mindsets at work and we need to improve communication /SARCASM OK. Explain what is the communication problem between rayn & the rest of town 'cause I don't see it. Sure, one group understands what active lurking is and the other doesn't. One group realizes that LAL is a great policy to start D1, and the other thinks it isn't. The circles aren't Town/Mafia or anything like that - I'll welcome anyone in. I'm including Yamato because I've played with him for a long time and I know he'll get it. If he doesn't, ezpz scumread, but he's better than that. Problem I have with your strategy is that lurking is a nebulous term for people of low post activity. Maybe you define lurker differently from me, but lynching people with post count as the only metric without looking at the content if their posts is stupid.
1 - it's clear that by "lurker" igrok means "no content people"
2 - whatever the definition is, ruxxar said he was OK lynching lurker and suddendly he's not anymore
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On August 06 2015 23:13 iGrok wrote:
@rels:
Couldn't sleep, sunburn's a bitch. Pushing through thanks to caffeine. I'm taking care of business (replying to people) first. You do realize I said that 4 hours ago, right?
Sorry about your pain. But realize that 95% of the things you did was not scumhunting: you put a policy in place, you coached a little bit, you asked questions. So for now I think you're suspicious, you still have time to do other things, I'll re-evaluate when you do.
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On August 06 2015 23:23 Damdred wrote:
Rels I answered your shining question please don't ignore it.
If you're talking about this:
On August 06 2015 23:08 Damdred wrote:
Everyone will hate my shining read but it is right. It all deals with the emotional responses he shows and the tone in which he responds in the thread plus how he does his posts a bit.
For example his first real post is horrid even for shining, and it made me want to scum read him. But his other posts that are somewhat catch up posts with reads and a response to me make me go yep this is town shining.
This is really vague but shining can't really be read content wise early even if he says smart things he's always going to sound super robotic in his posts instead of more free. He can't change his scum tone shrig
I asked what you thought about rayn's case. It was rayn who asked why Shining was town.
But OK, I think you're town so your Shining townread holds weight for me. I can't evaluate it though 'cause it's based on personnal feelings. If you feel there are better lynches today that will influence me.
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Yeah I disagree on rsoul not doing stuff. I liked the way she defended ruxxar against rayn's first case which was flawed.
Other than that, I agree 100% on pressuring lurkers (and in all games btw, not especially this one). What I (and others) are saying is that if you only do that for the whole day, you could be a scum trying to appear active when actually he's just pushing a policy.
TLDR I suscribe to your policy of lynching lurker. You will be considered lurker if all you do is pushing LAL policy.
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On August 06 2015 23:32 Damdred wrote:
I don't think rayns case makes shining scum rels and he's wrong. You must ask yourself how good am I at finding town reads on people
So you're saying that knowing Shining's meta, it's normal that:
- he said he was going to reread the game to check FF weird behaviour
- in his post after reread he doesn't mention FF
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On August 06 2015 23:40 Damdred wrote:
Totally normal honestly
OK. Of course I can only believe you, but as I think you're town it's good.
Plus, if Shining is town and this is false, that means you're mafia and he will say it.
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On August 06 2015 23:47 Damdred wrote:
Shining will probably come in and say I'm scum anyway cause he can't read me ^^.
Anyway lets say shining flips town and Edgar wasn't in game who then rels
ruxxar
Then AFK people:
yamato
scott
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On August 06 2015 07:53 CopCake wrote:
Sorry Kelsier, I don't work that way so don't try to make me a captain obvious :p because I know how to play this shit
So you don't work that way:
On August 06 2015 07:52 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2015 07:51 CopCake wrote:
Oh fuck I believed I had already posted when I went to look which page this game starts.
Sup everyone
Tell me why you are forever towns and I will tell you if I disagree or not. or you can read the game and give your reads that is like...the game
How do you work then ? You ask people why they are town then not care nobody has replied ?
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On August 07 2015 00:18 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2015 23:55 rsoultin wrote:
lol yes
hey damdy, i think we got the wrong role pm at the start :/ join me in our qt
or we could just talk about nks here
so ruxx, what do you think about...hmmm
rayn? rayn's always a good nk! \o/
cause it's totes brilliant to hard-align early as a scum team
#epicplayz Mmmmm: rayn is his name, Scum hunting is his game, Misguided town he will be For pushing me, While mafia laughs at his back Kek
LOL =D pretty good
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On August 07 2015 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels Cake is not mafia either.
Let her answer the question then.
I agree 100% about letting igrok do his stuff and re evaluate later. Actually if you read my recent posts that is exactly what I said. p:
So let's do the same with CopCake, let her do her thing and answer the question.
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@Shining when you come back:
I would like to have your read on iGrok.
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