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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 10 2015 03:04 GMT
#4503
On July 08 2015 15:03 rsoultin wrote:
look ruxx i attempted to get you to engage with me. you refused.

you claim to be asking me questions that i not only already answered, but after i said as much you said you were trying to convince everyone ELSE which by definition means you didn't give a flying shit what i responded in the first place

maybe this is some en masse hf channeling thing where all "townies" think tunneling and sniping at players is the same as questioning them/pressuring them, but if you want me to actually address your concerns (lol concerns ><)

1. actually phrase them in a way where it's not obvious you've already made up your mind
2. actually read my responses to the questions you've already asked and i've already answered
3. engage with me on your other reads cause you won't convince me i'm scum, and you're not posting in a way that would actually help determine my alignment; you're flat-out tunneling

case and point? you literally have no other scumreads right now

like i don't see how this is townplay, but obviously i'm biased

(btw it's not thread derailment to call shit reasoning and pretend "questioning" shit. you already revealed your hand by saying you weren't trying to engage with me in the first place. also, kindly don't refer to your paraphrasing as "fact" that's just ridiculous)

i'll try to get a reads list up tonight at least lol ><


This post sticks out to me a lot in rsoul's filter, because it has absolutely no point and I don't understand the point of it.

The first part is actually a legitimate concern: "Hey this guy is asking me leading questions, giving 0 fucks about my replies, and just pushing an agenda"; followed by complaining, more complaining, a pot calling a kettle black cuz I don't really know rsoul's reads, then she discredits her entire post by saying "could be wrong cuz bias" (....doesn't town rsoul have more conviction than that?) and then caps it off with an undelivered promise of reads.

i just don't understand the post. it makes no legitimate attempt to place lynch pressure on ruxxar, doesn't really develop a read, doesn't definitively state anything, and then promises something that never happens...
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 10 2015 03:05 GMT
#4504
On July 10 2015 12:02 milo109 wrote:
rsoul Sigh. Town. Hate myself
Breshke Sigh. Town
kelsier Sigh. Town
waveofshadow mafialean
vivax mafialean
boxer Mafia
trfel town


could you give a sentence about why on each? or am i pushing for too much here babycakes?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 10 2015 03:11 GMT
#4506
regarding the town rsoul having conviction:

On July 08 2015 07:52 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 07:44 ruXxar wrote:
@rsoultin.

HF, was putting pressure on trfel. And well founded pressure too with the way trfel has been playing this game.
Putting pressure on people is a good thing, it's an excellent tool for extracting information.
Yet you seem to have a problem with people putting pressure on trfel, and you guard him like a watch dog.

The issue is not that you came with your opinion on trfel, that is completely fine and legit.
The problem is that you acted irrationally and actively tried to disrupt and deny us information out of Trfel.
When someone observes a contradiction or inconsistency in what people say and they question them about it, the most anti-town thing you can do is try to interject and derail the questioning, which is exactly what you did.

Tell me this, why are you defending Trfel when he is perfectly capable of defending himself?
Furthermore, he might be mafia, so why are you so adamant about defending someone without knowing their alignment?
Your goal as town should be to get as much information out of anyone as to form a basis of judgement on.
Blindly defending people as town is an incredibly bad way to play.

Combined with your other actions this game, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.


do you even begin to realize how difficult it is for me to even bother finish reading this pile of shit when it's clear you didn't bother to actually READ our interaction?

go away, or actually fact check your own fucking claims

i've answered all your leading questions already

i've formed my judgment on truffle and until i actually see anything to indicate otherwise, you can bite me

i was right on gb. i was right on damdy. i was right on bugs. i was right on hf. i was right on you. and i was right on wave and oats. but instead of CONSIDERING after seeing my play last game and losing the game while ignoring my advice in your newbie, that i might actually have a good fucking toneread on truffle you try to paint it as me denying information?

lol ><
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 10 2015 03:12 GMT
#4508
@HF: your vote is not on damdred last i checked, why? are you considering if he could be town making some derp plays or is it more to do with milo being more mafia?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 10 2015 03:29 GMT
#4511
Sorry about this following brick of text, but I need to post it for me to look at for now and the future. Hopefully some conclusions to come from it.

On July 08 2015 05:18 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote Count


Milo109 (7): rsoultin, Scott31337, Holyflare, KelsierSC, Harkon, ruXxar, Half the Sky
ritoky (7): Palmar, Bill Murray, Clarity_nl, Oatsmaster, marvellosity, geript, boxerfred
Trfel (2): XEliteBlueHunter69X, Vivax
Half the sky (2): milo109, ritoky
Scott31337 (1): Breshke
Clarity_nl (1): Damdred

Not Voting (5): WaveofShadow, Meapak_Ziphh, Trfel, LightningStrike, ObiWanShinobi

Currently, no one is set to be lynched. With 25 alive it takes 13 to lynch. Day ends at Tuesday, Jul 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .

Voting is Mandatory! Voting is done in the voting thread: (link)


On July 08 2015 05:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote Count


Meapak_Ziphh (7): Holyflare, ObiWanShinobi, geript, marvellosity, ruXxar, Harkon, ritoky
ritoky (6): Palmar, Bill Murray, Clarity_nl, Oatsmaster, boxerfred, trfel
Milo109 (4): rsoultin, Scott3133, KelsierSC, Half the Sky
Trfel (2): XEliteBlueHunter69X, Vivax
Clarity_nl (2): Damdred, Meapak_Ziphh
Scott31337 (1): Breshke
Half the sky (1): milo109

Not Voting (2): WaveofShadow, LightningStrike

Currently, no one is set to be lynched. With 25 alive it takes 13 to lynch. Day ends at Tuesday, Jul 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .

Voting is Mandatory! Voting is done in the voting thread: (link)


On July 08 2015 06:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote Count


Meapak_Ziphh (16): Holyflare, ObiWanShinobi, marvellosity, ruXxar, Harkon, ritoky, scott31337, boxerfred, Vivax, Half the Sky, milo109, WaveofShadow, LightningStrike, rsoultin, Clarity_nl, breshke
ritoky (4): Palmar, Bill Murray, Oatsmaster, trfel
Clarity_nl (2): Damdred, Meapak_Ziphh
Bill Murray (1): geript
Milo109 (1): KelsierSC
Trfel (1): XEliteBlueHunter69X

Not Voting (0):

Currently, Meapak_Ziphh is set to be lynched. With 25 alive it takes 13 to lynch. Day ends at Tuesday, Jul 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .

Voting is Mandatory! Voting is done in the voting thread: (link)


On July 08 2015 07:01 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote Count


Bill Murray (17): geript, Holyflare, rsoultin, Clarity_nl, Damdred, Scot31337 Half the Sky, Ritoky, Breshke, LightningStrike, KelsierSC, Meapak_Ziphh, Harkon, marvellosity, ruXxar, boxerfred, ObiWanShinobi
Meapak_Ziphh (3): Vivax, milo109, WaveofShadow
ritoky (4): Palmar, Bill Murray, Oatsmaster, trfel
Trfel (1): XEliteBlueHunter69X

Not Voting (0):

Currently, BM is set to be lynched. With 25 alive it takes 13 to lynch. Day ends at Tuesday, Jul 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .

Voting is Mandatory! Voting is done in the voting thread: (link)


On July 10 2015 08:55 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote Count


Damdred (16): XEliteBlueHunter69X, scott31337, Harkon, Half the Sky, rsoultin, WaveofShadow, ruXxar, LightningStrike, geript, Boxerfred, Meapak_Ziphh, KelsierSC, ObiWanShinobi, trfel, marvellosity, clarity_nl
Milo109 (2): Holyflare, Breshke
Clarity_nl (1): Damdred
Holyflare (1): Milo109

Not Voting (2): vivax, ritoky

Currently, Damdred is set to be lynched. With 23 alive it takes 12 to lynch. Day ends at Friday, Jul 10 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .

Voting is Mandatory! Voting is done in the voting thread: (link)
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 10 2015 03:39 GMT
#4514
@Damdred, after you answer this:

On July 10 2015 10:57 ritoky wrote:
What was the goal of your play there Damdred? On the off chance you're town, what reaction or information were you hoping to gain from that claim?


please answer this:

On July 08 2015 00:39 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 00:37 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 08 2015 00:35 Damdred wrote:
Honestly we should stop scatter gunning the conversation and focus on a couple of people to decide t o lynch, majority sucks honestly but we have to work within it.


So who's on your "ok to lynch" list other than me?


You
Trfel
Wave

I wanted to lynch LS earlier, but idk it could be a bad read based on a meta hes trying to break i'd rather give him the night so i can look into his actions a bit more.


What happened to this? Why have you mentioned literal 0 of these people today if this is your scum list from the previous day?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 10 2015 03:46 GMT
#4517
some things of interest to me from that list of votes at a glance:
- clarity and rsoul were slow onto MZ, but quick onto BM
- oats, trfel, and EBH had planted votes
- ruxxar and boxerfred are never near the front of any lynch

i have to take a break for a bit, but i will bang my head into walls of text more later hopefully.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 10 2015 03:48 GMT
#4518
oh, breshke also kinda fits in with ruxx and BF as late onto wagons
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 10 2015 17:49 GMT
#4775
voted damdred, off to work.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 11 2015 00:14 GMT
#5051
#confirmedlyfe

be back after usa hopefully stomps on haiti
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 11 2015 04:08 GMT
#5211
i think i am just gonna save up all my energy for a legacy post since i am pretty much dying 99% of the time tonight. unless people would prefer me to do otherwise.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 11 2015 16:55 GMT
#5463
honestly, there's probably a mafia between rsoul and hf; might not be a bad strat to consider lynching both

#shrekt
#stupidshityoucansaywhenconfirmed
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 11 2015 17:05 GMT
#5468
townlyfe:
ritoky
geript
LS

I would be there's exactly 1 mafia in this group:
harkon
marv
HF
rsoul

Top town read since forever:
OWS

Shitty reason for thinking is really cop:
milo

Probably not mafia cuz meta:
ruxxar
scott

People left (3 mafia prob in here):
waveofshadow
clarity
vivax
boxerfred
MZ
trfel
KSC
breshke
oats
hts
XEBHX

Most likely mafia from above list:
trfel
ksc
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 11 2015 17:18 GMT
#5472
On July 12 2015 02:11 Harkon wrote:
Did you ever out your shitty reason for milo? I see no reason not to.


On July 09 2015 14:25 ritoky wrote:
This post is the reason why I really think milo is also a cop:

Someone was bugging him about limitations on his shots and he responded:

Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 04:40 milo109 wrote:
No restrictions I dont think


I am afraid to explain it much more than that cuz of rules.


I still don't think I can explain it much more, but I can say this for context: I had already previously responded with "no" to the question a decent bit before milo posted this response to the same question so the lack of certainty if he is fake claiming is kinda ???????
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 11 2015 17:19 GMT
#5473
and once again shots = checks but i am bad @ engrishing
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 11 2015 17:27 GMT
#5478
On July 12 2015 02:24 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2015 02:05 ritoky wrote:
townlyfe:
ritoky
geript
LS

I would be there's exactly 1 mafia in this group:
harkon
marv
HF
rsoul

Top town read since forever:
OWS

Shitty reason for thinking is really cop:
milo

Probably not mafia cuz meta:
ruxxar
scott

People left (3 mafia prob in here):
waveofshadow
clarity
vivax
boxerfred
MZ
trfel
KSC
breshke
oats
hts
XEBHX

Most likely mafia from above list:
trfel
ksc


hey, rit...what's your meta read on scott? i went through his games earlier and couldn't find anything definitive one way or the other


his kinda poopy list posts

or stuff that looks
like this and
is kinda a bitch to read

are pretty much identical to the way he was posting in the past newbie student game where i was a coach (he subbed into the game so it might not be in db) in which he was town.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 11 2015 17:34 GMT
#5480
On July 12 2015 02:22 Harkon wrote:
But anyways. We will deal with him tomorrow - if there is a vig shoot MZ instead.

Why do you think MZ could be town btw, ritoky?


He could be town cuz he insulted people after basically not being here, read the thread upon re-entry, wanted a lynch that was not a primary wagon (could be tmi), and hasn't fucked off entirely. I think I have played 1 game with MZ when he was mafia and he legit just fucked off to dodge out on conversations he didn't wanna be a part of. He also seemed really obsessed with KSC, which probably means they aren't together....and I think KSC is kinda pretty mafia.

If he is mafia, it is cuz of shit like this:

On July 08 2015 09:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 09:43 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 08 2015 09:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ohh also the post here:
On July 08 2015 02:58 Vivax wrote:
Would lynch Wave.

He didn't do jack all to push something. As town he should compose a certain threat level to scum players but i I were scum this game I would just assume he's a docile sheep that won't hurt me, simply cause he'd be on my team.

There's a bit of questioning there, a few townreads here, an angry vote on HF somewhere, but I totallly don't get a vibe of ambition to find the mafia from his posts.


zero follow up after this and given how wave has been playing it smells like scum vivax throwing out a safe read onto a fellow red who is in no danger of being lynched (wave).

But more on Wave later.
<3 5ever mang but I haven't seen the sunshine and rainbows I was expecting in your filter


i would now be interested in your read on damdred

tell me what you think

I'm on page 123, he hasn't had any posts that gave me serious concern that I remember. Null town? I feel like he had a post where he shared some suspicions I had.



On July 08 2015 09:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 09:49 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 08 2015 09:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 08 2015 09:43 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 08 2015 09:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ohh also the post here:
On July 08 2015 02:58 Vivax wrote:
Would lynch Wave.

He didn't do jack all to push something. As town he should compose a certain threat level to scum players but i I were scum this game I would just assume he's a docile sheep that won't hurt me, simply cause he'd be on my team.

There's a bit of questioning there, a few townreads here, an angry vote on HF somewhere, but I totallly don't get a vibe of ambition to find the mafia from his posts.


zero follow up after this and given how wave has been playing it smells like scum vivax throwing out a safe read onto a fellow red who is in no danger of being lynched (wave).

But more on Wave later.
<3 5ever mang but I haven't seen the sunshine and rainbows I was expecting in your filter


i would now be interested in your read on damdred

tell me what you think

I'm on page 123, he hasn't had any posts that gave me serious concern that I remember. Null town? I feel like he had a post where he shared some suspicions I had.


do you have any thoughts on rsoul or LS

sorry to keep distracing you

I think rsoultin is probably town and I also think the RS/HF dispute is green on green.

idk about LS, not really on my radar but probably worth a read through when I finish.

“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 11 2015 17:38 GMT
#5482
On July 12 2015 02:21 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2015 02:18 ritoky wrote:
On July 12 2015 02:11 Harkon wrote:
Did you ever out your shitty reason for milo? I see no reason not to.


On July 09 2015 14:25 ritoky wrote:
This post is the reason why I really think milo is also a cop:

Someone was bugging him about limitations on his shots and he responded:

On July 08 2015 04:40 milo109 wrote:
No restrictions I dont think


I am afraid to explain it much more than that cuz of rules.


I still don't think I can explain it much more, but I can say this for context: I had already previously responded with "no" to the question a decent bit before milo posted this response to the same question so the lack of certainty if he is fake claiming is kinda ???????

Sorry, but that's really a shitty reason.


there's shitty good and shitty bad and then there's crusted shit that you can't wash off.

this read is probably the 3rd.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 11 2015 17:42 GMT
#5484
To me, trfel and ksc are high priority lynches and likely scum because normally I view their thread engagement as very high. They aren't exactly voluminous posters, but they have their finger on the pulse of the thread and demonstrate a high level of comprehension and engagement with what is going on. Neither one feels particularly engaged to me, and both seem pretty stagnant. Would lynch.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 23 2015 02:32 GMT
#8830
On July 23 2015 11:31 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2015 11:18 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yeah it's not. You're friends with someone outside the game it's gonna affect inside the game, regardless of gender.
I don't think anyone is denying some people treat women different from men, that's just kinda the way it is, and seeing as this game is about people you have to take that into account.

I'm an example of this as well. I knowingly treat women differently. I try to accommodate the likely slight difference in preferences from me, though I am aware that it may be counter to what is actually preferable.

This is unconscious in the moment, even though I am aware it happens.


Slam also treats me differently. He caresses my cheek, and holds me tight through the night in his tender embrace.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
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