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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 08 2015 22:12 GMT
#3630
On phone @ work. Roleblocked, tried to inv WoS; power was refunded so I still have my 1-shot investigate. Back later.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 09 2015 03:00 GMT
#3789
On July 09 2015 08:30 Damdred wrote:
Jk can be offensive and defensive shrug, I really could care more but I won't fuck town over completely by leaving no reads


Why did you choose to jail me?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 09 2015 03:09 GMT
#3800
On July 09 2015 12:07 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 12:06 milo109 wrote:
Lol. What if Ritoky is mafia and Damdred is bad town and managed to somehow stop a kp. I know. It didn't happen. But would be hilarious.


How do you know it didn't exactly?


Because there is no way scum would use me to deliver KP, I was a high priority person to be targeted by abilities last night. I am still working it out, but I think geript and I are pretty much confirmed town.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 09 2015 03:58 GMT
#3825
Running through this:

ritoky claims rb'd
milo claims rb'd
geript claims track damdred -> ritoky
damdred confirms -> ritoky
damdred claims JK

In the night there is 1 kp on palmar and a banish notification on marv. 1 kp missing.

Damdred claiming a role and confirming he visited me means that geript is either confirmed tracker or mafia with damdred in some tinfoil world. Going with the simple solution for now and geript conf town unless tinfoil needed late in game.

The missing kp could mean a couple things.
1) Damdred is JK and stopped mafia from killing ritoky
2) Damdred is scum RB, targeted me; KP used on marv or other protected target
3) Damdred is JK or scum RB; KP was carried by marv
4) Damdred is JK and stopped scum ritoky from delivering KP

From these explanations, I know 4 is false but if you need a reason it is this: I am good enough as mafia to not allow my team to have me deliver the KP last night. #3 is also probably false because Marv has enough of an ego to believe he would be targeted by a JK or a banisher based on his play so he wouldn't risk putting kp on himself.

Which to me says me and geript are confirmed. Does this make sense or have I not thought this out properly?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 09 2015 04:06 GMT
#3828
On July 09 2015 13:05 geript wrote:
Sorry Ritoky, but you're actually the perfect mafia player to deliver 1 KP. No town player with half a brain roleblocks a claimed cop without a magic read.


Could not disagree with you more mechanically.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 09 2015 04:21 GMT
#3831
On July 09 2015 13:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 13:05 geript wrote:
Sorry Ritoky, but you're actually the perfect mafia player to deliver 1 KP. No town player with half a brain roleblocks a claimed cop without a magic read.


I agree.


This is why I win so much as mafia, I don't let plays like this happen lol. It is mechanically inferior to put a KP on a target of mass discussion and likely target of abilities. Particularly in games w/ potential trackers.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 09 2015 05:13 GMT
#3844
On July 09 2015 14:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
Scum might have a vig.



No, it's not in the role list.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 09 2015 05:21 GMT
#3851
Meh, I really think milo is the cop for a absolutely stupid reason and I haven't really budged on it.

I am super tired, but as of right now I am leaning towards believing all the claims and lynching outside them. I am also SUPER wary of HF not being targeted N1...but if it was something like Palmar and Marv as the targets I suppose I can hold off on that paranoia 1 more day.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 09 2015 05:25 GMT
#3853
This post is the reason why I really think milo is also a cop:

Someone was bugging him about limitations on his shots and he responded:

On July 08 2015 04:40 milo109 wrote:
No restrictions I dont think


I am afraid to explain it much more than that cuz of rules.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 09 2015 05:25 GMT
#3855
shots, checks, w/e same shit.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 09 2015 05:30 GMT
#3858
On July 09 2015 14:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 14:21 ritoky wrote:
Meh, I really think milo is the cop for a absolutely stupid reason and I haven't really budged on it.

I am super tired, but as of right now I am leaning towards believing all the claims and lynching outside them. I am also SUPER wary of HF not being targeted N1...but if it was something like Palmar and Marv as the targets I suppose I can hold off on that paranoia 1 more day.


So this is the only world that can be true in:

Scum kp palmar + ritoky.
damdred JK > ritoky
Scum roleblock > milo

That's the conclusion I got to too, it's the whole basis of my case. Milo does not recognize this is the only world that exists for town!milo other than scum having two roleblockers, which he himself says is not possible.

How can you say both you and milo are cops and then expect scum to shoot palmar+marv and give one of you guys a check.

They would only do this if they were able to roleblock both of you, which is only true if damdred is mafia roleblocker.

You should absolutely not want to lynch outside of the claims.


scum kp -> marv + palmar
damdred jk -> rit
scum rb -> milo

also works

and allowing a cop to get a check in a 25 man game isn't a horrible thing...i would consider letting a solitary check through if i were mafia especially considering the credibility of both cops. 23 people to investigate, probably 5 mafia ~20% success rate of check? Not a bad gamble, + screaming over them to potentially extend 1 phase? A lot more worthwhile risk imo than people saying I could have carried kp last night.

hold on though let me re-read and reconsider your post see if it touches me differently.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 09 2015 05:34 GMT
#3860
On July 09 2015 14:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 14:30 ritoky wrote:
On July 09 2015 14:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 09 2015 14:21 ritoky wrote:
Meh, I really think milo is the cop for a absolutely stupid reason and I haven't really budged on it.

I am super tired, but as of right now I am leaning towards believing all the claims and lynching outside them. I am also SUPER wary of HF not being targeted N1...but if it was something like Palmar and Marv as the targets I suppose I can hold off on that paranoia 1 more day.


So this is the only world that can be true in:

Scum kp palmar + ritoky.
damdred JK > ritoky
Scum roleblock > milo

That's the conclusion I got to too, it's the whole basis of my case. Milo does not recognize this is the only world that exists for town!milo other than scum having two roleblockers, which he himself says is not possible.

How can you say both you and milo are cops and then expect scum to shoot palmar+marv and give one of you guys a check.

They would only do this if they were able to roleblock both of you, which is only true if damdred is mafia roleblocker.

You should absolutely not want to lynch outside of the claims.


scum kp -> marv + palmar
damdred jk -> rit
scum rb -> milo

also works

and allowing a cop to get a check in a 25 man game isn't a horrible thing...i would consider letting a solitary check through if i were mafia especially considering the credibility of both cops. 23 people to investigate, probably 5 mafia ~20% success rate of check? Not a bad gamble, + screaming over them to potentially extend 1 phase? A lot more worthwhile risk imo than people saying I could have carried kp last night.

hold on though let me re-read and reconsider your post see if it touches me differently.



In your scenario, scum doesn't know damdred the town JK is gonna JK rit.


right hence the whole paragraph i wrote. it is a 1-shot check with a ~20% success rate of finding mafia and even if it comes red they may think they can out-yell me and extend their player's life an extra phase. it isn't an asinine risk to take letting a 1-shot cop through and hoping he misses or sucks.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 09 2015 05:36 GMT
#3861
the scariest world is if marv was carrying the kp last night....but i don't really wanna go into that atm.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 09 2015 05:38 GMT
#3863
i mean i still have my check....but i doubt it will be used due to rbs and me eventually being shot.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 09 2015 05:42 GMT
#3867
On July 09 2015 14:38 Breshke wrote:
Rit why would scum let you get the check and not milo. I think most people here would think you could yell better than him.


That's a good point actually.....hadn't thought about it much was moreso thinking about me being 1-shot vs him being 2-shot.

Wow, did I get shot last night?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 09 2015 20:09 GMT
#4194
Random thought as I am catching up right now. Don't people usually ping out LS as mafia for basically doing nothing? Hasn't he done nothing since the end of d1? Also, does anyone know any of his reads at all, cuz I don't....
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 09 2015 20:18 GMT
#4215
On July 10 2015 05:17 milo109 wrote:
Here we go again:

Town
Marvellosity
geript
ritoky
Breshke
Oatsmaster
Damdred

Mafia
Scott31337
Holyflare
boxerfred
Clarity/MZ
One of the many others.
People I can't read because they play.. oddly
rsoultin
LightningStrike


Why is harkon not town?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 09 2015 20:25 GMT
#4220
I mean, I kinda have to believe damdred is mafia here...I spent the past bit trying to comprehend why he would JK me and outside of using it on me cuz of the relationship we have I can't particularly justify it. But looking at it from the other angle is more troubling. If damdred was the JK, that means that the mafia fully intended for 1 investigation to go through and they chose mine over milo's. I can't really comprehend that. I understand that it is an acceptable statistical risk to take and the math makes sense; but on the chance one of the cops finds a red target why would you prefer to get into a yelling match with me rather than milo? No offense to milo, but I can yell, kick, scream, and throw a fit better than he can. And it is not like my claim is so much shadier than his to where I have so much less credit to where I am a better option in that regard. I just don't get it. Especially now that I learned there was 0 kp on me....I just am having a hard time trying to see a scenario where the stars align....
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 09 2015 20:26 GMT
#4221
On July 10 2015 05:21 milo109 wrote:
I've had you scum since Day 1. I hate the way you're playing. Honestly, you seem easy to read as scum to me. Maybe I'm wrong and you're town and you appear more towny as a scum player. You've been trying to push the conspiracy worlds of me being Mafia even if Damdred is town.

Obviously if Damdred flips framer then we lynch Ritoky. But that is like a .1% percent chance. It would be mildly good for town.


Why is harkon not town?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 09 2015 20:30 GMT
#4226
On July 10 2015 05:28 milo109 wrote:
Ritoky,


Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:26 Holyflare wrote:

You then proceeded to use extortionate amounts of tmi.



Because he uses this read too. And it's dumb.


No, you're not understanding this. Harkon claimed veteran who had kp on him last night. So either he is mafia knowing the KP went on marv last night and is using the wifom to gain cred, or he is the veteran. He is on neither of your lists. So it makes 0 sense to me.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
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