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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 07 2015 13:29 GMT
#2034
Oh Oats please before you do any of what I wrote, start with actually reading things.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 07 2015 13:38 GMT
#2040
thanks for the answers! but I think you got this wrong:

On July 07 2015 22:32 Holyflare wrote:
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Someone (don't remember who it was) said that this is a very natural thought. Scenario: you read your role pm, see "oh cool, I'm a blue - damn, I'm just VT". And yes, a similar thought came to my mind - but that happened when I read the OP before the game started. I assume that HF did the very same.

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On July 06 2015 16:12 Holyflare wrote:
On July 06 2015 16:08 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 16:07 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, are you 100% sure that Holyflare's first post isn't alignment indicative?


considering anyone can figure that out by reading the op and he's not an imbecile? xP


Haha as if i read the op unless i have to



that's when you know your entire scum read becomes baseless, when you say you did it in the same post ^^


What I meant was that the idea of "okay investigator - wait no, it's VT" when reading a role pm can happen, yes, but it can also happen (and happened to me) when you read the OP. That's why I don't buy that claim fully. Can be a great scum play.

However your answers do somewhat satisfy me. I'm willing to let go of the scum lean. Especially since you agree on the scum stuff on trfels and, to a certain degree, oats.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 07 2015 14:44 GMT
#2086
this is stagnating
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 07 2015 15:00 GMT
#2101
On July 07 2015 23:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
where are your townreads damdred.

Do you have any other thoughts on the things that damdred raised on clarity?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 07 2015 15:02 GMT
#2104
Damdred, I'm fine with that lynch. Just so you note, as soon as the train starts I'll jump in. I want to test Oats' waters some more but I think that since we got in a fight anyways, there's not much value to my thoughts since I'm admittingly close to tunneling.

Can someone else please dive into Oats' filter and share thoughts?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 07 2015 15:25 GMT
#2149
On July 08 2015 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On July 08 2015 00:01 ruXxar wrote:
@oats:
You're really tryharding for day 1, what's gotten into you?
You're actually trying to take charge, ask questions, push the thread and figure out stuff, pretty much unlike you.
I'm feeling your presence too strongly.

---

I've noticed that both Oats and Vivax have been tunneling hard on geript pretty much all day.
There's something about it that rubs me the wrong way.
I don't like how vivax came in and his first big post was just an opportunistic jump on trying to discredit geript.

#scumlean on vivax and oats.

Sorry for playing the game?

Why exactly is tunneling geript wrong?
you have a townread on him?

bullshit

more bullshit
evasive bullshit

I'm out, going home from work, seeya in like 2 hours
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 07 2015 16:56 GMT
#2328
On July 08 2015 00:30 KelsierSC wrote:
Here's my list right now

Town
hf
breshke
clarity
oats
geript
harkon
LS

scum
trfel
ritoky
damdred
bluehunter
milo
wave

Everyone else I have leans on but this is my head right now.



I do absolutely not understand the town lean in breshke, clarity and LS.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 07 2015 17:02 GMT
#2335
Oh wow Ritoky went completely off my radar because of Oats.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 07 2015 17:02 GMT
#2337
On July 08 2015 01:57 Holyflare wrote:
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On July 08 2015 01:56 boxerfred wrote:
On July 08 2015 00:30 KelsierSC wrote:
Here's my list right now

Town
hf
breshke
clarity
oats
geript
harkon
LS

scum
trfel
ritoky
damdred
bluehunter
milo
wave

Everyone else I have leans on but this is my head right now.



I do absolutely not understand the town lean in breshke, clarity and LS.


then why didn't you question my list about that lol? I think they're all pretty towny too.

pretty much tl;dr :/ can you bring it up? Also this is the first list post I actually care for because I'm not too fond of Kelsier this game.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 07 2015 17:05 GMT
#2341
So let me just throw out that I'm really unsure about HtS and KSC's alignments. I remember Kelsier being way more active and way better as town in the (one..) game I played with him. And I remember that HtS pretty much had the same "I post long posts without pushing too hard" tone in the game where she was scum.

ritoky's claim is weak af, I'd prefer to lynch between Oats and Clarity, who are my top scum reads. I'm fine with lynching ritoky if the majority goes for him though. WoS is also fine.

boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 07 2015 17:07 GMT
#2342
On July 08 2015 02:04 geript wrote:
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On June 19 2015 05:29 Blazinghand wrote:

DMLE Investigator (Vanilla Townie): You’ve been working in Precinct 16 for a long time. You’ve seen a lot of messed up things in your day. When the going gets tough, you don’t stop. Every case takes a little bit out of you, but someone has to do this work. You are a VT.

Investigator Extraordinaire (Vigilante): You keep on thinking back to your idol, Rita Skeeter. You want to be just like her. You’re not gonna let things like an “ongoing investigation” or “hostage situation” stop you from writing your character assassination pieces. You’re a journalist; you and your quick-quotes quill doesn’t afraid of anyone. At night, you can fire a bullet to deal 1 kp to a target. You can't shoot during night 1.

Very hard to read the OP. Much tough. Very braindead.

Oh yeah - in a weird way, that influences HF's claim. Can easily be the "lel im VT" for real, can also be "I wanna hide being a blue". But there's no need to hide that, just not saying anything would've been way better. That does indicate to me that his VT claim is real.

Moving him from scum lean to town lean.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 07 2015 17:10 GMT
#2348
On July 08 2015 02:09 Holyflare wrote:
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On July 08 2015 02:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Not feeling an HTS lynch.

Try again town.


maybe you should read this game where she was mafia and behaved in much the same way

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486819-i-still-cant-believe-its-not-themed-mafia?user=Half the Sky

yep, sheeping this. exactly the thoughts I said before.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 07 2015 17:42 GMT
#2392
On July 08 2015 02:40 scott31337 wrote:
Catching up - at page 98 - Got a bit more to go -

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On July 07 2015 20:18 Palmar wrote:
On July 07 2015 12:42 Breshke wrote:
I also think scott is probably mafia.

His reads list was lackluster and jsut seems to be some surface level stuff without actually trying to work anything out.

The only interesting thing is this

On July 07 2015 05:26 scott31337 wrote:
I'm thinking I like a milo lynch -

On July 06 2015 11:48 milo109 wrote:
Damn, I want to follow Oats to victory. Let me be the first to call it out from the hilltops, and let all those with pure hearts rejoice, Oatsmaster is town.


Then Ruxxar has this post -

On July 06 2015 12:03 ruXxar wrote:
Oatsy <3

I like where you're going so far.
You're showing determination in your play.
That's what I wanna see from you.

Is there a difference between your mafia scum reads, or is everyone you call mafia equally mafia?


Oats and Milo call out Ruxxar's post, but Oats does not call out Milo's post for townreading him for his "name mafia" posts. Very interesting. I'm townreading Ruxxar but not Oats and Milo.

We still have two people who haven't even posted (Zipph and Elite69) for all we know they could be two out of the five mafia right there.

The rest of his filter basically has "Damd mafia" "Keis mafia" "Oats town".


But it feels like he is reaching and i don't really get why the AFK's get a mention halfway through.


Here it is. Initially I read this post because Breshke was throwing around weird "general" type accusations like:

"His reads list was lackluster"
"some surface level stuff without actually trying to work anything out"
"But it feels like he is reaching"

Like this is why I'm only half liking breshke even though I sorta like his case. This is the type of accusations people make when they don't know what they should be saying. But it's both conceivable that Breshke made this shit up as mafia, and that he simply doesn't quite know how to present his findings as town.

As almost an afterthought I read scott's post that Breshke highlighted and it's really a terrible post. The biggest thing I'm worried about is that it seems rather unlikely that scott would try to call out the entire mafia team like that if he is mafia.

So... as I write this I'm officially waffling.

idk what to think about either of them.


I really don't think Breshke is mafia either for trying to go after this. He made a decent point and Oats somewhat explained it himself as well. My reads was a copy and paste from my spreadsheet that I'm keeping notes in. I'm updating it along the way.

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On July 07 2015 20:31 boxerfred wrote:
On July 07 2015 20:22 Palmar wrote:
Tbh, if clarity is mafia it's because in literally the second post in the game he said holyflare claiming VT in the first post of the game is somehow "interesting".

It's not interesting, people do this shit every fucking game and no one should give a fuck. The fact he tried to appear interested in something so completely and obviously worthless (nevermind that HF is the worst "dick around with claims" offender on TL) is actually kinda scummy and the reason I threw my vote on him yesterday.

Like I think it's sort of mafia like but I don't know if I can convince people that calling something interesting that isn't interesting is a solid case for someone being mafia.

I disagree on "noone should give a fuck". Every claim at every point in the game deserves attention. However I agree, pointing out how interesting it is does indicate that clarity wants to put emphasis on the claim - which he did not do. Although he said that due to him, people were talking "5 pages" about the claim which was simply a lie. I pointed that out alread (roughly page 40something I think) and I will point to that again. That's one of the reasons why clarity still is among my top scum reads!

So I'm fine with lynching HF and clarity. I can see that HF is not going to be lynched today although I'm not liking marv yet. He's engaging and discussing, but he's not really making points. However it's day1, he just caught up, so I keep it at a null read and won't lean towards any alignment.

I'll re-go for clarity and I'm fine with anyone who joins me on that.

##unvote ##vote clarity_nl


So if you are saying you are willing to vote for HF and Clarity - that means the posts at the beginning were a stunt and that they are both mafia? It honestly seems a little far fetched for me. If HF is mafia it's a great pocket post, and I could see him doing it, but I'm siding that he's town right now - including his observations, and how he went after rsoul.


You're not up to date, I already gave HF a town lean by now.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 07 2015 17:43 GMT
#2394
On July 08 2015 02:41 Half the Sky wrote:
Also for BF and WoS, the meta comparison to my last game is flawed.

1 I play/approach large games differently than I do minis as either alignment so comparing this game to Not Themed is really weak
2 I have pushed two players (HF can believe whatever he wants to believe on this point, I've again demonstrably shown it) this game so far which happen to be two (now one apparently) of the same players that HF is pushing
3 Large games mean I take more time looking at more people, since it's pretty easy for scummers to skate by. I can see how people can see that as scummy but when necessary I will consolidate on people (and will do now, seeing as people are voting ritoky) that I am finding scummy.


That said, who are you top scum reads and why?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 07 2015 17:46 GMT
#2401
I'm saying we lynch Oats over ritoky because Oats is actively throwing more trash in the thread.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 07 2015 17:53 GMT
#2409
On July 08 2015 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 02:46 boxerfred wrote:
I'm saying we lynch Oats over ritoky because Oats is actively throwing more trash in the thread.

Stop pushing your old unupdated read.


Stop talking to me
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 07 2015 17:54 GMT
#2410
Oats still has not delivered anything useful by the way. Only responding, derailing, not throwing in anything that would bringt town any further.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 07 2015 19:53 GMT
#2612
On July 08 2015 03:54 scott31337 wrote:
So about Milo -

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On July 08 2015 00:13 marvellosity wrote:
On July 07 2015 23:30 Harkon wrote:
This post is definitely a pretty bold statement especially since it isn't paired with any reason as to why.
On July 07 2015 11:37 milo109 wrote:
Meh. I think LS is a better lynch. Your case is unconvincing.


i thought the same about that comment


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On July 07 2015 10:46 scott31337 wrote:
On July 07 2015 10:40 milo109 wrote:
Alright... Explanations for my reads. First of all, I've played one game. That game I happened to be scum and won. Perhaps my opening strategy is not indicative of alignment, as you have nothing to compare it to. I've not had as much time to devote to the game as I would like, so I threw out my gut reads. The game is hard when you're town. Almost everything is justifiable in one way or the other, which makes it hard to find certainty.

On July 06 2015 11:07 milo109 wrote:
I'm mildly certain Kelsier is scum.


I read this:
On July 06 2015 11:01 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 10:59 milo109 wrote:
Holy Crap this game is big.


like my dong


On July 06 2015 09:16 KelsierSC wrote:
scptt fuck you


On July 06 2015 08:00 KelsierSC wrote:
aight, I can beleeee dat


Dislike the dumb jokes. This is mildly amusing because my first read in my other game was based on tone too.


On July 06 2015 11:20 milo109 wrote:
Hmmm. I feel like I should post more but I don't have much more. Leaning town on Holyflare, and I want to call WaveofShadow also town. But I can't.


I liked WaveofShadow just for his tone, but wasn't willing to pronounce him town for it. Holyflare's filter was a pleasure to read. No reads that felt discordant or forced. Casual enough, but also not afraid to explain.

On July 06 2015 11:24 milo109 wrote:
It's harder to read Damdred when you aren't mafia. I'm gonna call him mafia here though.


He usually waits to start calling people trash.


I hope you have more then this because you just voted for LS and haven't said shit about him in your filter. Was it Trfel's case?


He replies with
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 10:47 milo109 wrote:
It was his filter. I haven't read Trfel's case yet. Good on him though.


And his reasons are

Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 10:50 milo109 wrote:
I hate all these posts.

On July 06 2015 07:36 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 06 2015 07:35 rsoultin wrote:
no, i'm the copcake!

...........


On July 06 2015 11:21 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I liking you this game KSC if you care just don't be a dick to me this game please? <3



On July 06 2015 22:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Good morning Tina any thoughts you would like to share?



Some quotes which I really do not see LS as alignment indictive - which is one of the reasons I think milo is scummy.

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On July 08 2015 02:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Not feeling an HTS lynch.

Try again town.


The most townie thing OWS has done all game.

My updated spreadsheet -

1) Marvellosity  townie been picking it up the last 36 hours with good marv thoughts
2) Scott31337  town
3) WaveofShadow  Voted HF weirdly (actually never did in thread) / null
4) Clarity_nl  mixed it with HF / slight town - defends Damdreds case ok - wants to lynch Vivax/BM/Milo
5) ruXxar  slight town/proviing insight of game - suspicious of rsoul, quite diff. then last game scums vivax/oats
6) Vivax  Meh/null of scum defends trfel calls Rsoul town
7) Bill Murray  wanderer claim/hasn't done shit otherwise, no CC
8) ritoky  reads boxer as town as well, claimed one shot cop, scum OBS
9) geript  slight town but could be doing this as either alignment - keep an eye out
10) boxerfred  scumlean posts fakeclaim cop to distract from rsoul. Scummers reading him town/votes HF with no solid reasoning. Seems to jump on any bandwagon lynch (oats, now clarity) Now HTS back to Oats
11) Meapak_Ziphh  No posts still as of yet.
12) Trfel  Crap start - really different from his last game - added apologies - don’t think he's mafia though. Unsure what to do with him.
13) LightningStrike  slight town Damdred brings up good conclusions on his meta / looking up cases had an okay defense
14) Palmar  Called boxerfred town which I don’t like/believe in but providing analysis - slight town
15) ObiWanShinobi  Bad vote on HF / scumlean - wants to lynch me for no reasons
16) KelsierSC  Trying to think the game / townlean
17) milo109  scumlean ,towns HF / Oats / Wave - voted LS for bad filter reading
18) Breshke  A post or two I like asking LS about me - could be anything - weak mafia read on me - nullish town
19) Oatsmaster  Says Clarity /WoS mafia now wants to vote HTS although - scumlean
20) Damdred  Slight town going after LS believes in his case on Clarity but I think Clarity's town
21) rsoultin  not a great defense when pressured, paranoid of her - scumlean
22) Half The Sky  miller claim / decent listpost - flipped read on HF after being questioned which was weird - slight townlean
23) Harkon  Smurf - JAT? Suspicious of ritoky's claim, but. Slight town
24) Holyflare  Mindmelt opening - Doesn't like certain Rsoul's play - town lean (day 3/4 alive watch out)
25) XEliteBlueHunter69X  Null- Vivax/Geript possible scum - Palmar town

I'm down most for a Milo lynch. I'm caught up in the thread.

@Boxerfred can you give an updated scum list? You just seem to be bouncing and voting and hoping to get something to stick - you went from HF (which you townread now?) to Oats, to HTS and then back to Oats. Are they all scummy?

@Breshke are you still scumreading me? Can you give me the reasoning of such?


This is a huge pile of words that does not say much.

@Boxerfred can you give an updated scum list? You just seem to be bouncing and voting and hoping to get something to stick - you went from HF (which you townread now?) to Oats, to HTS and then back to Oats. Are they all scummy?


No changes apart from HF. My scum reads are clarity, oats, wave, trfel, ritoky. My slight lean is HtS.

10) boxerfred  scumlean posts fakeclaim cop to distract from rsoul. Scummers reading him town/votes HF with no solid reasoning. Seems to jump on any bandwagon lynch (oats, now clarity) Now HTS back to Oats


I explained why I fakeclaimed post and why I abstained from it.
In a majority scenario, of course I jump trains. Though I'm not jumping on any bandwagon. What I did was thoroughly explaining my scum reads, then going after Oats. Which I still do.

I don't like the list you throw out. Some of the guys you read town are having a town lean on me (e.g. Damdred) although you say they are scum. Why are you reading him town although he's leaning me town?

Also, you basically have an opinion on everyone but refrain from putting some real pressure on people?

Scott, I'm not buying this as an effort.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 07 2015 19:55 GMT
#2621
I don't think I'll vote for ritoky today. Said before why (not lynching un-cc'ed blue claim if I have other reads).
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 07 2015 20:00 GMT
#2637
On July 08 2015 04:57 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 04:55 boxerfred wrote:
I don't think I'll vote for ritoky today. Said before why (not lynching un-cc'ed blue claim if I have other reads).

uncced
.
.
.
.

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