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On July 08 2015 07:50 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 07:50 Clarity_nl wrote:
He hasn't flipped yet? Or am I just dumb? I just double checked... He flipped wanderer.
Oh it's the last post of a page and I somehow missed it.
Welp good night then. I'll do some work this night cycle and get my thoughts in order
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On July 08 2015 15:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Eh, maybe.
I want to see what he says about it. I feel like there's probably a reason behind it but I'm unaware of what it is.
On July 08 2015 15:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 15:10 ritoky wrote:On July 08 2015 15:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 08 2015 14:57 ritoky wrote:On July 08 2015 14:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Well marv told him to sheep him.
Which is usually enough for almost anyone, so I don't know if that read flip is as damning as I first thought. On July 08 2015 06:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Consolodating on mz okay gotcha
##Vote Meapak_ziphh On July 08 2015 06:28 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 08 2015 06:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 08 2015 06:22 Harkon wrote:On July 08 2015 06:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
lol decided to refresh the vote thread and discovered I'm being killed. I'm currently on page 57, I legitimately have not read this thread. The vote on Clarity was so I didn't get modkilled as he was the scummiest person I found in the first 5 pages.
Top scum reads right now are clarity, milo, and trfel. There are also probably a red or two in the beginning of my wagon as well as the end of my wagon. I'm going to keep catching up but I'll leave another tab open with the current page and refresh it every so often. Maybe next time you start reading the thread before it is almost deadline. forgot the game started homes my bad I do apologize to everyone bc I was looking forward to playing this game and I hate folks who do what I did but w/e shit happens. In other news, look very hard at the last 10 people who have voted for me after I flip. I'm actually willing to switch back to ritoky if there's enough people around. independent of marv here. Still doesn't really seem that weird. rsoul thinks so, why don't you? he mechanically explained why it was bad, then did went back on said mechanics to sheep marv, then after he didn't want to lynch MZ defaulted back to me contrary to what he already said. how is that not odd? I rethought it and I think that it could be.
On July 08 2015 15:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 15:15 ritoky wrote:On July 08 2015 15:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 08 2015 15:10 ritoky wrote:On July 08 2015 15:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 08 2015 14:57 ritoky wrote:On July 08 2015 14:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Well marv told him to sheep him.
Which is usually enough for almost anyone, so I don't know if that read flip is as damning as I first thought. On July 08 2015 06:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Consolodating on mz okay gotcha
##Vote Meapak_ziphh On July 08 2015 06:28 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 08 2015 06:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 08 2015 06:22 Harkon wrote:On July 08 2015 06:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
lol decided to refresh the vote thread and discovered I'm being killed. I'm currently on page 57, I legitimately have not read this thread. The vote on Clarity was so I didn't get modkilled as he was the scummiest person I found in the first 5 pages.
Top scum reads right now are clarity, milo, and trfel. There are also probably a red or two in the beginning of my wagon as well as the end of my wagon. I'm going to keep catching up but I'll leave another tab open with the current page and refresh it every so often. Maybe next time you start reading the thread before it is almost deadline. forgot the game started homes my bad I do apologize to everyone bc I was looking forward to playing this game and I hate folks who do what I did but w/e shit happens. In other news, look very hard at the last 10 people who have voted for me after I flip. I'm actually willing to switch back to ritoky if there's enough people around. independent of marv here. Still doesn't really seem that weird. rsoul thinks so, why don't you? he mechanically explained why it was bad, then did went back on said mechanics to sheep marv, then after he didn't want to lynch MZ defaulted back to me contrary to what he already said. how is that not odd? I rethought it and I think that it could be. I gave my reasons, your turn. I did the same already. I think his votes are nonsensical and scummy. Oats already quoted the first bit where he voted MZ because he signed up and forgot and that made him mafia somehow (lol).
Here's how I remember the last hour of day 1.
So I sheeped marv onto ritoky. I was fine with the lynch but I was wondering if maybe keeping him alive to hinder scum in case he's town was a good play, but as marv said it's probably not enough, combined with no real better realistic options in my mind after some thought I agreed and hopped aboard the ritoky train.
I come back and it's about 45min to lynch time (I expected it to be 1h45m but I'm dumb I guess) I see MZ has voted me and said nothing, I'm quickly reading through the thread and figure that although there is a good chance there's scum between the cop claims, that will partially resolve itself through the night so with a better lynch on the the table I get on it.
MZ actually starts posting and explaining he forgot the game started etc etc I don't remember what it was but I kinda believed him, then someone pointed out that he had to type /confirm and I went oh, well he's scum then kill it with fire. Someone else pointed out the /confirm was 30/06 and then I kinda waffled on him but stuck to it. I don't remember who brought it up but someone pointed out a BM lynch is pretty similar to an MZ lynch, and I figured between the two I'd rather have someone who will have to contribute from now on compared to someone who is just always going to be a lurker lynch.
In my memory all my vote-switches make tons of sense, so I don't quite see what the issue is?
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I'm happy with the switch to BM btw, I'm fairly confident MZ is town just by his whole "I don't wanna lynch BM" which I just don't see happening from scum. Scum would have voted BM and stopped talking at the first hint of town wanting to switch.
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On July 08 2015 16:02 Oatsmaster wrote:Also, "im happy lynching town". Mr Clarity.
That's not how this game works and you know it.
Yeah in hindsight would I have rather lynched someone who's not, at this point, confirmed town? Sure. Did we have that information at the time? No.
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On July 08 2015 16:02 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 16:01 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm happy with the switch to BM btw, I'm fairly confident MZ is town just by his whole "I don't wanna lynch BM" which I just don't see happening from scum. Scum would have voted BM and stopped talking at the first hint of town wanting to switch. How about he knew that his posts meant absolutely nothing and werent gonna convince anyone.
It doesn't matter. When you are scum and there's only one way to not die you take it. He didn't take it and did some non-sensical waffle thing.
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On July 08 2015 17:17 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 16:05 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 08 2015 16:02 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 16:01 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm happy with the switch to BM btw, Also, "im happy lynching town". Mr Clarity. That's not how this game works and you know it. Yeah in hindsight would I have rather lynched someone who's not, at this point, confirmed town? Sure. Did we have that information at the time? No. TMI. You dont know whether MZ is town.
I know that reading comprehension is hard. So I'll spell it out for you.
I was talking about BM, duh.
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On July 08 2015 17:17 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 16:06 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 08 2015 16:02 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 16:01 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm happy with the switch to BM btw, I'm fairly confident MZ is town just by his whole "I don't wanna lynch BM" which I just don't see happening from scum. Scum would have voted BM and stopped talking at the first hint of town wanting to switch. How about he knew that his posts meant absolutely nothing and werent gonna convince anyone. It doesn't matter. When you are scum and there's only one way to not die you take it. He didn't take it and did some non-sensical waffle thing. Are you even looking at the votes? BM got lynched by a huge margin in the end.
Yeah, that's what happens when you look at the votes and not the context.
The switch barely happened. I remember someone asking "should we switch back?!" when we had about 11 minutes left, and MZ was still not on BM. It was only a landslide once we hit 13 when people switched to make sure a lynch happened.
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On July 08 2015 17:16 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 15:54 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 08 2015 15:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Eh, maybe.
I want to see what he says about it. I feel like there's probably a reason behind it but I'm unaware of what it is. On July 08 2015 15:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 08 2015 15:10 ritoky wrote:On July 08 2015 15:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 08 2015 14:57 ritoky wrote:On July 08 2015 14:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Well marv told him to sheep him.
Which is usually enough for almost anyone, so I don't know if that read flip is as damning as I first thought. On July 08 2015 06:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Consolodating on mz okay gotcha
##Vote Meapak_ziphh On July 08 2015 06:28 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 08 2015 06:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 08 2015 06:22 Harkon wrote:On July 08 2015 06:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
lol decided to refresh the vote thread and discovered I'm being killed. I'm currently on page 57, I legitimately have not read this thread. The vote on Clarity was so I didn't get modkilled as he was the scummiest person I found in the first 5 pages.
Top scum reads right now are clarity, milo, and trfel. There are also probably a red or two in the beginning of my wagon as well as the end of my wagon. I'm going to keep catching up but I'll leave another tab open with the current page and refresh it every so often. Maybe next time you start reading the thread before it is almost deadline. forgot the game started homes my bad I do apologize to everyone bc I was looking forward to playing this game and I hate folks who do what I did but w/e shit happens. In other news, look very hard at the last 10 people who have voted for me after I flip. I'm actually willing to switch back to ritoky if there's enough people around. independent of marv here. Still doesn't really seem that weird. rsoul thinks so, why don't you? he mechanically explained why it was bad, then did went back on said mechanics to sheep marv, then after he didn't want to lynch MZ defaulted back to me contrary to what he already said. how is that not odd? I rethought it and I think that it could be. On July 08 2015 15:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 08 2015 15:15 ritoky wrote:On July 08 2015 15:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 08 2015 15:10 ritoky wrote:On July 08 2015 15:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 08 2015 14:57 ritoky wrote:On July 08 2015 14:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Well marv told him to sheep him.
Which is usually enough for almost anyone, so I don't know if that read flip is as damning as I first thought. On July 08 2015 06:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Consolodating on mz okay gotcha
##Vote Meapak_ziphh On July 08 2015 06:28 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 08 2015 06:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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forgot the game started homes my bad
I do apologize to everyone bc I was looking forward to playing this game and I hate folks who do what I did but w/e shit happens.
In other news, look very hard at the last 10 people who have voted for me after I flip. I'm actually willing to switch back to ritoky if there's enough people around. independent of marv here. Still doesn't really seem that weird. rsoul thinks so, why don't you? he mechanically explained why it was bad, then did went back on said mechanics to sheep marv, then after he didn't want to lynch MZ defaulted back to me contrary to what he already said. how is that not odd? I rethought it and I think that it could be. I gave my reasons, your turn. I did the same already. I think his votes are nonsensical and scummy. Oats already quoted the first bit where he voted MZ because he signed up and forgot and that made him mafia somehow (lol). Here's how I remember the last hour of day 1. So I sheeped marv onto ritoky. I was fine with the lynch but I was wondering if maybe keeping him alive to hinder scum in case he's town was a good play, but as marv said it's probably not enough, combined with no real better realistic options in my mind after some thought I agreed and hopped aboard the ritoky train. I come back and it's about 45min to lynch time (I expected it to be 1h45m but I'm dumb I guess) I see MZ has voted me and said nothing, I'm quickly reading through the thread and figure that although there is a good chance there's scum between the cop claims, that will partially resolve itself through the night so with a better lynch on the the table I get on it. MZ actually starts posting and explaining he forgot the game started etc etc I don't remember what it was but I kinda believed him, then someone pointed out that he had to type /confirm and I went oh, well he's scum then kill it with fire. Someone else pointed out the /confirm was 30/06 and then I kinda waffled on him but stuck to it. I don't remember who brought it up but someone pointed out a BM lynch is pretty similar to an MZ lynch, and I figured between the two I'd rather have someone who will have to contribute from now on compared to someone who is just always going to be a lurker lynch. In my memory all my vote-switches make tons of sense, so I don't quite see what the issue is? Pretty formulaic explanation and also disregards BM's claim entirely. Not impressed here.
What were you expecting? My thoughts were my thoughts, want me to dress it up pretty?
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On July 08 2015 18:07 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 17:40 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 08 2015 17:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 16:06 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 08 2015 16:02 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 16:01 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm happy with the switch to BM btw, I'm fairly confident MZ is town just by his whole "I don't wanna lynch BM" which I just don't see happening from scum. Scum would have voted BM and stopped talking at the first hint of town wanting to switch. How about he knew that his posts meant absolutely nothing and werent gonna convince anyone. It doesn't matter. When you are scum and there's only one way to not die you take it. He didn't take it and did some non-sensical waffle thing. Are you even looking at the votes? BM got lynched by a huge margin in the end. Yeah, that's what happens when you look at the votes and not the context. The switch barely happened. I remember someone asking "should we switch back?!" when we had about 11 minutes left, and MZ was still not on BM. It was only a landslide once we hit 13 when people switched to make sure a lynch happened. But MZ is town because he didnt switch when he didnt need to switch. That makes perfect sense. Actually I just wanna ask you, as of now, would you prefer that we lynched MZ instead?
That's actually kinda tough to answer.
I think I'm confident enough in MZ being town that I'd rather have lynched BM even knowing he would flip town. Maybe that makes me bad.
The questions you're asking me are kinda pointless tho.
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marv did you switch to BM because you thought he was the better lynch or because you were pressured into it/didn't want to risk no-lynching?
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You didn't stop the switch, though. Like you kinda umm'd and ahh'd and let it happen.
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On July 08 2015 18:31 marvellosity wrote:
Really fucking hate people who bitch about lynches while not giving a fuck about it themselves.
makes me want to shoot them in the face.
Huh? Is that directed at me?
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On July 08 2015 18:33 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 18:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 08 2015 18:31 marvellosity wrote:
Really fucking hate people who bitch about lynches while not giving a fuck about it themselves.
makes me want to shoot them in the face. Huh? Is that directed at me? no it was at EBD, fairly obviously. and no i didn't do anything about the switch, do you expect me to have massively persuasive arguments in favour/against either MZ or BM?
Fair point. So if there's no strong argument for or against, why do you think MZ was the better lynch?
How do you feel about him now? Just trying to get a sense.
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Right, but his reads were in fact based on early day 1 which kinda suggests he didn't read the thread which makes it more likely he's telling the truth about not being around until EoD.
I guess that's NAI... but I think if you roll scum and you come back with an hour or so before deadline is your approach really to vote your first scumread, then argue in thread about how the only lynch other than you is bad?
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I mean if I show up THAT late and notice I've rolled scum there's a good chance I would only put in effort if I survived the lynch, not before. But I can't expect MZ to be the same as me. It's still a townlean for me, but you have a point
Anyway I'm around for most of the day, but I'm not gonna do heavy filter diving or anything until tonight.
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I don't subscribe to the "he did it because it was the most convoluted way to make him live" argument to be honest. Just seems way less likely than the simpler explanation. He told the truth about not knowing the game had started and he just kinda frantically read the thread and gave our reads as he went, that seems like town to me.
Would you still want to lynch him tomorrow?
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I'm gonna reread and then filterdive before tea, expect great things! I am in fact reading the thread so if someone wants to chat, ya know, I'll respond.
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boxerfred I disagree with your Kelsier and HF reads quite a bit. Especially Kelsier, without meta, looks extremely townie to me. Like the towniest town that ever towned
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On July 08 2015 23:45 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 23:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
boxerfred I disagree with your Kelsier and HF reads quite a bit. Especially Kelsier, without meta, looks extremely townie to me. Like the towniest town that ever towned Hm marv said the same but I don't see it. Please point it out to me why exactly he is "the towniest town that ever towned". If that's so obvious it should be easy to do so, right? Another question: you did realize that I currently give HF a town lean and only go back to EOD because I want to solidify that read and hope to maybe find something that gives me a clue about marv? I mean marv should look townie to me at this point but I have a hard time believing it all. Can't give reasons for that sadly, more a feeling I guess.
Oh, alright cool.
Kelsier has just been extremely involved. His progression through the thread makes total sense and he genuinely looks like he's trying to figure out the game and put effort in. I don't really see what at all could possibly make him scummy. Like if you held a gun to my head and forced me to make a case on him I guess I could but.
The list of reads where he has town: breshke, oats, geript, HF and scum: ritoky trefl and half wave aligned with my thoughts at the time quite well. and he read me town which he really didn't have to do if he were scum as it was against thread sentiment at the time.
But the biggest argument is just the involvement and effort, really.
On July 08 2015 23:46 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 23:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
boxerfred I disagree with your Kelsier and HF reads quite a bit. Especially Kelsier, without meta, looks extremely townie to me. Like the towniest town that ever towned Another thing is that you say "without meta" well without meta my points on kelsier are rather invalid. So you might consider to check his town meta in Himalaya with his meta in here and drop an opinion on that.
I'll do that at some point if needed but it's not really high on my list.
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On July 08 2015 23:58 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 23:56 boxerfred wrote:On July 08 2015 23:51 marvellosity wrote:On July 08 2015 23:51 boxerfred wrote:On July 08 2015 23:48 marvellosity wrote:
i'm probably the most obvious townie that's ever been seen, so you should probably work on your reading ability I'm just having trust issues. You know, I got mislynched once. Or twice. that doesn't make sense. especially as i've not been hostile towards you at all. Yeah that's right, same thought came to my mind. Okay I trust you. I think scum marv would've had it way easier just attacking me (since we played some games already together, you probably know how fast I can get myself into deep shit when I'm emotional) instead of arguing reasonably with me. Also I like how you always bring up ritoky, very consistent. i just find it very weird how you're unable to townread me. like it's the scummiest thing you've done by far. but i didn't mind your other posts. *shrug*
Your scumgame is kinda good and makes me want to never get burned again.
But yeah I think you're town
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