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On July 17 2015 03:51 Fidei86 wrote:
Got it.
BTW, my tinfoil hat world involves you and n00b being the scum team. But honestly, I think if that's the case then we could just GG now :-)
Was actually thinking the same. If sulfur us was bussed then it was probably done by hts and either you or noob. But want to wait out night until I start to consider it srs. On phone now Btw, so can't write to everything about me. Will do during day.
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On July 16 2015 23:49 Tictock wrote:1) I still think HtS has the best list post for suggestions for Night Actions. If you trust nobody else, please trust her. Show nested quote +Nightaction RecommendationsDetective: 1) Grokken, 2) SW, 3) Tictock, 4) TJHiggins Caveat: I would NOT check Scott if you think there's a vig in this setup - he should be getting shot, so consider any of Grokken, Tictock, SW or if you are unsure of WP, then him, but I am thinking WP might be green here. A check on Scott should have been done d1 and if you haven't done it now you may want to exercise caution if the vig held his shot, which could happen in a newbie game. Vigilante: Scott, Scott, Scott. Vig a scummy lurker who is least likely to help town (if he's town) By far, this person would be Scott. Shoot Scott. No, you should have done that yesterday  Medic: I would say any of the trio of Fidei, n00bking, or myself. Use your judgement.
Then it's worth noting that HtS and I have a lot of the same suggestions. Her list of options for the Doctor matches mine exactly.
She suggests 4 targets for the Cop, and 3 of those 4 are the same ones I suggested. She and I have crossover on silentwarrior, Ticktock, and TJ.
We don't have the same ideas for the Vigilante, but it looks somewhat likely that there isn't one.
On July 16 2015 23:49 Tictock wrote:Why would I as Scum bus my remaining scummate right off the bat? Why would I risk that move by moving my vote around so much EoD, and then nudging back my scum read on TJ? Like it's obvious that TJ is still one of the scummier players right now, so isn't my receding my read and even risking saying he might be a good medic save suicide as scum?
Isn't it suicide as Town? If you're Town, you're making risky plays to try and protect a player whose allegiance you don't know. If you and TJ are scum, then your risky plays are at least intended to protect a player that you know is on your team.
On July 16 2015 23:49 Tictock wrote:Unless you think I planned out my play for the entirety of the past cycle just to make this argument, I don't see how my actions this game can possible make sense from a scum perspective.
Try to make sense of your actions from a Town perspective. Because I have a Town perspective, and your actions don't make sense. Explain your reaction to Moosy's ninja vote. Explain why you came full circle on TJ, and suggested him as a target for the Doctor. Explain why you came full circle on Grokken, after townreading him for so long.
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On July 17 2015 04:08 n00bKing wrote:
Try to make sense of your actions from a Town perspective. Because I have a Town perspective, and your actions don't make sense. Explain your reaction to Moosy's ninja vote. Explain why you came full circle on TJ, and suggested him as a target for the Doctor. Explain why you came full circle on Grokken, after townreading him for so long.
I only have a few min but I'll try and explain a little.
If Moosy had in fact Ninja voted like that I would think it very suspect, but most of my reaction was due to the fact that he hadn't actually voted in the voteing thread. I even noted that in one of my posts before Onegu sorted it. That reminded me of a scum strat Onegu himself had suggested to me in my last game with him. So I freaked out a little.
In fact the way that I freaked out reminded me about TJ freaking out. To be honest I'm not even that sold on the case we have on him, but that's because of some WIFOM thoughts of my own.
My read on Grok was never as solid as everyone seems to assume. I believe it was points 1 & 3 in your post about him n00b that I had pointed out before, that was my only reason for having a town lean on him. Reading his filter I felt like that was no longer enough and he dropped to a neutral read, which at the time was what I had on SW as well.
Based on my last post on SW I would actually probably shoot him just as easily as I would Scott if I were Vigi.
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On July 17 2015 04:38 Tictock wrote:
If Moosy had in fact Ninja voted like that I would think it very suspect, but most of my reaction was due to the fact that he hadn't actually voted in the voteing thread. I even noted that in one of my posts before Onegu sorted it. That reminded me of a scum strat Onegu himself had suggested to me in my last game with him. So I freaked out a little.
I'm not sure of what you are saying here. If he didn't vote in the voting thread, then how did he vote at all? Votes don't count unless they appear in the voting thread, right? Are you saying that a player could like...submit a vote to the Mod via PM, without posting it in the voting thread, and still have it count? Because I didn't think something like that was possible (But I'm a n00b and this is only my 2nd game here, so I'm not sure.)
If something like that IS possible, and you thought that's what happened (because Moosy's vote showed up in Onegu's vote count, but it wasn't in the voting thread) then your reaction will make more sense, even though Moosy's vote did not impact the lynch. Because you wouldn't have been able to know that he hadn't submitted it earlier, when he thought it WOULD impact the lynch.
Like, honestly, if players can submit votes directly to the Mods via PM, without using the voting thread, my suspicion of you will go down dramatically.
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Pretty sure that isn't a thing, n00b. Page 23 now. TJH and Wonna looking god awful so far ... let's see if they can pull it back!
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On July 16 2015 08:11 TJHuggins wrote:
I reviewed the past few days last night but didn't have time to make a big post. I was going to make one today before the day ended but got home late.
I would have voted for Grokken. I think Ghandi was a mistake.
On page 30 now, but just want to flag up this post, which came AFTER Ghandi flipped town.
This post might win the "no shit Sherlock" award of 2015.
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On July 16 2015 08:34 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 08:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 16 2015 08:16 TJHuggins wrote:
Tomorrow. If you die where does that leave us? I would like it if you could post it now for me and HtS to dissect. TJ might be a good person for Medic to visit tonight... Just sayin.
And this from TT will win the "Derp" award.
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Hmm bah, I think it sucks that GE wasn't scum, since he made himself look awfully like it. Even when I look back at all his posts, it is hard to think differently. After rereading his posts I wonder what his read on Grokken was.
When I think about the fact that we had 6 votes on GE, I'm automatically thinking that atleast 1, maybe even both scum are within these 6. This makes it difficult for me, because my whole top 3, consisting of GE, scott and TJH were not in this. That would make me, Grokken, SW,Tick/NHM the most likely scum, since I still can’t see how Hts or fidei can be scum. I know I’m not scum, so that leaves me Grokken /SW and Tick.
Out of these 3, I think that the most likely scum is Grokken.
When I look at Grokken's filter, he repeated alot of other players instead of coming on conclusions for himself. He voted very early and left it there, probably because GE was making himself even worse at the time.
However, ever since this post from GE, Grokken went totally on a kind of defensive mode :
On July 16 2015 04:29 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
If he started the argument I wouldn't really bother about it, and if he waited until Fidei himself had decided that I was guilty enough to vote, I wouldn't have noticed it either. What he did to me was see an opening and be proactive about it to protect himself and his filter. He looked like someone who was just waiting for someone to hop off of his Scumbuddy TJ's bandwagon. .
Ofcourse he had to defend himself, given the fact that townie GE died and suspected him, but he hasn't brought anything new either and just only said some words to defend himself.
SW never really said that much, except for one big post on his reasons for GE, which I think wasn’t particularly bad, but as we now know GE was town. His list is basically a summary of what was happening in the game, which could read easily into scum I guess..
As for Tick, I’m not sure what to make of him. Trying the bandwagon on Scott was not a bad idea, and he generally doesn’t come off as that scummy. I’m also wondering what he suddenly sees in TJH, after him saying he has a “big post” coming.. Maybe n00bking is right about his theory about tick/tjh, but it makes it look too easy imo. I don’t think Tick would openly defend another scum while being scum whilst he wasn’t being attacked that greatly.
I still feel like Scott is scum. I feel that he’s here mocking us, I have the feeling that he is watching the whole game, but is just refusing to post,to toy with us.
When he finally posts, he just posts
On July 16 2015 00:25 scott31337 wrote:
I've been really busy as well, but I can't forget to vote this time...We don't need any modkilled townies.
##Vote Tjhuggins
At this time it's 4 for GE and 4 for TJH, he votes TJH without any explanation as to what.
If TJH is scum, then it makes Scott very less likely scum. Since if he’s really afk, then he wouldn’t dare give the TJH the 5th vote as the only other scum.
However if TJH isn’t scum then Scott wouldn’t care who gets lynched between GE and TJH. This would make both “options” we had today not scum and makes it so that we were all voting on townies while the scum was laughing. In this case, it wouldn’t be unpossible that Grokken/SW and Scott are the 2 remaining scum and Scott would vote for the other option (since Grokken/SW already voted for GE, Scott chooses the other). This would make a gap between them for tomorrow and gives one of these 2 an optional attack on either TJH or GE (depending on which got killed during the day) and an pretty easy extra town lynch. This is only if TJH isn’t scum, but maybe I’m overthinking this..
I guess I have to wait on what TJH has to say for himself, but so far it doesn’t look good. However, I think that if TJH isn’t scum, then I think Scott and Grokken are both scum.
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Ugh, sorry for that. I had this typed out in word with normal paragraphs and just copy pasted it here. Got a bit messy
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About the hammering thing, I didn't realize I 'hammered' (had to look it up). I simply told that I would vote temporarily for TJHuggins to pressure him into talking. When I went to bed, I skimmed through the thread, saw that GE only made it worse for him somehow and that TJH had said absolutely nothing and changed my vote to GE as I had told so. I wasn't aware I started an automatic chain reaction.
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So having some free time finally - I did some filter diving -
HtS is top town and nuff said, even her play is there, not going to bother
Fidei looks good too
N00bkingas well.
Grokken looks a bit better from his explanations- and how he didn't just try to scumread me for my activity and actually looked into explanations - and his wording seems natural to me. He's a townlean for now.
WonnaPlay would be the opposite, with top scumming me.
"1] Scott - Gets defended by some people, without him having done anything. I think one of the people talking for him is atleast scum, defending scum. It would also explain the post Sulfurus made about "unvalid vote" and would even explain the night kill on Kelsier (if what you guys saying is true about veterans killing Kelsier).
He isn't even AFK, but because he's afraid from HtS and therefore he is lurking, which raises alarmbells all over the place for me..
2] Ghandi - too sketchy for my taste. The reason I don't have Ghandi on my #1 is that his list looks pretty decent. I'd agree on most points with him there, but who knows if he turns around again after that.. Also his conclusion on Scott being town is totally unwarranted. If Scott turns out to be scum, then Ghandi is one aswell.
3] TJH - made some weird posts during the end of the day regarding the votes, but I could see him being legitimately frustrated about his idea of different rules. I do think that HtS made some solid points, which I can't ignore since she was spot on in the last day. He's also very quiet since that day..
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Well we know Ghandi is town now, as well.
silentwarrior - He seems to believe in his case, and has some decent points - it could be a mafia case trying to get a mislynch, but I just don't feel that (although he was incorrect) - His posts seem okay for now - he's a null/light town read.
Tictock - his last game made me pretty paranoid. He did a quick vote for Wonna (which I don't care for) but there isn't much else that sticks out at me about him. No tunnels either. Null/scumlean
Moosy - so he was the other wagon on D1 - There could be that 1% chance that both wagons were scum, but I'm pretty doubtful - so thats something there. He's got some good thoughts in here - and I believe his anger with the d2 vote wasn't "ninja voted" - townlean
TJH - Not much here to go on - but one of his latest posts -
On July 16 2015 08:11 TJHuggins wrote:
I reviewed the past few days last night but didn't have time to make a big post. I was going to make one today before the day ended but got home late.
I would have voted for Grokken. I think Ghandi was a mistake.
Is pretty bad in my opinion - the votes were pretty interesting at the end - unsure what in his reads have changed either. Null
## Sulfurus / WonnaPlay / Tictock for gamecreds
I'll be around for about 2-3 hours (finally!) so if you have any questions or things you'd like me to check, please let me know - but it's going to pretty bad (Multiple job interviews, friend broke his ankle, and help another friend buy/move/fix a car - all things I did not plan - have been affecting my time here - I apologize)
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Okay, people, I slogged my way through the thread.
My first thought is that it is staggering how much of it is taken up by HTS and n00b. For reasons that have been set out at length, I'm convinced HTS is town, and I agree with HTS that the Sulfurus wagon was as pure as snow. I point this out only because if both of them are still alive at LYLO, I think people should (1) try and get their autographs/shake their hands and congratulate them on one hell of a game, and (2) lynch the living shit out of them. Until we get there, however, we should leave it. They are both clearly extremely strong analysts and if they are not mafia, mafia simply cannot afford to leave them alive through the mid-game. The only thing dissuading them is probably the threat of a medic check (which leads me to think that I'm likely the NK tonight. I hope not though.)
I've written notes on everyone, but honestly I think the scum team is somewhere in Scott, TickTock, TJH and WonnaPlay.
Starting with Scott - the argument is pretty simple. He has mostly AFK'd through the game and he has contributed literally nothing. Ticktock tried to compliment him on the weird copy-paste / colour thing he did, but I just read that as being extremely half-assed.
TickTock has said a bunch of weird things. Top amongst those is wanting to get a medic save on his most scum read player. I'm also still upset that he said that my vote on Sulfurus was somehow ninja, when I telegraphed it a mile in advance. Finally, his voting on Scott then coming off was just bizarre. I don't see a reason to move off a scum read and onto someone you'd been town reading at certain points, just to "make things interesting".
The TJH lynch has been explained at length, and it's almost certainly the correct one. I stopped recording points on him when I got to #7. Also, whereas Ghandi was still trying to solve the game all of D2, TJH did nothing constructive at all.
WonnaPlay is a bit more out of left field, as nobody is scum reading him at the moment. But I think he has been very scummy, for the following reasons:
1. His first list post was just god awful. I've learned a lot about newbie mafia recently from playing a text game with my real life buddies, and one of the classic newbie mafia tells is a list that actually says nothing. LINK. Look in particular at how none of his thoughts actually result in reads, and most end up at a neutral conclusion. The thread was just starting to pick up at that stage, and he may have just felt like he needed to post something.
2. He come back in after the D1 vote and said he would have gone for his top scum read, KSC D1. Fair enough. However, when it comes towards the end of the day, the two wagons were MD and Sulfurus. If I'm town and I've got a choice between a null read and my number two scum read, I'm hammering my scum read every single time, and I'm definitely not just wasting my vote on a third party.
3. He votes on TJH, despite there being rumbles of voting on both of his top scum reads, GE and Scott. And this was when the vote was getting somewhat close.
His last post is a little better (in that it actually seems to be an attempt at reasoning). And while I was writing this, I did come across some things that I initially thought were slips, but actually made sense from a town perspective. Still, of the Grokken/Silent/Wonna triumvirate of "meh", he's the worst. The other two just sound very town-y to me.
Having finished that exercise, I'm not really sure it was worth it. I don't think there's any way that the TJH wagon comes off the rails tomorrow, and I think that is definitely the right move.
I'm going to head home now (I stayed in the office to do this work), but I may not make it home before the Day post. If I day, GGWP all, and say something nice about me at my funeral/NK WIFOM debate.
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In reading my post before I sign off, just want to clarify that I don't think the TJH wagon is coming off the rails, and I don't think that it should. I think that he's scum and that we should lynch him 100%.
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Finally on WonnaPlay (WIFOM alert) KSC was the only one scum reading him.
Yeah okay, so it's a crappy reason, but nobody else has said it yet.
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On July 17 2015 06:39 Fidei86 wrote:
Finally on WonnaPlay (WIFOM alert) KSC was the only one scum reading him.
Yeah okay, so it's a crappy reason, but nobody else has said it yet.
Definitely a WIFOM alert. I also noticed that if the scum team is TJ/SW or TJ/Ticktock, then they could have killed Kelsier to try and frame WonnaPlay or Grokken, since those were his initial scumreads. But...meh. Didn't sound very compelling. Until I have reason to doubt it, I'll just assume that they killed Kelsier because he was one of the 4 who lynched the Godfather, was one of the two veterans from that group of 4, and was one of the two players from that group of 4 who was unlikely to be protected by the Doctor.
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Agree that is by far the most likely explanation.
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On July 17 2015 06:17 scott31337 wrote:
So having some free time finally - I did some filter diving -
WonnaPlay would be the opposite, with top scumming me.
"1] Scott - Gets defended by some people, without him having done anything. I think one of the people talking for him is atleast scum, defending scum. It would also explain the post Sulfurus made about "unvalid vote" and would even explain the night kill on Kelsier (if what you guys saying is true about veterans killing Kelsier).
He isn't even AFK, but because he's afraid from HtS and therefore he is lurking, which raises alarmbells all over the place for me..
2] Ghandi - too sketchy for my taste. The reason I don't have Ghandi on my #1 is that his list looks pretty decent. I'd agree on most points with him there, but who knows if he turns around again after that.. Also his conclusion on Scott being town is totally unwarranted. If Scott turns out to be scum, then Ghandi is one aswell.
3] TJH - made some weird posts during the end of the day regarding the votes, but I could see him being legitimately frustrated about his idea of different rules. I do think that HtS made some solid points, which I can't ignore since she was spot on in the last day. He's also very quiet since that day..
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Well we know Ghandi is town now, as well.
That is an one-way if. That GE was town doesn't mean that you are.
silentwarrior - He seems to believe in his case, and has some decent points - it could be a mafia case trying to get a mislynch, but I just don't feel that (although he was incorrect) - His posts seem okay for now - he's a null/light town read.
He has some decent points? You mean this point?
On July 17 2015 02:13 silentwarrior wrote:
Ok, so as I say before, I still think that TJHuggins and Scott are the most scummiest right now, and that Blue should act on them. I will give answers about what everyone has said about me d1.
So you're agreeing that you're scum and that you should be shot this night?
Tictock - his last game made me pretty paranoid. He did a quick vote for Wonna (which I don't care for) but there isn't much else that sticks out at me about him. No tunnels either. Null/scumlean
You talk about his last game and about a vote,which happened before the game started? You basically say nothing.
Moosy - so he was the other wagon on D1 - There could be that 1% chance that both wagons were scum, but I'm pretty doubtful - so thats something there. He's got some good thoughts in here - and I believe his anger with the d2 vote wasn't "ninja voted" - townlean
His anger wasn't ninja-voted? What do you mean?
He never ninja-voted, it was a mistake. Excuse me if it's my English breaking down, I just have no clue what you mean.
TJH - Not much here to go on - but one of his latest posts - Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 08:11 TJHuggins wrote:
I reviewed the past few days last night but didn't have time to make a big post. I was going to make one today before the day ended but got home late.
I would have voted for Grokken. I think Ghandi was a mistake. Is pretty bad in my opinion - the votes were pretty interesting at the end - unsure what in his reads have changed either. Null
So you have no opinion about any of his earlier posts? You're also unsure what in his reads have changed.. I'll tell you; he's been pretty much afk since end of day 1, so yeah, that changed.
## Sulfurus / WonnaPlay / Tictock for gamecreds
I'll be around for about 2-3 hours (finally!) so if you have any questions or things you'd like me to check, please let me know - but it's going to pretty bad (Multiple job interviews, friend broke his ankle, and help another friend buy/move/fix a car - all things I did not plan - have been affecting my time here - I apologize)
I'm attacking you, so it's understandable you'd try and attack me back. You read TickTock from a previous and pregame as Scum and you read me as scum because I'm scumming you?
I feel bad for your personal stuff and hope you land a job, but it's not only that you're away that I think you're scum. I just wanted you to speak up and see for myself if you're scum or not. That's the reason I didn't join TickTock's wagon to vote for you. However, due to your reasoning and conclusion now, I'm pretty sure that you're scum and that I may just die now..
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Wait Scott made an actual post? Ugh. So much for my reading comprehension. Let me see if I can find it.
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Disappointed to discover that Scott's one post has all the same reads I do. Not sure what to make of that really.
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