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On July 22 2015 09:36 Half the Sky wrote:Updated with poll 
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It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with.
After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both.
bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me.
scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly
On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far.
considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum?
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On July 25 2015 08:06 scott31337 wrote:1/75 Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? ##Give 5 posts to KelsierSCIf I actually go thru 80 posts in a cycle I would impress myself to be honest. I know there's three scum - I haven't liked VT claims since my second game, and neither should you - It's not as bad as LS claiming when the breeze blows by is what I was stating. GB didn't reply that he was my friend, just that he is town - I'm town too but not the response I wanted.  Palmar speaking the truth, he's probably my favorite player next to HF. Rsoul already seems different this game - could be a good sign.
So just to get this straight, you thought the scummy thing about my post was that I claimed vt?
what does this have to do with LS claiming ?
how is Rsoul "different"?
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On July 25 2015 08:49 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 08:23 KelsierSC wrote:On July 25 2015 08:06 scott31337 wrote:1/75 On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? ##Give 5 posts to KelsierSCIf I actually go thru 80 posts in a cycle I would impress myself to be honest. I know there's three scum - I haven't liked VT claims since my second game, and neither should you - It's not as bad as LS claiming when the breeze blows by is what I was stating. GB didn't reply that he was my friend, just that he is town - I'm town too but not the response I wanted. Palmar speaking the truth, he's probably my favorite player next to HF. Rsoul already seems different this game - could be a good sign. So just to get this straight, you thought the scummy thing about my post was that I claimed vt? what does this have to do with LS claiming ? how is Rsoul "different"? Yes. What else did you do in that post? I do not see anything else... The LS thing - It's a bad claim - just like what other people do and have not learned their lesson. Does that make sense to you? Rsoul seems happier and called people out quickly unlike her last two scum games. It's only one post, but... Palmar is one of my favorites as town - blunt, to the point - but if he needs to pull out the stops (the game rayn bussed everybody and Palmar kicked it up d4 to get the win) he will. I'll be back in a couple hours. (and I can't count my posts for shit either, 1/75 when I posted already doh!)
no not really, you are equating someone saying they are vt in the first post with someone claiming or fake claiming blue deep into D1.
rsoultin jokingly said rayn was mafia...this is her "calling people out quickly" and you are already leaning town on her?
i dont know what this palmar thing is, you think he's town aswell?
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On July 25 2015 16:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Last thought before bed:
I want to know why scott gave ksc posts + what his read on ksc is now.
He had this whole bit on not liking ksc's entrance, ksc came back with "you can't find me scummy if you don't find anyone else scummy" (which makes no sense at all) and then scott immediately left him alone and gave him posts.
Made no sense at all.
what is with people using quote marks for things I never actually said.
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On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else
See the better question would be , do you have any reads yet? Because that might be something interesting, instead your question looks to misrepresent what has actually happened in the game.
unfortunately everyone is playing like shit so I have absolutely no one as town.
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On July 25 2015 19:42 Snickers wrote:
what has actually happened in this game?
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go back ... 4 pages
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On July 25 2015 19:50 Snickers wrote:
complains about shit play continues shit play
This isn't going to lead to anything productive so I think it's best to just end it here.
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On July 25 2015 19:57 Snickers wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? okay so lets start with this. One simple post. ur talking about wasting ur post which most people would find slightly scummy. your post has a complaining tone to it even though we are not even a 20 posts into the game. "two people" mention it but you think it is enough to get angry about. one of the two people you say has a silly post? so following your thought process one person is enough to make you angry and have to fill a post with weird stuff. Also one person making you mad when there is three scum.....
yes one person is enough to annoy me
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On July 26 2015 00:36 Snickers wrote:
i seriously think she doesnt even understand 10% of what i say
nobody does
I don't even understand why you think she is scum or why that makes me town,
My town reads
I think rayn is town, game was sort of dead and he sparked things back up, lots of people sitting afraid to post but he jumped back in, plus I think his points about obi are good and the hopeless push is a good place to start.
I think rso is town aswell. it's half a tone read and half of how she responded to clarity. This post made me think town.
On July 26 2015 00:07 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 00:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why are you making this so difficult. Do you like a hopeless lynch or not, and why? do something or go away i know you've read the few pages of game that are here. if you're really that curious, look. i don't think you are ^^ you keep trying to bully me onto things while doing nothing but playing cheerleader, you keep sinking further and further in the scummire
I got the same cheerleader vibes.
I'd lynch everyone else.
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On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Shut up
Lol I think palmar is town
I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia?
I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation.
I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him.
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On July 26 2015 03:03 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
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the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Shut up Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. If what Palmar is doing could be considered contribution, I wouldn't have a problem here. Like I said, he hasn't done anything of substance. What exactly has Palmar contributed? Also, why do you think Palmar is town? Do you agree with his reads?
well he is here reading the game and giving leans either way on quite a few players. your contribution so far has been to attack palmar for a small filter, and now he is here to attack him again. Like I said it didn't really make sense. From my perspective if I had someone as scum for being skimpy i'd give them more of a chance to post and maybe read some other players, not just tunnel the shit out of them. The way you acted, didn't feel correct.
@snickers - You called rsoul mafia for defending herself
On July 26 2015 01:59 Snickers wrote:
lol youve done so much scummy shit
On July 26 2015 02:00 Snickers wrote:
let me defend myself then say im not defending myself
let me bitch about people not doing anything and then proceed to do prty much nothing
and you seemed to have a problem when you thought I was doing it
On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else
On July 25 2015 19:41 Snickers wrote:
whoa u didnt fall for the trap of defending urself again.
the fact you even asked me to qualify that statement is suspicous. so tell me why does it make people scummy.
GB - because I read your posts and they felt stupid
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On July 26 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 03:13 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 03:03 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Shut up Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. If what Palmar is doing could be considered contribution, I wouldn't have a problem here. Like I said, he hasn't done anything of substance. What exactly has Palmar contributed? Also, why do you think Palmar is town? Do you agree with his reads? well he is here reading the game and giving leans either way on quite a few players. your contribution so far has been to attack palmar for a small filter, and now he is here to attack him again. Like I said it didn't really make sense. From my perspective if I had someone as scum for being skimpy i'd give them more of a chance to post and maybe read some other players, not just tunnel the shit out of them. The way you acted, didn't feel correct. @snickers - You called rsoul mafia for defending herself On July 26 2015 01:59 Snickers wrote:
lol youve done so much scummy shit On July 26 2015 02:00 Snickers wrote:
let me defend myself then say im not defending myself
let me bitch about people not doing anything and then proceed to do prty much nothing and you seemed to have a problem when you thought I was doing it On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else On July 25 2015 19:41 Snickers wrote:
whoa u didnt fall for the trap of defending urself again. the fact you even asked me to qualify that statement is suspicous. so tell me why does it make people scummy. GB - because I read your posts and they felt stupid Tell me what's stupid in them. Also, tell me why stupidity is a sign that I'm Mafia.
for you it's not
I'd still lynch you though
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simple reason why rsoul is angry? probably the same reason i appear "annoyed"
idiots and snickers. but i repeat myself
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Good Morning, i'm here catching up
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On July 26 2015 18:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why does he say his spreadsheet is shitty?
Why would anyone keep a shitty spreadsheet?
Also why does he say there are scummy voters on Hopeless? Who is scummy on Hopeless?
i am apparently not, so it has to be Clarity. I don't know how he ends up in Clarity being mafia when he is voting for the same person (Hopeless) and Clarity thinks Hopeless is mafia. It doesn't make any sense. It also doesn't make any sense he uses a plural on "voters", because it is impossible he thinks more than one person on Hopeless is mafia.
Unless he is lying about his read on me or his read on himself.
This is a really good post.
Snickers I think you're town and I love the energy you're bringing but Onegu is not the lynch today.
I'd lynch Scott or Tofu.
Scott is partly because of his early play which I questioned him on and I think rayn's point about his spreadsheet is good.
Tofu, his second "push" on palmar felt bad. his secondary scum also felt like he didn't really give a shit "rayn's been quiet"...yeh well it's a post restricted game but rayn had stepped up by that point. Then a throw away bf has a small filter.
I don't like obi either
People I think are town
rayn, rsol, snickers, onegu, palmar
there are others that I should try to work out; hopeless, clarity, obi, bf.
I want to read more from them. GB you can just say nothing and that would be fine.
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On July 26 2015 21:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Kelsier why is Hopeless not town then if my post is good?
It's basically his post.
Because outside of that associative read (scott is mafia therefore hopeless must be town) I can't get a read on hopeless either way.
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On July 26 2015 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 21:28 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 21:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Kelsier why is Hopeless not town then if my post is good?
It's basically his post. Because outside of that associative read (scott is mafia therefore hopeless must be town) I can't get a read on hopeless either way. It's not an associative read. You read me town from my point that is actually Hopelesswonder's point, yet you don't townread him.
I was reading you as town before you made that point on hopeless.
I saw the post from hopeless when I was catching up but I wasn't sure what point he was making, it is town points in his favour certainly.
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On July 26 2015 21:33 Snickers wrote:
like its prty obv tofu nor scott is mafia lol.
one person said i dont like this one setence about tofu and now there is a tofu train about to depart.
and scott is extremely towny. He seems like a new player and a new player isnt going to put out a list of reads and have it be all leans while they are mafia.
so instead of going with the flow of mafia pushing into tofu and scott lynch boxer or at least comment about my case on boxer that somehow people are ignoring.
that is a weak reason to town read scott, especially to call him "extremely towny".
I'd lynch either of these 4
Tofu, Scott, clarity, Obi
Clarity, it's this "hopeless post is forced" thing and then trying to make people vote him like he started the wagon , the "cheerleader" effect.
He's basically just left the vote on him and fucked off without any real explanation. He has the pregame excuse that he won't be here all day so nothing more can be gained from him.
Obi, I need to see some more before I decide, but having absolutely nothing from him except his misrep of me and then lots of pokey one liners is difficult.
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obi can you tell me why you think ft is the better lynch over scott? What changed your mind?
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On July 27 2015 03:46 GlowingBear wrote:.:Case on KelsierSC:. 1) Constantly whining about having to waste posts with bad things without actually using his remaining 50+ posts for anything else+ Show Spoiler +On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? On July 25 2015 19:39 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else See the better question would be , do you have any reads yet? Because that might be something interesting, instead your question looks to misrepresent what has actually happened in the game. unfortunately everyone is playing like shit so I have absolutely no one as town. On July 25 2015 20:10 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:57 Snickers wrote:On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? okay so lets start with this. One simple post. ur talking about wasting ur post which most people would find slightly scummy. your post has a complaining tone to it even though we are not even a 20 posts into the game. "two people" mention it but you think it is enough to get angry about. one of the two people you say has a silly post? so following your thought process one person is enough to make you angry and have to fill a post with weird stuff. Also one person making you mad when there is three scum..... yes one person is enough to annoy me If he is so worried about wasting posts with useless stuff, WHY DOES HE WASTE POSTS TO KEEP SAYING HE IS ANNOYED? "Yes, one person is enough to annoy me", really? Why is he so annoyed, man? "Everybody is playing like shit". No, nobody is playing like shit in this game. This game is pretty concise and to the point. His annoyance is unjustified, it's ridiculous. Looks like mafia trying to fake being emotional. 2) Deflecting any early suspicions brought on him + guilty conscienceShow nested quote +On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? THIS IS HIS SECOND POST IN THE GAME! This is an unnatural reaction to what scott posted. In town mindset, the reaction I would expect would be "then you're stupid because I'm town" and not "ok, you think I'm scum, am I the only one lol". It reveals mafia's guilty conscience. More than that, and more important, it is a deflection of early pressure. He sees someone calling him scum and softly tries to shift pressure to someone else. If you ask "am I the only one?" a common response would be "no, I didn't like X as well" and if they keep talking about X, the pressure is shifted. The same reaction can be seen here: + Show Spoiler +On July 25 2015 19:54 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:50 Snickers wrote:
complains about shit play continues shit play This isn't going to lead to anything productive so I think it's best to just end it here. It can be interpreted in both ways: town not wanting to shit the thread, or scum deflecting pressure. Since Kelsier already displayed the deflection behaviour, the second option is more likely. 3) Wanting to lynch me then backtracking when having no reasons to+ Show Spoiler +On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Shut up Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. On July 26 2015 03:13 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 03:03 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Shut up Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. If what Palmar is doing could be considered contribution, I wouldn't have a problem here. Like I said, he hasn't done anything of substance. What exactly has Palmar contributed? Also, why do you think Palmar is town? Do you agree with his reads? well he is here reading the game and giving leans either way on quite a few players. your contribution so far has been to attack palmar for a small filter, and now he is here to attack him again. Like I said it didn't really make sense. From my perspective if I had someone as scum for being skimpy i'd give them more of a chance to post and maybe read some other players, not just tunnel the shit out of them. The way you acted, didn't feel correct. @snickers - You called rsoul mafia for defending herself Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 02:00 Snickers wrote:
let me defend myself then say im not defending myself
let me bitch about people not doing anything and then proceed to do prty much nothing and you seemed to have a problem when you thought I was doing it Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:41 Snickers wrote:
whoa u didnt fall for the trap of defending urself again. the fact you even asked me to qualify that statement is suspicous. so tell me why does it make people scummy. GB - because I read your posts and they felt stupid On July 26 2015 03:18 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote:On July 26 2015 03:13 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 03:03 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Shut up Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. If what Palmar is doing could be considered contribution, I wouldn't have a problem here. Like I said, he hasn't done anything of substance. What exactly has Palmar contributed? Also, why do you think Palmar is town? Do you agree with his reads? well he is here reading the game and giving leans either way on quite a few players. your contribution so far has been to attack palmar for a small filter, and now he is here to attack him again. Like I said it didn't really make sense. From my perspective if I had someone as scum for being skimpy i'd give them more of a chance to post and maybe read some other players, not just tunnel the shit out of them. The way you acted, didn't feel correct. @snickers - You called rsoul mafia for defending herself On July 26 2015 01:59 Snickers wrote:
lol youve done so much scummy shit On July 26 2015 02:00 Snickers wrote:
let me defend myself then say im not defending myself
let me bitch about people not doing anything and then proceed to do prty much nothing and you seemed to have a problem when you thought I was doing it On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else On July 25 2015 19:41 Snickers wrote:
whoa u didnt fall for the trap of defending urself again. the fact you even asked me to qualify that statement is suspicous. so tell me why does it make people scummy. GB - because I read your posts and they felt stupid Tell me what's stupid in them. Also, tell me why stupidity is a sign that I'm Mafia. for you it's not I'd still lynch you though On July 26 2015 05:39 KelsierSC wrote:
simple reason why rsoul is angry? probably the same reason i appear "annoyed"
idiots and snickers. but i repeat myself On July 26 2015 21:14 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 18:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why does he say his spreadsheet is shitty?
Why would anyone keep a shitty spreadsheet?
Also why does he say there are scummy voters on Hopeless? Who is scummy on Hopeless?
i am apparently not, so it has to be Clarity. I don't know how he ends up in Clarity being mafia when he is voting for the same person (Hopeless) and Clarity thinks Hopeless is mafia. It doesn't make any sense. It also doesn't make any sense he uses a plural on "voters", because it is impossible he thinks more than one person on Hopeless is mafia.
Unless he is lying about his read on me or his read on himself. This is a really good post. Snickers I think you're town and I love the energy you're bringing but Onegu is not the lynch today. I'd lynch Scott or Tofu. Scott is partly because of his early play which I questioned him on and I think rayn's point about his spreadsheet is good. Tofu, his second "push" on palmar felt bad. his secondary scum also felt like he didn't really give a shit "rayn's been quiet"...yeh well it's a post restricted game but rayn had stepped up by that point. Then a throw away bf has a small filter. I don't like obi either People I think are town rayn, rsol, snickers, onegu, palmar there are others that I should try to work out; hopeless, clarity, obi, bf. I want to read more from them. GB you can just say nothing and that would be fine. The progression is this, for people that doesn't want to read the posts: Kelsier says he doesn't like me and he would lynch me happily. I ask him why he doesn't like me. He says everything I post looks stupid. I asked him what is stupid in them and why does that makes me mafia. He said it doesn't make me mafia but he would lynch me anyway, and that he is annoyed because idiots (like me) are annoying him, but never says what are the problems with my posts. He then comes to the thread and says he wants to lynch "hopeless, clarity, obi and bf", not wanting to lynch me. It's simple: he said he didn't like me hoping to have me as an option for mislynch. When I confront it, he says I look stupid but he forgets it's something he doesn't believe is alignment indicative for me. Then he says he would lynch me anyway implying that I annoy him. Well, I wasn't raising suspicions on him since that time. Now I've being pressuring him for the rest of day1 and he doesn't want to lynch me anymore LOL. He is not annoyed with it. What I mean with this is: his actions does not follows his discourse, which is mostly a scum trait. Add to this the fact that he answers almost NOTHING of my posts directed to him. He just deflects them, adding to point (2) of this case.4) HE IS VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTTHE IS FUCKING VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT. SCOTT WAS THE FIRST GUY TO ANNOY HIM (AND KELSIER WOULD LYNCH PEOPLE DOING THAT)! Why he doesn't prefer a scott lynch? Hell, a lot of people thinks he is mafia! Instead of going against the guy that certainly looked as mafia for him, he is going against questionmark!Tofu. More than that, he wasn't advocating for a lynch on Scott, but opened a range of possible lynches he would go against (tofu, scott, obi, clarity). IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, PEOPLE! COME ON!!! + Show Spoiler [WIFOM] + Points on Kelsier were brought many times and no one quickly jumped on it, not even Scott, who was suspicions on Kelsier in the first place. The quick and unreasonable town reads Kelsier got points out that scum didn't want him as a possible mislynch. I am POSITIVE Kelsier is mafia. Vote him with me. ##Vote: KelsierSC
1. I didn't "constantly whine about wasting posts" I made one comment because it was a stupid point and boxerfred couldn't look up a game from last week. At the time I posted "everyone was playing shit" I didn't have one single person as town because people kept posting stupid things.
2. I thought scott had posted scummy things, I quoted something he posted that didn't make sense. I'm giving scum leans
snickers posting wasn't productive so I ended that whole argument
3. You are an idiot, that is why I would lynch you, it doesn't matter your alignment. If you are mafia I would happily lynch you. If you are town, you are a complete imbecile who will spout nonsense and actively harm town, for example , making terrible cases against people who are town. so I would happily lynch you.
4. I would lynch tofu or scott, at the time I was in the thread I thought tofu was the better lynch and voted him.
you can sit down and be quiet now.
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On July 27 2015 04:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 04:17 KelsierSC wrote:
obi can you tell me why you think ft is the better lynch over scott? What changed your mind? I said I wanted to lynch both of them.
I know, it was just scott was scum and ft was a "probably" so just curious why you voted that way.
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On July 27 2015 04:29 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 04:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There are things that make people town or mafia.
Palmar did things that make him mafia to FT. Then he did some other things.
Those other things should either make him a townread, not null (like idk, he seems to be saying here, unless he is saying Palmar is still scummy).
Based on what FT said about Palmar earlier i don't believe he actually thinks Palmar did townie things (since he was pretty much just clarifying his reads and/or saying new stuff which changed nothing), or if he does, it should make him think Palmar is town, because he is now doing things against FT's original case.
I am bad at explaining shit, he is mafia. Palmar played like mafia for the first half of the day, now he's playing like town, so he's a null read. The fact that he is playing more like a townie now does not vindicate him for his bad play earlier in the game. I'm not sure why this is so hard for him to understand. On GB's case. His first point seems like GB is just ranting on Kelsier's personality. I don't think point 1 proves anything. I really like point 2. This is actually why I think hopeless is town. When hopeless said something to the effect of "you're scum because you called me scum" to scott, he was behaving like a townie. He's shocked that anyone could call him scum so he immediately pounces on scott for accusing him. Kelsier is doing the opposite. My scum sirens are blaring already. On point 3, I think this just makes GB look super town. It's basically a "hopeless" post. Kelsier is scum because he he thinks I'm scum. It says more about GB than it does Kelsier. On point 4, I think he's just getting really emotional at this point and really wants Kel dead. Makes me think GB is town but doesn't tell me much about Kel. Overall, point two is powerful. I like it. I'll lynch kel. ##unvote##vote:KelsierSC
4 points, 3 of them say nothing about me and point 2 is actually a shit point.
oh wait you're mafia, doesn't matter what you think
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On July 27 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 04:29 KelsierSC wrote:On July 27 2015 03:46 GlowingBear wrote:.:Case on KelsierSC:. 1) Constantly whining about having to waste posts with bad things without actually using his remaining 50+ posts for anything else+ Show Spoiler +On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? On July 25 2015 19:39 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else See the better question would be , do you have any reads yet? Because that might be something interesting, instead your question looks to misrepresent what has actually happened in the game. unfortunately everyone is playing like shit so I have absolutely no one as town. On July 25 2015 20:10 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:57 Snickers wrote:On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? okay so lets start with this. One simple post. ur talking about wasting ur post which most people would find slightly scummy. your post has a complaining tone to it even though we are not even a 20 posts into the game. "two people" mention it but you think it is enough to get angry about. one of the two people you say has a silly post? so following your thought process one person is enough to make you angry and have to fill a post with weird stuff. Also one person making you mad when there is three scum..... yes one person is enough to annoy me If he is so worried about wasting posts with useless stuff, WHY DOES HE WASTE POSTS TO KEEP SAYING HE IS ANNOYED? "Yes, one person is enough to annoy me", really? Why is he so annoyed, man? "Everybody is playing like shit". No, nobody is playing like shit in this game. This game is pretty concise and to the point. His annoyance is unjustified, it's ridiculous. Looks like mafia trying to fake being emotional. 2) Deflecting any early suspicions brought on him + guilty conscienceOn July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? THIS IS HIS SECOND POST IN THE GAME! This is an unnatural reaction to what scott posted. In town mindset, the reaction I would expect would be "then you're stupid because I'm town" and not "ok, you think I'm scum, am I the only one lol". It reveals mafia's guilty conscience. More than that, and more important, it is a deflection of early pressure. He sees someone calling him scum and softly tries to shift pressure to someone else. If you ask "am I the only one?" a common response would be "no, I didn't like X as well" and if they keep talking about X, the pressure is shifted. The same reaction can be seen here: + Show Spoiler +On July 25 2015 19:54 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:50 Snickers wrote:
complains about shit play continues shit play This isn't going to lead to anything productive so I think it's best to just end it here. It can be interpreted in both ways: town not wanting to shit the thread, or scum deflecting pressure. Since Kelsier already displayed the deflection behaviour, the second option is more likely. 3) Wanting to lynch me then backtracking when having no reasons to+ Show Spoiler +On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Shut up Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. On July 26 2015 03:13 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 03:03 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Shut up Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. If what Palmar is doing could be considered contribution, I wouldn't have a problem here. Like I said, he hasn't done anything of substance. What exactly has Palmar contributed? Also, why do you think Palmar is town? Do you agree with his reads? well he is here reading the game and giving leans either way on quite a few players. your contribution so far has been to attack palmar for a small filter, and now he is here to attack him again. Like I said it didn't really make sense. From my perspective if I had someone as scum for being skimpy i'd give them more of a chance to post and maybe read some other players, not just tunnel the shit out of them. The way you acted, didn't feel correct. @snickers - You called rsoul mafia for defending herself Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 02:00 Snickers wrote:
let me defend myself then say im not defending myself
let me bitch about people not doing anything and then proceed to do prty much nothing and you seemed to have a problem when you thought I was doing it Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:41 Snickers wrote:
whoa u didnt fall for the trap of defending urself again. the fact you even asked me to qualify that statement is suspicous. so tell me why does it make people scummy. GB - because I read your posts and they felt stupid On July 26 2015 03:18 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote:On July 26 2015 03:13 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 03:03 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Shut up Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. If what Palmar is doing could be considered contribution, I wouldn't have a problem here. Like I said, he hasn't done anything of substance. What exactly has Palmar contributed? Also, why do you think Palmar is town? Do you agree with his reads? well he is here reading the game and giving leans either way on quite a few players. your contribution so far has been to attack palmar for a small filter, and now he is here to attack him again. Like I said it didn't really make sense. From my perspective if I had someone as scum for being skimpy i'd give them more of a chance to post and maybe read some other players, not just tunnel the shit out of them. The way you acted, didn't feel correct. @snickers - You called rsoul mafia for defending herself On July 26 2015 01:59 Snickers wrote:
lol youve done so much scummy shit On July 26 2015 02:00 Snickers wrote:
let me defend myself then say im not defending myself
let me bitch about people not doing anything and then proceed to do prty much nothing and you seemed to have a problem when you thought I was doing it On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else On July 25 2015 19:41 Snickers wrote:
whoa u didnt fall for the trap of defending urself again. the fact you even asked me to qualify that statement is suspicous. so tell me why does it make people scummy. GB - because I read your posts and they felt stupid Tell me what's stupid in them. Also, tell me why stupidity is a sign that I'm Mafia. for you it's not I'd still lynch you though On July 26 2015 05:39 KelsierSC wrote:
simple reason why rsoul is angry? probably the same reason i appear "annoyed"
idiots and snickers. but i repeat myself On July 26 2015 21:14 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 18:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why does he say his spreadsheet is shitty?
Why would anyone keep a shitty spreadsheet?
Also why does he say there are scummy voters on Hopeless? Who is scummy on Hopeless?
i am apparently not, so it has to be Clarity. I don't know how he ends up in Clarity being mafia when he is voting for the same person (Hopeless) and Clarity thinks Hopeless is mafia. It doesn't make any sense. It also doesn't make any sense he uses a plural on "voters", because it is impossible he thinks more than one person on Hopeless is mafia.
Unless he is lying about his read on me or his read on himself. This is a really good post. Snickers I think you're town and I love the energy you're bringing but Onegu is not the lynch today. I'd lynch Scott or Tofu. Scott is partly because of his early play which I questioned him on and I think rayn's point about his spreadsheet is good. Tofu, his second "push" on palmar felt bad. his secondary scum also felt like he didn't really give a shit "rayn's been quiet"...yeh well it's a post restricted game but rayn had stepped up by that point. Then a throw away bf has a small filter. I don't like obi either People I think are town rayn, rsol, snickers, onegu, palmar there are others that I should try to work out; hopeless, clarity, obi, bf. I want to read more from them. GB you can just say nothing and that would be fine. The progression is this, for people that doesn't want to read the posts: Kelsier says he doesn't like me and he would lynch me happily. I ask him why he doesn't like me. He says everything I post looks stupid. I asked him what is stupid in them and why does that makes me mafia. He said it doesn't make me mafia but he would lynch me anyway, and that he is annoyed because idiots (like me) are annoying him, but never says what are the problems with my posts. He then comes to the thread and says he wants to lynch "hopeless, clarity, obi and bf", not wanting to lynch me. It's simple: he said he didn't like me hoping to have me as an option for mislynch. When I confront it, he says I look stupid but he forgets it's something he doesn't believe is alignment indicative for me. Then he says he would lynch me anyway implying that I annoy him. Well, I wasn't raising suspicions on him since that time. Now I've being pressuring him for the rest of day1 and he doesn't want to lynch me anymore LOL. He is not annoyed with it. What I mean with this is: his actions does not follows his discourse, which is mostly a scum trait. Add to this the fact that he answers almost NOTHING of my posts directed to him. He just deflects them, adding to point (2) of this case.4) HE IS VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTTHE IS FUCKING VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT. SCOTT WAS THE FIRST GUY TO ANNOY HIM (AND KELSIER WOULD LYNCH PEOPLE DOING THAT)! Why he doesn't prefer a scott lynch? Hell, a lot of people thinks he is mafia! Instead of going against the guy that certainly looked as mafia for him, he is going against questionmark!Tofu. More than that, he wasn't advocating for a lynch on Scott, but opened a range of possible lynches he would go against (tofu, scott, obi, clarity). IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, PEOPLE! COME ON!!! + Show Spoiler [WIFOM] + Points on Kelsier were brought many times and no one quickly jumped on it, not even Scott, who was suspicions on Kelsier in the first place. The quick and unreasonable town reads Kelsier got points out that scum didn't want him as a possible mislynch. I am POSITIVE Kelsier is mafia. Vote him with me. ##Vote: KelsierSC 1. I didn't "constantly whine about wasting posts" I made one comment because it was a stupid point and boxerfred couldn't look up a game from last week. At the time I posted "everyone was playing shit" I didn't have one single person as town because people kept posting stupid things. 2. I thought scott had posted scummy things, I quoted something he posted that didn't make sense. I'm giving scum leans snickers posting wasn't productive so I ended that whole argument 3. You are an idiot, that is why I would lynch you, it doesn't matter your alignment. If you are mafia I would happily lynch you. If you are town, you are a complete imbecile who will spout nonsense and actively harm town, for example , making terrible cases against people who are town. so I would happily lynch you. 4. I would lynch tofu or scott, at the time I was in the thread I thought tofu was the better lynch and voted him. you can sit down and be quiet now. Then do work and lynch me. Lynch the imbecile. You fail to point out ONE STUPID ARGUMENT I've brought. And no, I'm not falling for the shit fight invite, I'm sorry. Even if you're town here, you're not worth it.
I don't care about lynching you today because I have scum reads. Just assume that everything you post and will ever post in any future game is stupid. Safe bet
You are just disrupting town with terrible cases as usual. So be quiet
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On July 27 2015 04:39 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 04:36 KelsierSC wrote:On July 27 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2015 04:29 KelsierSC wrote:On July 27 2015 03:46 GlowingBear wrote:.:Case on KelsierSC:. 1) Constantly whining about having to waste posts with bad things without actually using his remaining 50+ posts for anything else+ Show Spoiler +On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? On July 25 2015 19:39 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else See the better question would be , do you have any reads yet? Because that might be something interesting, instead your question looks to misrepresent what has actually happened in the game. unfortunately everyone is playing like shit so I have absolutely no one as town. On July 25 2015 20:10 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:57 Snickers wrote:On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? okay so lets start with this. One simple post. ur talking about wasting ur post which most people would find slightly scummy. your post has a complaining tone to it even though we are not even a 20 posts into the game. "two people" mention it but you think it is enough to get angry about. one of the two people you say has a silly post? so following your thought process one person is enough to make you angry and have to fill a post with weird stuff. Also one person making you mad when there is three scum..... yes one person is enough to annoy me If he is so worried about wasting posts with useless stuff, WHY DOES HE WASTE POSTS TO KEEP SAYING HE IS ANNOYED? "Yes, one person is enough to annoy me", really? Why is he so annoyed, man? "Everybody is playing like shit". No, nobody is playing like shit in this game. This game is pretty concise and to the point. His annoyance is unjustified, it's ridiculous. Looks like mafia trying to fake being emotional. 2) Deflecting any early suspicions brought on him + guilty conscienceOn July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? THIS IS HIS SECOND POST IN THE GAME! This is an unnatural reaction to what scott posted. In town mindset, the reaction I would expect would be "then you're stupid because I'm town" and not "ok, you think I'm scum, am I the only one lol". It reveals mafia's guilty conscience. More than that, and more important, it is a deflection of early pressure. He sees someone calling him scum and softly tries to shift pressure to someone else. If you ask "am I the only one?" a common response would be "no, I didn't like X as well" and if they keep talking about X, the pressure is shifted. The same reaction can be seen here: + Show Spoiler +On July 25 2015 19:54 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:50 Snickers wrote:
complains about shit play continues shit play This isn't going to lead to anything productive so I think it's best to just end it here. It can be interpreted in both ways: town not wanting to shit the thread, or scum deflecting pressure. Since Kelsier already displayed the deflection behaviour, the second option is more likely. 3) Wanting to lynch me then backtracking when having no reasons to+ Show Spoiler +On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Shut up Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. On July 26 2015 03:13 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 03:03 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Shut up Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. If what Palmar is doing could be considered contribution, I wouldn't have a problem here. Like I said, he hasn't done anything of substance. What exactly has Palmar contributed? Also, why do you think Palmar is town? Do you agree with his reads? well he is here reading the game and giving leans either way on quite a few players. your contribution so far has been to attack palmar for a small filter, and now he is here to attack him again. Like I said it didn't really make sense. From my perspective if I had someone as scum for being skimpy i'd give them more of a chance to post and maybe read some other players, not just tunnel the shit out of them. The way you acted, didn't feel correct. @snickers - You called rsoul mafia for defending herself Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 02:00 Snickers wrote:
let me defend myself then say im not defending myself
let me bitch about people not doing anything and then proceed to do prty much nothing and you seemed to have a problem when you thought I was doing it Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:41 Snickers wrote:
whoa u didnt fall for the trap of defending urself again. the fact you even asked me to qualify that statement is suspicous. so tell me why does it make people scummy. GB - because I read your posts and they felt stupid On July 26 2015 03:18 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote:On July 26 2015 03:13 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 03:03 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Shut up Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. If what Palmar is doing could be considered contribution, I wouldn't have a problem here. Like I said, he hasn't done anything of substance. What exactly has Palmar contributed? Also, why do you think Palmar is town? Do you agree with his reads? well he is here reading the game and giving leans either way on quite a few players. your contribution so far has been to attack palmar for a small filter, and now he is here to attack him again. Like I said it didn't really make sense. From my perspective if I had someone as scum for being skimpy i'd give them more of a chance to post and maybe read some other players, not just tunnel the shit out of them. The way you acted, didn't feel correct. @snickers - You called rsoul mafia for defending herself On July 26 2015 01:59 Snickers wrote:
lol youve done so much scummy shit On July 26 2015 02:00 Snickers wrote:
let me defend myself then say im not defending myself
let me bitch about people not doing anything and then proceed to do prty much nothing and you seemed to have a problem when you thought I was doing it On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else On July 25 2015 19:41 Snickers wrote:
whoa u didnt fall for the trap of defending urself again. the fact you even asked me to qualify that statement is suspicous. so tell me why does it make people scummy. GB - because I read your posts and they felt stupid Tell me what's stupid in them. Also, tell me why stupidity is a sign that I'm Mafia. for you it's not I'd still lynch you though On July 26 2015 05:39 KelsierSC wrote:
simple reason why rsoul is angry? probably the same reason i appear "annoyed"
idiots and snickers. but i repeat myself On July 26 2015 21:14 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 18:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why does he say his spreadsheet is shitty?
Why would anyone keep a shitty spreadsheet?
Also why does he say there are scummy voters on Hopeless? Who is scummy on Hopeless?
i am apparently not, so it has to be Clarity. I don't know how he ends up in Clarity being mafia when he is voting for the same person (Hopeless) and Clarity thinks Hopeless is mafia. It doesn't make any sense. It also doesn't make any sense he uses a plural on "voters", because it is impossible he thinks more than one person on Hopeless is mafia.
Unless he is lying about his read on me or his read on himself. This is a really good post. Snickers I think you're town and I love the energy you're bringing but Onegu is not the lynch today. I'd lynch Scott or Tofu. Scott is partly because of his early play which I questioned him on and I think rayn's point about his spreadsheet is good. Tofu, his second "push" on palmar felt bad. his secondary scum also felt like he didn't really give a shit "rayn's been quiet"...yeh well it's a post restricted game but rayn had stepped up by that point. Then a throw away bf has a small filter. I don't like obi either People I think are town rayn, rsol, snickers, onegu, palmar there are others that I should try to work out; hopeless, clarity, obi, bf. I want to read more from them. GB you can just say nothing and that would be fine. The progression is this, for people that doesn't want to read the posts: Kelsier says he doesn't like me and he would lynch me happily. I ask him why he doesn't like me. He says everything I post looks stupid. I asked him what is stupid in them and why does that makes me mafia. He said it doesn't make me mafia but he would lynch me anyway, and that he is annoyed because idiots (like me) are annoying him, but never says what are the problems with my posts. He then comes to the thread and says he wants to lynch "hopeless, clarity, obi and bf", not wanting to lynch me. It's simple: he said he didn't like me hoping to have me as an option for mislynch. When I confront it, he says I look stupid but he forgets it's something he doesn't believe is alignment indicative for me. Then he says he would lynch me anyway implying that I annoy him. Well, I wasn't raising suspicions on him since that time. Now I've being pressuring him for the rest of day1 and he doesn't want to lynch me anymore LOL. He is not annoyed with it. What I mean with this is: his actions does not follows his discourse, which is mostly a scum trait. Add to this the fact that he answers almost NOTHING of my posts directed to him. He just deflects them, adding to point (2) of this case.4) HE IS VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTTHE IS FUCKING VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT. SCOTT WAS THE FIRST GUY TO ANNOY HIM (AND KELSIER WOULD LYNCH PEOPLE DOING THAT)! Why he doesn't prefer a scott lynch? Hell, a lot of people thinks he is mafia! Instead of going against the guy that certainly looked as mafia for him, he is going against questionmark!Tofu. More than that, he wasn't advocating for a lynch on Scott, but opened a range of possible lynches he would go against (tofu, scott, obi, clarity). IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, PEOPLE! COME ON!!! + Show Spoiler [WIFOM] + Points on Kelsier were brought many times and no one quickly jumped on it, not even Scott, who was suspicions on Kelsier in the first place. The quick and unreasonable town reads Kelsier got points out that scum didn't want him as a possible mislynch. I am POSITIVE Kelsier is mafia. Vote him with me. ##Vote: KelsierSC 1. I didn't "constantly whine about wasting posts" I made one comment because it was a stupid point and boxerfred couldn't look up a game from last week. At the time I posted "everyone was playing shit" I didn't have one single person as town because people kept posting stupid things. 2. I thought scott had posted scummy things, I quoted something he posted that didn't make sense. I'm giving scum leans snickers posting wasn't productive so I ended that whole argument 3. You are an idiot, that is why I would lynch you, it doesn't matter your alignment. If you are mafia I would happily lynch you. If you are town, you are a complete imbecile who will spout nonsense and actively harm town, for example , making terrible cases against people who are town. so I would happily lynch you. 4. I would lynch tofu or scott, at the time I was in the thread I thought tofu was the better lynch and voted him. you can sit down and be quiet now. Then do work and lynch me. Lynch the imbecile. You fail to point out ONE STUPID ARGUMENT I've brought. And no, I'm not falling for the shit fight invite, I'm sorry. Even if you're town here, you're not worth it. I don't care about lynching you today because I have scum reads. Just assume that everything you post and will ever post in any future game is stupid. Safe bet You are just disrupting town with terrible cases as usual. So be quiet So, another excuse to deflect pushes on you We are agreed then. You ignore me and I'll advocate your lynch until the end of the game.
I answered your "push" with a bullet to the head
But go ahead and waste more of town's time.
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I thought scott was scummy, I posted a quote of his that was scummy.
Yes superb evidence, it really makes me look "terrible"
can we lynch tofu already.
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On July 27 2015 04:44 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 04:40 KelsierSC wrote:On July 27 2015 04:39 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2015 04:36 KelsierSC wrote:On July 27 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2015 04:29 KelsierSC wrote:On July 27 2015 03:46 GlowingBear wrote:.:Case on KelsierSC:. 1) Constantly whining about having to waste posts with bad things without actually using his remaining 50+ posts for anything else+ Show Spoiler +On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? On July 25 2015 19:39 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else See the better question would be , do you have any reads yet? Because that might be something interesting, instead your question looks to misrepresent what has actually happened in the game. unfortunately everyone is playing like shit so I have absolutely no one as town. On July 25 2015 20:10 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:57 Snickers wrote:On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? okay so lets start with this. One simple post. ur talking about wasting ur post which most people would find slightly scummy. your post has a complaining tone to it even though we are not even a 20 posts into the game. "two people" mention it but you think it is enough to get angry about. one of the two people you say has a silly post? so following your thought process one person is enough to make you angry and have to fill a post with weird stuff. Also one person making you mad when there is three scum..... yes one person is enough to annoy me If he is so worried about wasting posts with useless stuff, WHY DOES HE WASTE POSTS TO KEEP SAYING HE IS ANNOYED? "Yes, one person is enough to annoy me", really? Why is he so annoyed, man? "Everybody is playing like shit". No, nobody is playing like shit in this game. This game is pretty concise and to the point. His annoyance is unjustified, it's ridiculous. Looks like mafia trying to fake being emotional. 2) Deflecting any early suspicions brought on him + guilty conscienceOn July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? THIS IS HIS SECOND POST IN THE GAME! This is an unnatural reaction to what scott posted. In town mindset, the reaction I would expect would be "then you're stupid because I'm town" and not "ok, you think I'm scum, am I the only one lol". It reveals mafia's guilty conscience. More than that, and more important, it is a deflection of early pressure. He sees someone calling him scum and softly tries to shift pressure to someone else. If you ask "am I the only one?" a common response would be "no, I didn't like X as well" and if they keep talking about X, the pressure is shifted. The same reaction can be seen here: + Show Spoiler +On July 25 2015 19:54 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:50 Snickers wrote:
complains about shit play continues shit play This isn't going to lead to anything productive so I think it's best to just end it here. It can be interpreted in both ways: town not wanting to shit the thread, or scum deflecting pressure. Since Kelsier already displayed the deflection behaviour, the second option is more likely. 3) Wanting to lynch me then backtracking when having no reasons to+ Show Spoiler +On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Shut up Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. On July 26 2015 03:13 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 03:03 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Shut up Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. If what Palmar is doing could be considered contribution, I wouldn't have a problem here. Like I said, he hasn't done anything of substance. What exactly has Palmar contributed? Also, why do you think Palmar is town? Do you agree with his reads? well he is here reading the game and giving leans either way on quite a few players. your contribution so far has been to attack palmar for a small filter, and now he is here to attack him again. Like I said it didn't really make sense. From my perspective if I had someone as scum for being skimpy i'd give them more of a chance to post and maybe read some other players, not just tunnel the shit out of them. The way you acted, didn't feel correct. @snickers - You called rsoul mafia for defending herself Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 02:00 Snickers wrote:
let me defend myself then say im not defending myself
let me bitch about people not doing anything and then proceed to do prty much nothing and you seemed to have a problem when you thought I was doing it Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:41 Snickers wrote:
whoa u didnt fall for the trap of defending urself again. the fact you even asked me to qualify that statement is suspicous. so tell me why does it make people scummy. GB - because I read your posts and they felt stupid On July 26 2015 03:18 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote:On July 26 2015 03:13 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 03:03 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Shut up Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. If what Palmar is doing could be considered contribution, I wouldn't have a problem here. Like I said, he hasn't done anything of substance. What exactly has Palmar contributed? Also, why do you think Palmar is town? Do you agree with his reads? well he is here reading the game and giving leans either way on quite a few players. your contribution so far has been to attack palmar for a small filter, and now he is here to attack him again. Like I said it didn't really make sense. From my perspective if I had someone as scum for being skimpy i'd give them more of a chance to post and maybe read some other players, not just tunnel the shit out of them. The way you acted, didn't feel correct. @snickers - You called rsoul mafia for defending herself On July 26 2015 01:59 Snickers wrote:
lol youve done so much scummy shit On July 26 2015 02:00 Snickers wrote:
let me defend myself then say im not defending myself
let me bitch about people not doing anything and then proceed to do prty much nothing and you seemed to have a problem when you thought I was doing it On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else On July 25 2015 19:41 Snickers wrote:
whoa u didnt fall for the trap of defending urself again. the fact you even asked me to qualify that statement is suspicous. so tell me why does it make people scummy. GB - because I read your posts and they felt stupid Tell me what's stupid in them. Also, tell me why stupidity is a sign that I'm Mafia. for you it's not I'd still lynch you though On July 26 2015 05:39 KelsierSC wrote:
simple reason why rsoul is angry? probably the same reason i appear "annoyed"
idiots and snickers. but i repeat myself On July 26 2015 21:14 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 18:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why does he say his spreadsheet is shitty?
Why would anyone keep a shitty spreadsheet?
Also why does he say there are scummy voters on Hopeless? Who is scummy on Hopeless?
i am apparently not, so it has to be Clarity. I don't know how he ends up in Clarity being mafia when he is voting for the same person (Hopeless) and Clarity thinks Hopeless is mafia. It doesn't make any sense. It also doesn't make any sense he uses a plural on "voters", because it is impossible he thinks more than one person on Hopeless is mafia.
Unless he is lying about his read on me or his read on himself. This is a really good post. Snickers I think you're town and I love the energy you're bringing but Onegu is not the lynch today. I'd lynch Scott or Tofu. Scott is partly because of his early play which I questioned him on and I think rayn's point about his spreadsheet is good. Tofu, his second "push" on palmar felt bad. his secondary scum also felt like he didn't really give a shit "rayn's been quiet"...yeh well it's a post restricted game but rayn had stepped up by that point. Then a throw away bf has a small filter. I don't like obi either People I think are town rayn, rsol, snickers, onegu, palmar there are others that I should try to work out; hopeless, clarity, obi, bf. I want to read more from them. GB you can just say nothing and that would be fine. The progression is this, for people that doesn't want to read the posts: Kelsier says he doesn't like me and he would lynch me happily. I ask him why he doesn't like me. He says everything I post looks stupid. I asked him what is stupid in them and why does that makes me mafia. He said it doesn't make me mafia but he would lynch me anyway, and that he is annoyed because idiots (like me) are annoying him, but never says what are the problems with my posts. He then comes to the thread and says he wants to lynch "hopeless, clarity, obi and bf", not wanting to lynch me. It's simple: he said he didn't like me hoping to have me as an option for mislynch. When I confront it, he says I look stupid but he forgets it's something he doesn't believe is alignment indicative for me. Then he says he would lynch me anyway implying that I annoy him. Well, I wasn't raising suspicions on him since that time. Now I've being pressuring him for the rest of day1 and he doesn't want to lynch me anymore LOL. He is not annoyed with it. What I mean with this is: his actions does not follows his discourse, which is mostly a scum trait. Add to this the fact that he answers almost NOTHING of my posts directed to him. He just deflects them, adding to point (2) of this case.4) HE IS VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTTHE IS FUCKING VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT. SCOTT WAS THE FIRST GUY TO ANNOY HIM (AND KELSIER WOULD LYNCH PEOPLE DOING THAT)! Why he doesn't prefer a scott lynch? Hell, a lot of people thinks he is mafia! Instead of going against the guy that certainly looked as mafia for him, he is going against questionmark!Tofu. More than that, he wasn't advocating for a lynch on Scott, but opened a range of possible lynches he would go against (tofu, scott, obi, clarity). IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, PEOPLE! COME ON!!! + Show Spoiler [WIFOM] + Points on Kelsier were brought many times and no one quickly jumped on it, not even Scott, who was suspicions on Kelsier in the first place. The quick and unreasonable town reads Kelsier got points out that scum didn't want him as a possible mislynch. I am POSITIVE Kelsier is mafia. Vote him with me. ##Vote: KelsierSC 1. I didn't "constantly whine about wasting posts" I made one comment because it was a stupid point and boxerfred couldn't look up a game from last week. At the time I posted "everyone was playing shit" I didn't have one single person as town because people kept posting stupid things. 2. I thought scott had posted scummy things, I quoted something he posted that didn't make sense. I'm giving scum leans snickers posting wasn't productive so I ended that whole argument 3. You are an idiot, that is why I would lynch you, it doesn't matter your alignment. If you are mafia I would happily lynch you. If you are town, you are a complete imbecile who will spout nonsense and actively harm town, for example , making terrible cases against people who are town. so I would happily lynch you. 4. I would lynch tofu or scott, at the time I was in the thread I thought tofu was the better lynch and voted him. you can sit down and be quiet now. Then do work and lynch me. Lynch the imbecile. You fail to point out ONE STUPID ARGUMENT I've brought. And no, I'm not falling for the shit fight invite, I'm sorry. Even if you're town here, you're not worth it. I don't care about lynching you today because I have scum reads. Just assume that everything you post and will ever post in any future game is stupid. Safe bet You are just disrupting town with terrible cases as usual. So be quiet So, another excuse to deflect pushes on you We are agreed then. You ignore me and I'll advocate your lynch until the end of the game. I answered your "push" with a bullet to the head But go ahead and waste more of town's time. No, you defended yourself against a case that convinced some people that you could be Mafia. They started discussing you so you saw the need to defend yourself. But when I talked to you directly, you never answered. You just asked me to be quiet. And you see, I'm open to listen to why my case is wrong, because I'm not a douche. People are pointing out problems in some points and I'm okay with it. You could simply help me realising I'm wrong, but you decide to antagonise me without any reason. And I don't remember you being acting this douchey to anyone since your first game here. Which makes me think you are either Mafia or having serious IRL problems
you're just a massive twat with no brain
so discussing anything with you is pointless. I answered your case and you are still trying to push it.
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On July 27 2015 04:51 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 04:45 KelsierSC wrote:On July 27 2015 04:44 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2015 04:40 KelsierSC wrote:On July 27 2015 04:39 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2015 04:36 KelsierSC wrote:On July 27 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2015 04:29 KelsierSC wrote:On July 27 2015 03:46 GlowingBear wrote:.:Case on KelsierSC:. 1) Constantly whining about having to waste posts with bad things without actually using his remaining 50+ posts for anything else+ Show Spoiler +On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? On July 25 2015 19:39 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else See the better question would be , do you have any reads yet? Because that might be something interesting, instead your question looks to misrepresent what has actually happened in the game. unfortunately everyone is playing like shit so I have absolutely no one as town. On July 25 2015 20:10 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:57 Snickers wrote:On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? okay so lets start with this. One simple post. ur talking about wasting ur post which most people would find slightly scummy. your post has a complaining tone to it even though we are not even a 20 posts into the game. "two people" mention it but you think it is enough to get angry about. one of the two people you say has a silly post? so following your thought process one person is enough to make you angry and have to fill a post with weird stuff. Also one person making you mad when there is three scum..... yes one person is enough to annoy me If he is so worried about wasting posts with useless stuff, WHY DOES HE WASTE POSTS TO KEEP SAYING HE IS ANNOYED? "Yes, one person is enough to annoy me", really? Why is he so annoyed, man? "Everybody is playing like shit". No, nobody is playing like shit in this game. This game is pretty concise and to the point. His annoyance is unjustified, it's ridiculous. Looks like mafia trying to fake being emotional. 2) Deflecting any early suspicions brought on him + guilty conscienceOn July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:
It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with.
After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both.
bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me.
scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly
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considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum?
THIS IS HIS SECOND POST IN THE GAME! This is an unnatural reaction to what scott posted. In town mindset, the reaction I would expect would be "then you're stupid because I'm town" and not "ok, you think I'm scum, am I the only one lol". It reveals mafia's guilty conscience. More than that, and more important, it is a deflection of early pressure. He sees someone calling him scum and softly tries to shift pressure to someone else. If you ask "am I the only one?" a common response would be "no, I didn't like X as well" and if they keep talking about X, the pressure is shifted. The same reaction can be seen here: + Show Spoiler +On July 25 2015 19:54 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:50 Snickers wrote:
complains about shit play continues shit play This isn't going to lead to anything productive so I think it's best to just end it here. It can be interpreted in both ways: town not wanting to shit the thread, or scum deflecting pressure. Since Kelsier already displayed the deflection behaviour, the second option is more likely. 3) Wanting to lynch me then backtracking when having no reasons to+ Show Spoiler +On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Shut up Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. On July 26 2015 03:13 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 03:03 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Shut up Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. If what Palmar is doing could be considered contribution, I wouldn't have a problem here. Like I said, he hasn't done anything of substance. What exactly has Palmar contributed? Also, why do you think Palmar is town? Do you agree with his reads? well he is here reading the game and giving leans either way on quite a few players. your contribution so far has been to attack palmar for a small filter, and now he is here to attack him again. Like I said it didn't really make sense. From my perspective if I had someone as scum for being skimpy i'd give them more of a chance to post and maybe read some other players, not just tunnel the shit out of them. The way you acted, didn't feel correct. @snickers - You called rsoul mafia for defending herself Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 02:00 Snickers wrote:
let me defend myself then say im not defending myself
let me bitch about people not doing anything and then proceed to do prty much nothing and you seemed to have a problem when you thought I was doing it Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:41 Snickers wrote:
whoa u didnt fall for the trap of defending urself again. the fact you even asked me to qualify that statement is suspicous. so tell me why does it make people scummy. GB - because I read your posts and they felt stupid On July 26 2015 03:18 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote:On July 26 2015 03:13 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 03:03 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote:On July 26 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Shut up Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. If what Palmar is doing could be considered contribution, I wouldn't have a problem here. Like I said, he hasn't done anything of substance. What exactly has Palmar contributed? Also, why do you think Palmar is town? Do you agree with his reads? well he is here reading the game and giving leans either way on quite a few players. your contribution so far has been to attack palmar for a small filter, and now he is here to attack him again. Like I said it didn't really make sense. From my perspective if I had someone as scum for being skimpy i'd give them more of a chance to post and maybe read some other players, not just tunnel the shit out of them. The way you acted, didn't feel correct. @snickers - You called rsoul mafia for defending herself On July 26 2015 01:59 Snickers wrote:
lol youve done so much scummy shit On July 26 2015 02:00 Snickers wrote:
let me defend myself then say im not defending myself
let me bitch about people not doing anything and then proceed to do prty much nothing and you seemed to have a problem when you thought I was doing it On July 25 2015 19:27 Snickers wrote:
what is with you defending yourself more than anything else On July 25 2015 19:41 Snickers wrote:
whoa u didnt fall for the trap of defending urself again. the fact you even asked me to qualify that statement is suspicous. so tell me why does it make people scummy. GB - because I read your posts and they felt stupid Tell me what's stupid in them. Also, tell me why stupidity is a sign that I'm Mafia. for you it's not I'd still lynch you though On July 26 2015 05:39 KelsierSC wrote:
simple reason why rsoul is angry? probably the same reason i appear "annoyed"
idiots and snickers. but i repeat myself On July 26 2015 21:14 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 18:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why does he say his spreadsheet is shitty?
Why would anyone keep a shitty spreadsheet?
Also why does he say there are scummy voters on Hopeless? Who is scummy on Hopeless?
i am apparently not, so it has to be Clarity. I don't know how he ends up in Clarity being mafia when he is voting for the same person (Hopeless) and Clarity thinks Hopeless is mafia. It doesn't make any sense. It also doesn't make any sense he uses a plural on "voters", because it is impossible he thinks more than one person on Hopeless is mafia.
Unless he is lying about his read on me or his read on himself. This is a really good post. Snickers I think you're town and I love the energy you're bringing but Onegu is not the lynch today. I'd lynch Scott or Tofu. Scott is partly because of his early play which I questioned him on and I think rayn's point about his spreadsheet is good. Tofu, his second "push" on palmar felt bad. his secondary scum also felt like he didn't really give a shit "rayn's been quiet"...yeh well it's a post restricted game but rayn had stepped up by that point. Then a throw away bf has a small filter. I don't like obi either People I think are town rayn, rsol, snickers, onegu, palmar there are others that I should try to work out; hopeless, clarity, obi, bf. I want to read more from them. GB you can just say nothing and that would be fine. The progression is this, for people that doesn't want to read the posts: Kelsier says he doesn't like me and he would lynch me happily. I ask him why he doesn't like me. He says everything I post looks stupid. I asked him what is stupid in them and why does that makes me mafia. He said it doesn't make me mafia but he would lynch me anyway, and that he is annoyed because idiots (like me) are annoying him, but never says what are the problems with my posts. He then comes to the thread and says he wants to lynch "hopeless, clarity, obi and bf", not wanting to lynch me. It's simple: he said he didn't like me hoping to have me as an option for mislynch. When I confront it, he says I look stupid but he forgets it's something he doesn't believe is alignment indicative for me. Then he says he would lynch me anyway implying that I annoy him. Well, I wasn't raising suspicions on him since that time. Now I've being pressuring him for the rest of day1 and he doesn't want to lynch me anymore LOL. He is not annoyed with it. What I mean with this is: his actions does not follows his discourse, which is mostly a scum trait. Add to this the fact that he answers almost NOTHING of my posts directed to him. He just deflects them, adding to point (2) of this case.4) HE IS VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTTHE IS FUCKING VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT. SCOTT WAS THE FIRST GUY TO ANNOY HIM (AND KELSIER WOULD LYNCH PEOPLE DOING THAT)! Why he doesn't prefer a scott lynch? Hell, a lot of people thinks he is mafia! Instead of going against the guy that certainly looked as mafia for him, he is going against questionmark!Tofu. More than that, he wasn't advocating for a lynch on Scott, but opened a range of possible lynches he would go against (tofu, scott, obi, clarity). IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, PEOPLE! COME ON!!! + Show Spoiler [WIFOM] + Points on Kelsier were brought many times and no one quickly jumped on it, not even Scott, who was suspicions on Kelsier in the first place. The quick and unreasonable town reads Kelsier got points out that scum didn't want him as a possible mislynch. I am POSITIVE Kelsier is mafia. Vote him with me. ##Vote: KelsierSC 1. I didn't "constantly whine about wasting posts" I made one comment because it was a stupid point and boxerfred couldn't look up a game from last week. At the time I posted "everyone was playing shit" I didn't have one single person as town because people kept posting stupid things. 2. I thought scott had posted scummy things, I quoted something he posted that didn't make sense. I'm giving scum leans snickers posting wasn't productive so I ended that whole argument 3. You are an idiot, that is why I would lynch you, it doesn't matter your alignment. If you are mafia I would happily lynch you. If you are town, you are a complete imbecile who will spout nonsense and actively harm town, for example , making terrible cases against people who are town. so I would happily lynch you. 4. I would lynch tofu or scott, at the time I was in the thread I thought tofu was the better lynch and voted him. you can sit down and be quiet now. Then do work and lynch me. Lynch the imbecile. You fail to point out ONE STUPID ARGUMENT I've brought. And no, I'm not falling for the shit fight invite, I'm sorry. Even if you're town here, you're not worth it. I don't care about lynching you today because I have scum reads. Just assume that everything you post and will ever post in any future game is stupid. Safe bet You are just disrupting town with terrible cases as usual. So be quiet So, another excuse to deflect pushes on you We are agreed then. You ignore me and I'll advocate your lynch until the end of the game. I answered your "push" with a bullet to the head But go ahead and waste more of town's time. No, you defended yourself against a case that convinced some people that you could be Mafia. They started discussing you so you saw the need to defend yourself. But when I talked to you directly, you never answered. You just asked me to be quiet. And you see, I'm open to listen to why my case is wrong, because I'm not a douche. People are pointing out problems in some points and I'm okay with it. You could simply help me realising I'm wrong, but you decide to antagonise me without any reason. And I don't remember you being acting this douchey to anyone since your first game here. Which makes me think you are either Mafia or having serious IRL problems you're just a massive twat with no brain so discussing anything with you is pointless. I answered your case and you are still trying to push it. ksc can you please just answer gb's question? if he still pushes it just put him on mute like i did with snickers ^^ until he says something worth commenting on
i've answered the case he raised against me, I didn't see any questions in it. Just The great wall of Stupid
Tofu looksbad from that exchange. Saying I look "terrible" because of a case where 3 of the points he says aren't good and only agreeing with one point which is a bad point.
He also tries to jump on clarity next but nothing original in what he said.
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On July 27 2015 04:53 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Kelsier and GlowingBear STOP! You are both town.
Focus for fucks sake. He isn't. But I will stop discussing with him because I don't want to give Mafia space to shit the thread or to keep causing him problems IRL. Kelsier, if you're town, I hope everything turns out okay for you. I'm not lynching tofu today. If I have to choose between him and scott, I prefer scott
IRL is fine, It just makes me sad that someone like you is a real thing
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rsoul is town, this is a really push.
But hey apparently that is what we do this game
Clarity, Tofu or Scott
No one else is worth considering.
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My reluctance to clarity is that he can't defend himself because he isn't here.
So yeh his filter looks bad. But this is equivalent to lynching an AFK.
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This game makes me sad
lynch me if you want
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lol da fuq is this
On July 27 2015 05:46 Snickers wrote:
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onegu's reason seems bad, who is an easy target he pushed on?
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although tofu just ninja votred him
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can we have an extended deadline until the voting thing is fixed because I have no idea what is happening and can't make any decision here.
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On July 27 2015 06:57 Palmar wrote:
I think a scott switch would be unadvisable.
Tofu is fine for bads
Clarity is fine for mafia
Kelsier is fine for maybe mafia
Anything else is meeeehhhh.
none of that means anything
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On July 27 2015 06:58 FirmTofu wrote:
What's happening? Are we lynching me or clarity or scott? People be confusing me.
I dont know what the vote count is
I sort of want to lynch scott now
why did you vote him>
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good reason
I want to lynch scott
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Host should really give us 10 more minutes with a correct votecount, I couldn't make any decision there tbh
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nice
that modding was ...interesting tbh
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On July 27 2015 07:21 boxerfred wrote:
Good job. That puts a really bad light on Kelsier now, given his last minute "let's get on scott" stuff.
yeh I thought onegu's reason didn't make any sense , scott had disappeared and tofu had posted quite a bit . I was undecided.
Was going to vote scott then tofu ninja voted him so again I didn't know what to do. Sort of panicked last minute.
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On July 27 2015 07:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 07:24 KelsierSC wrote:On July 27 2015 07:21 boxerfred wrote:
Good job. That puts a really bad light on Kelsier now, given his last minute "let's get on scott" stuff. yeh I thought onegu's reason didn't make any sense , scott had disappeared and tofu had posted quite a bit . I was undecided. Was going to vote scott then tofu ninja voted him so again I didn't know what to do. Sort of panicked last minute. Onegu's vote still looks pretty bad btw.
well I mean why would he come back and randomly justify his vote as scum there?
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On July 27 2015 07:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 07:35 KelsierSC wrote:On July 27 2015 07:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 27 2015 07:24 KelsierSC wrote:On July 27 2015 07:21 boxerfred wrote:
Good job. That puts a really bad light on Kelsier now, given his last minute "let's get on scott" stuff. yeh I thought onegu's reason didn't make any sense , scott had disappeared and tofu had posted quite a bit . I was undecided. Was going to vote scott then tofu ninja voted him so again I didn't know what to do. Sort of panicked last minute. Onegu's vote still looks pretty bad btw. well I mean why would he come back and randomly justify his vote as scum there? I don't see how this is relevant. Even then, if this is what you thought then why did that affect your vote in the first place?
...because I didn't know that tofu was scum when onegu said that
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Ok I think I probably want to look at these people tomorrow
boxerfred, GB, Palmar, hopeless
I can go into more details soon but that's what I got reading through the game again.
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On July 28 2015 02:42 boxerfred wrote:
tl;dr:
GB pushed some people, soft defended the scum lynch quite a lot of times, tried to get another train rolling. I think that's scummy.
yeh that's basically what I thought of GB when I read his posts through again.
My reason for suspecting you is that you were happy on scott and you didn't give a read on tofu that I can see. how come?
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On July 28 2015 02:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 27 2015 04:54 rsoultin wrote:On July 27 2015 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 27 2015 04:48 rsoultin wrote:On July 27 2015 04:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you're shit at reading Palmar but i am wrong on him? lol you guys love to focus in on this i've told you why i think he's town and i've admitted i could be wrong cause i know i'm not good at reading him. so what? like, do you have a case on palmar i didn't see? i'm not just going to sheep you on him when i think he's town and i have no clue if i should trust your read over mine because i don't know how good you are at reading him. i suspect not very. he's fucking palmar -_- I ma very good at reading Palmar. proof or it didn't happen i trust myself i trust certain players on particular other players if i'm townreading them i trust a townread palmar's d1 reads to some extent if i at least get a similar feel like, seriously, how can you expect me to trust you when you're not even sure and you're scumreading me in the same breath for god knows what reason?i suspect association, personally, which just makes me want to facepalm. maybe you're right on tofu but i really think clarity is the better lynch today because i see scum there where tofu could just be bad town? here is why rsoultin is mafia. I said this before and i say this again. I don't care to google the english words for what this is, look at foolishness' post about "book of bad arguments". "I cant trust your other reads because you cant even read me here". I am serious i have never seen rsoultin say anything this stupid in a game of mafia. She is scum, i dont care what she posts. This is enough. Palmar is also scum.
I agree that palmar is pushing a very "don't lynch tofu" agenda d1.
On July 26 2015 18:22 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 17:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:This is kinda scummy. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop. On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read. The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling. On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes
but guys, guys, guys...
rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something. On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!
Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know. Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Here is why FirmTofu is mafia. Especially the underlined part is something that is impossible for a townie to believe is true. This makes FirmTofu dumb and bad. I don't know if it makes him mafia.
On July 27 2015 04:20 Palmar wrote:
I think we lynch one of clarity kelsier and scott.
I would love to lynch ft for being awful... But it feels like a revenge lynch to me
On July 27 2015 04:31 Palmar wrote:
Btw after some more consideration I will only vote kelsier or clarity today
there is also this connection/signalling between palmar and FT
On July 27 2015 04:17 Palmar wrote:
This kelsier case is actually good
On July 27 2015 04:29 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 04:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There are things that make people town or mafia.
Palmar did things that make him mafia to FT. Then he did some other things.
Those other things should either make him a townread, not null (like idk, he seems to be saying here, unless he is saying Palmar is still scummy).
Based on what FT said about Palmar earlier i don't believe he actually thinks Palmar did townie things (since he was pretty much just clarifying his reads and/or saying new stuff which changed nothing), or if he does, it should make him think Palmar is town, because he is now doing things against FT's original case.
I am bad at explaining shit, he is mafia. Palmar played like mafia for the first half of the day, now he's playing like town, so he's a null read. The fact that he is playing more like a townie now does not vindicate him for his bad play earlier in the game. I'm not sure why this is so hard for him to understand. On GB's case. His first point seems like GB is just ranting on Kelsier's personality. I don't think point 1 proves anything. I really like point 2. This is actually why I think hopeless is town. When hopeless said something to the effect of "you're scum because you called me scum" to scott, he was behaving like a townie. He's shocked that anyone could call him scum so he immediately pounces on scott for accusing him. Kelsier is doing the opposite. My scum sirens are blaring already. On point 3, I think this just makes GB look super town. It's basically a "hopeless" post. Kelsier is scum because he he thinks I'm scum. It says more about GB than it does Kelsier. On point 4, I think he's just getting really emotional at this point and really wants Kel dead. Makes me think GB is town but doesn't tell me much about Kel. Overall, point two is powerful. I like it. I'll lynch kel. ##unvote##vote:KelsierSC
FT spends time typing up his reasons why the case is good,it isn't then sees palmar has changed his mind
On July 27 2015 04:23 Palmar wrote:
Yeah for now im gonna vote clarity
I need to run but will be back before the deadline
QUOTE]On July 27 2015 04:39 FirmTofu wrote:
Looks like the Clarity train is catching. I am down for this as well. Let's see where this takes us.
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But then his idea that FT is just bad town isn't a totally unbelievable statement. Apparently he found GB's case on me compelling and I think clarity would have been an ok lynch.
Plus you also have town points in palmars favour
On July 27 2015 06:57 Palmar wrote:
I think a scott switch would be unadvisable.
Tofu is fine for bads
Clarity is fine for mafia
Kelsier is fine for maybe mafia
Anything else is meeeehhhh.
scott is another wagon here so arguing against it doesn't make much sense, unless scott is also mafia or he is trying to force the clarity lynch. I could check the votes at this point. But shutting down an alternative wagon doesn't seem very mafia esque.
Then FT went at palmar super hard for his first posts when no one really gave a shit about palmar. He did back off him but seems like a strange play between mafia partners.
Then finally his vote , he didn't know it ended up saving scott and getting FT lynched, but I had no idea what the vote count was and maybe palmar didn't either so he just wanted to ensure FT got lynched. which is towny.
Like I actually can't make up my mind on him. help
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I don't think scott is mafia though so again I can't see why mafia palmar would want to totally shutdown a scott wagon
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Tomorrow I'd lynch Clarity, hopeless, GB
Town - rayn, obi, onegu, rsol, snickers, scott
probably town - bf, palmar
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Hello everyone, catching up
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I think I gave 3 good reasons why palmar is likely town this game
Plus the fake red check and follow up to it with rsol felt town. I feel pretty strongly he is town
@GB I noticed the first few points you raised but you have ignored other points that make palmar town. Plus point 4 palmar comes up with reasons to scum read rsol and then you say he has no original reasons to scum read people? That point 5 seems really stupid to me.
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On July 29 2015 03:18 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 03:09 KelsierSC wrote:
I think I gave 3 good reasons why palmar is likely town this game
Plus the fake red check and follow up to it with rsol felt town. I feel pretty strongly he is town
@GB I noticed the first few points you raised but you have ignored other points that make palmar town. Plus point 4 palmar comes up with reasons to scum read rsol and then you say he has no original reasons to scum read people? That point 5 seems really stupid to me. I do not ignore points that makes Palmar town. I just think they aren't enough to dismiss the strong scum read I'm having. The reason Palmar used to scumread rsoultin is very WIFOMy, man. I can easily see town thinking I'm the miller OR the claim is fake. You played Himalayas with me and you saw what my red check on holyflare caused. Other than this reaction bullshit, you can see that he is rehashing people's arguments. He even admitted it in his defense post, Kelsier. You can add to that that he is totally focused on rsoultin, forgetting about both you and clarity. He says he didn't forget, that he reevaluated. He reevaluated both of you? How? You didn't answer his reaction test thing.
ok if you think scott is town can you explain palmar's actions EOD ?
I think he said he was undecided on me actually but w/e
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On July 29 2015 03:31 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Kelsier, he gave you a townread and said he could lynch you over Scott, who he previously gave a scum read and changed it when it gained traction because Scott used excel.
Like, do you REALLY trust this?
hey it was your case on me that got him thinking that way =)
hmm let me think some more
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I also don't see someone who is down a mafia player, coming out and fake claiming cop, more likely play from a psychological standpoint is to try and not rock the boat.
I think he did scummy things D1, but I think his EOD actions and FT's play makes him town.
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Clarity would have been a fine lynch yesterday and is a good lynch today
"forming quickly" is stupid
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On July 29 2015 08:19 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 06:54 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity would have been a fine lynch yesterday and is a good lynch today
"forming quickly" is stupid Name me one reason why we should lynch clarity that cannot be explained by "he can't play the game".
I was responding to GB's comment that clarity can't be scum because the "wagon" formed too quickly. Clarity did play scummy rsoul, myself and others gave reasons why he had been scummy. then he didn't post anything. So it wouldn't have been a bad lynch and the fact it formed quickly is irrelevant to his alignment.
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On July 29 2015 08:33 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:On July 29 2015 08:19 Palmar wrote:On July 29 2015 06:54 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity would have been a fine lynch yesterday and is a good lynch today
"forming quickly" is stupid Name me one reason why we should lynch clarity that cannot be explained by "he can't play the game". I was responding to GB's comment that clarity can't be scum because the "wagon" formed too quickly. Clarity did play scummy rsoul, myself and others gave reasons why he had been scummy. then he didn't post anything. So it wouldn't have been a bad lynch and the fact it formed quickly is irrelevant to his alignment. Do you disagree with the reasoning I laid out here: Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 23:43 Palmar wrote:
The AWOLs and why we shouldn't lynch them.
Clarity and Onegu
Unfortunately we have two people not participating in the game. Both of those players are prime vigilante targets.
But the most important part is that there is no reason to actively really believe that either of them is mafia. We have no flipped blue roles so there's no real reason to doubt that Onegu is named townie, and while I wanted to lynch clarity yesterday for not contributing, his post tonight and the fact that HTS is looking for a replacement for this game probably means he's telling the truth that he can't play. It's a bit shitty I guess to talk about it, but it's the next thread to this one...
If time constraints stop him from contributing, that fully explains my main gripe with him, which was that clarity is a good player who is not trying to solve the game. Solving the game is much harder when you don't have time to solve the game.
So yeah, unless someone can bring up a real reason why one of the two is mafia, we're basically taking the easy way out by lynching them. If they happen to be town it'll be an idle lynch on a lurker, and I generally don't like those after day 1.
Like I'm not kidding about clarity, the reason I wanted to lynch him was I had just played with him in voice mafia where he was insightful, talkative and very committed to winning as a townie, and then there's literally nothing this game. But this is 100% explained by simply being absent this game.
It sucks, and if he's mafia I'm basically giving him a lurker pass for nothing, but I don't want to lynch him today.
Check/Shoot. Use the lynch on someone who might at least respond. I agree it sucks. I still think it's a bad lynch. hopefully he'll just get modkilled for failing to vote by the end of the cycle and the problem goes away on itself. Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 08:27 Snickers wrote:
its prty weird how palmar has so many posts to use as "references"
its also weird just how he goes about presenting them I don't know what you mean with posts as references. I think I have plenty of posts left because I actually kind of consolidate my posts a bit.
meh HTS will probably replace someone in at the EOD and the game will go to shit
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We should consolidate
Anyone who voted ft is off the table
I don't want to lynch rsol at all I think she's town.
So hopeless,GB or Bf are your choices,
I think Bf is town though.
Hopeless has done absolutely nothing and his play is uninspiring. Fits scum profile.
Le go
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On July 29 2015 22:34 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 21:34 KelsierSC wrote:
We should consolidate
Anyone who voted ft is off the table
I don't want to lynch rsol at all I think she's town.
So hopeless,GB or Bf are your choices,
I think Bf is town though.
Hopeless has done absolutely nothing and his play is uninspiring. Fits scum profile.
Le go Fits profile, isn't scum. I'm the poster child for scummy town. why do you have bf as town? I'd like to lynch him
Can't quote but I liked his tone and his response to some questions. Plus his exasperation is understandable.
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On July 30 2015 03:03 Half the Sky wrote:
Moderator Announcement:
Please welcome Alakaslam to the Outback. He replaces Clarity_nl, effective immediately.
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On July 30 2015 03:11 GlowingBear wrote:
No snickers. Impossible. There is nothing in there that makes you believe he is a role (even more, a PROTECTIVE role)
And I'm okay with being mislynched because I can't argue against stupidity. The only reason you guys are pointing out I could be a good lynch is based on associative reads. Boxerfred is the worst out of this, because he voted outside the wagon too.
Now, as I see Kelsier hard defending Palmae and that his play got worse and worse day2, and he simply votes whoever the wagon is, I will be voting him and if you want to lynch Mafia, vote him. If you want to mislynch, vote me. I really don't fucking care
even though I was confirmed town?
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just horrible to not read, jump on a post from like page 60 when there is a whole game to read and then waste your vote on someone no one is voting for.
Only reason not to lynch clarity was he was getting mod killed.
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On July 30 2015 04:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote:No it's not. He just threw away his vote on a safe wagon and left, literally the EXACT SAME THING he accused Slam of doing.
the wagon of just me?
I went out for a run and then showered. apparently slam is blue. great
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On July 30 2015 05:12 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 04:44 rsoultin wrote:
47/80
lol at least prof cancelled lab
wth are you people running around like chickens with your heads cut off? we have over 2 hours left before the lynch
order of business:
- hopeless claimed cop. if you are the real cop and you're not ccing him, you are wrong
- scott could be gf but statistically the chances are higher he's town assuming hope isn't cc'd. off the table in a 2 hr crunch
- slam needs to hard claim jailer/banisher if he is one. he's getting shot tonight if he's town and doesn't claim it anyway, and it removes the ridiculous ambiguity snickers started in the first place
i am not lynching gb
i'm not scum
if slam doesn't hard claim, i'm sorely tempted to lynch him, but will consider leaving it another day for him to get caught up
we need to discuss the lynch, be organized, and consolidate
i'm thinking bf but it's more poe than anything. what does everyone got? Why would he die tonight? The cop would die before him and he'll be roleblocked if anything. He's probably not getting lynched, why does it benefit town for him to claim?
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On July 30 2015 05:16 scott31337 wrote:
They have one in every game I have played.
kk
I'm short of a scum hmmm
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On July 30 2015 05:23 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 05:20 Snickers wrote:
If slam is the jailer and gb flips scum definitely jail Rsoul if a jailed mafia can't carry out a kill. 52/80 it would be a waste but i wouldn't mind being confirmed lol >< i seriously doubt gb flips scum, though. like i still think my read is baller
who is your 3rd mafia?
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On July 30 2015 05:26 rsoultin wrote:
53/80
i think scum is between
bf/scott/palmar/slam
i'm really not sure on which of these 4 are mafia but i have decent reasons to townread everyone else
not me? you can say me and we can still be friends
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On July 30 2015 05:29 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Where did palmar go?
:/
wherever whores go
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On July 30 2015 05:26 rsoultin wrote:
53/80
i think scum is between
bf/scott/palmar/slam
i'm really not sure on which of these 4 are mafia but i have decent reasons to townread everyone else
i don't see how scott can be scum in this game
he was pushed by FT
was the 2nd wagon
got cop checked green
slam is also un cc'd
of that 4 I say bf is the most likely scum but I have reasons for him to be town.
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On July 30 2015 05:32 rsoultin wrote:
55/80
screw it lol >< i don't know that bf is mafia, but i'm pretty sure gb isn't
ksc, can you tell me why my read is wrong?
well when I went back and read D1 I basically had the exact same thoughts as the case bf made.
He worked really hard to try and steer the lynch away from FT
There was also this point where he asked me to read a case on he made, even though he was scum reading me which shows he isn't thinking. not a big mafia tell from him admittedly.
Add in POE, get mafia
He seems to have mafia sided very hard this game and I don't have anyone else I want to lynch.
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meh mafia could just have a framer so mafia knows there is unlikely to be a jk/banisher and that makes slam's claim really safe.
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On July 30 2015 05:41 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 05:37 KelsierSC wrote:On July 30 2015 05:32 rsoultin wrote:
55/80
screw it lol >< i don't know that bf is mafia, but i'm pretty sure gb isn't
ksc, can you tell me why my read is wrong? well when I went back and read D1 I basically had the exact same thoughts as the case bf made. He worked really hard to try and steer the lynch away from FT There was also this point where he asked me to read a case on he made, even though he was scum reading me which shows he isn't thinking. not a big mafia tell from him admittedly. Add in POE, get mafia He seems to have mafia sided very hard this game and I don't have anyone else I want to lynch. 57/80 eh, him being wrong isn't alignment indicative...palmar is right about that and him being all over the place is usually indicative of his town game? but really i'm referring to his reaction to firm tofu's first post in the game. i don't think that can come from mafia
hmm
see my problem is if I believe all the claims
then my mafia team is like GB/bf or GB/you and I have good reasons to townread you and GB/bf makes no sense this game.
whereas if slam/clarity is scum then I can see a team of clarity/bf or something like that. meaning I could just be wrong on bf.
hmmm I prefer this over GB actually
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On July 30 2015 05:51 boxerfred wrote:
why exactly would GB/clarity not make sense, kelsier?
no idea i just haven't really thought about that team.
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On July 30 2015 05:51 rsoultin wrote:
59/80
yeah, if all the claims are true i'm really missing something...palmar i kinda think is town but could be wrong on. there were things about bf that made me think he could be town, but not as many things as with pretty much every other player
i could also be wrong on ows but i have him in that second tier with you right now, so i really think slam isn't actually a blue but if he is and i'm just wrong, lynching him would be pretty bad
meh, if you think bf could be scum with clarity isn't it more logical to lynch bf than slam? i dunnae -_-
more to the point, i doubt we can even get a wagon on slam strong enough to compete with gb
clarity was scummy
AFK'd
replacement comes in ,
says a bunch of shit about snickers of all people on p60 then votes on snickers
claims blue without claiming it. possibly because mafia doesn't have RB so they know that claim is safe.
leaves because he doesnt give a shit, probably because he replaced in as mafia
my own thing - I can't make a good scum team without slam in it.
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On July 30 2015 05:52 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 05:51 boxerfred wrote:
why exactly would GB/clarity not make sense, kelsier? no idea i just haven't really thought about that team.
and slam's last instruction is for everyone to vote GB so.
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I don't want to lynch GB anymore
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On July 30 2015 06:09 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 06:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Not feeling a slam lynch.
Try again town. 62/80 vote bf then. unless you're scumreading gb...i'm not sure that bf is scum but he's more likely to flip scum than gb i'll vote palmar before gb, too, ftr
ugh I think bf has a better shot of being mafia than palmar
it's actually fucking stupid that slam isn't being lynched here
literally someone else calls him blue and he says "oh yeh im blue but not telling which" and that gets him off the table. it's clear to me slam replaced into mafia and fucked off.
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On July 30 2015 06:14 Snickers wrote:
Don't fucking vote the prty muh claimed power role He explained why he can't be here and if u guys could think long term which Rsoul can't cause game over if gb is lynched, gb is the right play
why would you replace into a game if you couldn't be here?
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come on grow some balls and vote slam, you know it's good.
the only reason not to lynch him is snickers "logic" which is like playing chess with a monkey
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Like you can all walk around with your dick tucked between your legs and lynch GB , bf or whatever i because "oh i dont lke the other lynches"
or you can take this one chance to be a legend and lynch the scum who claimed blue. You have the chance to be part of something big here, bigger than any of us
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can you test the vote count thing here quickly so we don't get a repeat of D1
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I offered you the chance to become immortal and you threw it back at me , very well
you all shall fall
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On July 30 2015 06:40 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 06:33 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok if you guys don't think I'm Mafia, it's time to consolidate or I'm dead Technically I'm okay with you dying. I don't really have any strong inclinations bf is mafia and you're a pita.
you mentioned about 3 times that you haven't read bf or had the time to, and you gave him a scum point earlier on . Maybe reading him now would be a good idea/
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this feels really stupid fuck
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I really think slam is a better lynch. I don't want to lynch boxer
##unvote
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On July 30 2015 06:52 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2015 06:51 KelsierSC wrote:
I really think slam is a better lynch. I don't want to lynch boxer
##unvote
##vote Alakaslam rsoultin~~~~~~~~ Although slam might well be scum. We just don't have any evidence one way or the other.
bleh i dont fucking know
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I can't promise victory , I only offer the chance at true greatness
VOTE SLAM!
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On July 30 2015 06:55 GlowingBear wrote:
I just voted slam
If you want him dead you have to be quick.
CARPE DIEM MOTHER FUCKERS!!!!
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On July 30 2015 06:57 rsoultin wrote:
ABORT!
HOLD!!!!!!!
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hopeless just voted him
come on
grow a fucking dick
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I didn't really care tbh., whatever
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On July 30 2015 07:25 Half the Sky wrote:
Everyone, I have read the thread over the last cycle. No one individual is liable for a behaviour warning yet, but I sensed enough collective tension in the thread so I just remind you lot to stay civil. Most of you know where I stand with behaviour, so just please stay civil and carry on.
yeh I went a bit braveheart , apologies
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On July 30 2015 07:39 boxerfred wrote:
though I'm still not willing to abandon my GB case. w/e gnite
you should probably do that
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Final Day 2 Vote Count
Alakaslam (5): KelsierSC, KelsierSC, KelsierSC, rsoultin, GlowingBear, Hopeless1der, rsoultin, GlowingBear, Palmar
GlowingBear (4): boxerfred, scott31337, Snickers, boxerfred, scott31337, KelsierSC, Alakaslam, KelsierSC
boxerfred (2): Onegu, Hopeless1der, rsoultin, KelsierSC, ObiWanShinobi, GlowingBear, GlowingBear, rsoultin
Hopeless1der (0): Palmar, KelsierSC, ObiWanShinobi, rsoultin, boxerfred, scott31337
scott31337 (0): ObiWanShinobi
KelsierSC (0): GlowingBear , ObiWanShinobi
Snickers (0): Alakaslam
Palmar (0): GlowingBear, Snickers, rsoultin, ObiWanShinobi, GlowingBear
rsoultin (0): Palmar, scott31337, Onegu, Palmar
Not Voting (0):
Going to give where I'm at right now because I think this game is pretty close to over, don't know how many mislynches we have but w/e
so Everyone who voted Slam is town, not just for that but other reasons aswell.
It's safe to assume scott is town. It looks like we got Named Town and Cop as our roles
so framer and GF is way too much cop hate.
This probably means onegu is town aswell, he lynched mafia d1 and he claimed named town. Safe to think he is town imo.
So that leaves bf, Snickers, Obi
bf has voting history against him, he has vs GB against him. There are other things I could try to dive but I sort of found him town EOD 2, I think he probably needs to die next which could be a shame.
In the case the game doesn't end with bf dying.
It means we have two town wagons in which case mafia doesn't really give a fuck and probably tries to split votes.
Which makes obi look worse than snickers, snickers has been posting a lot, most of it bad, but he has cared. I don't get that feeling from obi he basically didn't want town to vote anyone "not feeling GB","not lynching slam". The only town cred obi has is the vote on FT.
Plus Snickers gave the tip that his own mafia partner has to be blue? that doesn't make a huge deal of sense.
So
Lynch Bf, obi, Snickers
game ends likely
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unfortunately it seems that obi has wanted to lynch mafia for the entire game so it's kind of hard to call him scum
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maybe lynch snickers before obi then
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i dunno y'all figure it out, I've done enough
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On July 30 2015 17:32 Snickers wrote:
You guys so realize you were like "let's lynch the person who is getting modkilled"
Yeh you already said town is trash we get it.
Can't believe we lynched that confirmed blue role (lol)
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Lynching mafia seems like a strong town play
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On July 30 2015 23:36 Snickers wrote:
thats not a case
rsoul is godfather
this is a wrap boyz
Looks like a good case to me.
Rsol is confirmed town so I have no idea what you're on.
Lynch Snickers first. Sounds good
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Is there a way we can vote to speed up the day?
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On July 31 2015 03:15 Palmar wrote:
Meh currently i think I'd still lynch rsoultin
/shrug
...lol
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what if we just unanimously agree to lynch snickers and then lynch boxerfred if the game doesn't end.
That is what is going to happen so can't we just fast travel.
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Palmar seriously wtf are you doing
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On July 31 2015 10:33 Snickers wrote:
so anyway i think the players here are overall rude, bad mafia players and lack reading skills so do you guys just want me out of this game or could you possibly take me seriously. Anyway the choice is yours.
out is good
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Lol wtf
Just vote snickers
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only thing that gives me pause on bf is that I feel , personality wise, he would have conceded by now
oh well, still going to lynch him.
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there is no way rsoultin is scum
don't be dumb
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On August 03 2015 03:34 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2015 03:28 rsoultin wrote:
you know, bf...i am going to laugh so hard if you're scum this game
"i concede"
"jk"
boxerfred the mafia xxx has been lynched
lolol >< stop pretending you don't know I'm town. I'm not believing you and ironically due to your post - I think you're the last scum.
in fact trying desperately to call rsoultin mafia based on that post confirms to me that you are desperately trying to find other people to call scum now.
vote bf tomorrow.
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ah damn i forgot to do this tonight
##vote 24hr days
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On August 03 2015 04:43 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2015 03:57 rsoultin wrote:On August 03 2015 03:34 boxerfred wrote:On August 03 2015 03:28 rsoultin wrote:
you know, bf...i am going to laugh so hard if you're scum this game
"i concede"
"jk"
boxerfred the mafia xxx has been lynched
lolol >< stop pretending you don't know I'm town. I'm not believing you and ironically due to your post - I think you're the last scum. i've been very clear about what i think throughout this game. i think you're the most likely to flip scum of those still in the game, for all the reasons i've outlined pretending i don't know you're town? lol >< the only way i could possibly know you're town if you really are town would be if i were scum way to circular reason you play down the voting thing, you ignore the part about desperately trying to find scum anywhere but you instead of narrowing down your scumreads to one lynch. if you're town this game your contribution is null trying to find out if anyone but palmar would lynch me? palmar and onegu will, and maybe not oneg...can't really tell with him right now, though he'd jump at the chance most games just for lolz. look how helpful i'm being ^^ does that help you plan your nks? Well time for some martyring. I asked you to use the last day already, you guys didn't, not at all. you have two mislynches, namely snickers and me, and then you have 2 cycles with zero additional information. great job, town. blah im out.
no because i'm not 12
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On August 03 2015 05:59 scott31337 wrote:
Palmar is probably top town.
You're probably second but your ideas at the moment will lose us the game.
Onegu's going into the why is he still alive category tomorrow if he's still around.
Rsoul too - If one of these two aren't dead I'm going to be suspicious.
Boxer - I know it's a bit WIFOM but why wouldn't he concede? His votes are bad though...
Kelsier seems so unmemorable this game... I wish we had filters working.
OWS is almost in the same boat as well.
it's really stupid to say shit like this before the deadline
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i mean if mafia gets lynched d1 and d2 it's going to be tough for mafia to win
I think obi did a really good job getting to the end. But even then onegu/rsoul was never in doubt and onegu trolled just to make things crazy.
Thanks for host, thanks to obi for keeping on until the end.
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On August 11 2015 07:15 marvellosity wrote:
the scott lynch was hysterically bad
just paranoia setting in I think.
my d1 reads are usually pretty good and then it all goes down hill
On July 26 2015 21:53 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 21:33 Snickers wrote:
like its prty obv tofu nor scott is mafia lol.
one person said i dont like this one setence about tofu and now there is a tofu train about to depart.
and scott is extremely towny. He seems like a new player and a new player isnt going to put out a list of reads and have it be all leans while they are mafia.
so instead of going with the flow of mafia pushing into tofu and scott lynch boxer or at least comment about my case on boxer that somehow people are ignoring. that is a weak reason to town read scott, especially to call him "extremely towny".
I'd lynch either of these 4
Tofu, Scott, clarity, ObiClarity, it's this "hopeless post is forced" thing and then trying to make people vote him like he started the wagon , the "cheerleader" effect. He's basically just left the vote on him and fucked off without any real explanation. He has the pregame excuse that he won't be here all day so nothing more can be gained from him. Obi, I need to see some more before I decide, but having absolutely nothing from him except his misrep of me and then lots of pokey one liners is difficult.
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On August 11 2015 08:59 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2015 08:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 11 2015 08:33 geript wrote:On August 11 2015 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am pretty sure Slam being lynched had little to do with his inactivity. I'll say this. The slam lynch was an accident that turned out well. Don't get me wrong, Slam was obviously mafia and Clarity wasn't likely town (despite a few people saying otherwise). Town just sort of lucked into that lynch somehow because they didn't want to lynch other people not because they actually gave good reasons for Clarity/Slam to be mafia. yeah but there were not any good reasons for ANYONE in the game (including Cava) to be mafia at that point soooo.... I disagree. When Damdred posts my D1/D2 analysis, you'll not that on D1 I thought that Clarity was the best D2 lynch. Considering his wasted vote (as there's likely at least 1 mafia off the wagon) in addition to the fact that he hadn't made a single good post all day long, there's good reason to suspect that slot is mafia. My issue with the D2 lynch is that most people touted Clarity/Slam as essentially "Not GB" as I best recall. That's opting into a good lynch for not great reasons. For me, there's a difference between town pushing a good lynch target for a good reason and town pushing a good lynch target for a not very good reason. The fact that it was an accident ended up being quite beneficial if anyone had done vote analysis; IIRC, Palmer even made the "I think 1 mafia bussed D1 and 1 was off the wagon" post that was similar to my thoughts after D1 but never followed up on it. However, the problem is that town felt better about themselves without actually analyzing anything and it, IMO, promoted a series of bad lynches and bad pushes that followed. Just like when multiple strong players are thinking about/analyzing the game critically and it sharpens each of their points, multiple people not thinking and not analyzing the game always seems to promote that sort of dumbing effect.
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