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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
July 08 2015 10:45 GMT
#3310
On July 08 2015 02:54 boxerfred wrote:
Oats still has not delivered anything useful by the way. Only responding, derailing, not throwing in anything that would bringt town any further.


I have a hard time wrapping my head around this given that he has been pushing another scumread of yours.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
July 08 2015 10:52 GMT
#3314
This is serious Fred. Why don't you take into account when somebody pushes another scumread of yours unprompted and instead you portrait Oats' play as if it was 100 % genuine poop without further differentiation.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
July 08 2015 10:57 GMT
#3315
On July 08 2015 02:05 boxerfred wrote:
So let me just throw out that I'm really unsure about HtS and KSC's alignments. I remember Kelsier being way more active and way better as town in the (one..) game I played with him. And I remember that HtS pretty much had the same "I post long posts without pushing too hard" tone in the game where she was scum.

ritoky's claim is weak af, I'd prefer to lynch between Oats and Clarity, who are my top scum reads. I'm fine with lynching ritoky if the majority goes for him though. WoS is also fine.



On July 08 2015 02:46 boxerfred wrote:
I'm saying we lynch Oats over ritoky because Oats is actively throwing more trash in the thread.


On July 08 2015 04:55 boxerfred wrote:
I don't think I'll vote for ritoky today. Said before why (not lynching un-cc'ed blue claim if I have other reads).


This is also noteworthy.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
July 08 2015 10:59 GMT
#3316
On July 08 2015 01:56 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 00:30 KelsierSC wrote:
Here's my list right now

Town
hf
breshke
clarity
oats
geript
harkon
LS

scum
trfel
ritoky
damdred
bluehunter
milo
wave

Everyone else I have leans on but this is my head right now.



I do absolutely not understand the town lean in breshke, clarity and LS.


Why don't you notice he's also townreading Oats here?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
July 08 2015 11:02 GMT
#3317
oats - I liked the xp read on rsoul initially, been up in people's face


Might be you bought this as a legitimiate explanation. Even if you didn't you can argue that you did, however Kelsier also explained his clarity read in the same post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=52#1026), so why understand one and not the other?


Clarity - The initial posts weren't great but perhaps he was
just excited to play, I really liked his scum read on WoS, he had pressure
on him but he scumread the one guy sort of townreading him out of nowhere
that felt really good. since then his posting has been solid, comments about
trefl and bf seem alright.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
July 08 2015 11:29 GMT
#3320
On July 08 2015 20:20 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 19:52 Vivax wrote:
This is serious Fred. Why don't you take into account when somebody pushes another scumread of yours unprompted and instead you portrait Oats' play as if it was 100 % genuine poop without further differentiation.

Because that's what I do when I get frustrated over afk lynches that flip town when there's way better people to lynch. Noballs town.


Nope.

I'm fine with lynching ritoky if the majority goes for him though.


So the frustration argument doesn't hold water.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
July 08 2015 11:29 GMT
#3321
And you can't have been talking about BM cause the wagon was nowhere to see at the time you wrote that.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
July 10 2015 10:05 GMT
#4603
Idk what Damdred was thinking when he tried to claim mason with geript, it sligthly gets my tinfoil going.

This day is pretty much autopilot so don't feel like doing much. Just gonna slap my vote where it belongs.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
July 10 2015 10:09 GMT
#4605
On July 10 2015 19:06 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 19:05 Vivax wrote:
Idk what Damdred was thinking when he tried to claim mason with geript, it sligthly gets my tinfoil going.

This day is pretty much autopilot so don't feel like doing much. Just gonna slap my vote where it belongs.

you know you might get lynched if you don't find some energy from somewhere at some point, right?


I'm aware of that but sometimes the threat of getting lynched really gets me going.

You're so nice this game marvy.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
July 10 2015 10:12 GMT
#4607
Feel free to give me a taste of the whip if I keep being lazy for too long.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
July 10 2015 10:23 GMT
#4610
I dunno how to read this bluehunter guy
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
July 10 2015 19:35 GMT
#4840
Cute case, good effort but we're lynching Damdred today and the next day decide what to do with milo.

A lot of your points is that I have no followup on things, that's true, cause when I don't find resonance on a player for something I found suspicious I just move on and look elsewhere for something that convinces more people. And at the time I posted those maybe 2 other people were scumreading geript, and everybody except you didn't seem interested in what I wrote about Damdred.

I don't try to push myself into the foreground to lynch a single player if my best arguments weren't perceived as strong or interesting in the first place, especially not on D1.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
July 10 2015 19:36 GMT
#4841
Plus the Damdred thingy was an observation, I wasn't willing to scumread him just cause of that anyway. At the end of the day I wanted to kill WoS, geript, MZ. Maybe someone else I forgot.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
July 10 2015 19:41 GMT
#4842
It's one of those typical cases that argue why somebody is scum cause he doesn't behave like your picture of an ideal town player (but he didn't do anything with it, but he only soft-pushed etc. completely ignoring that my impact this game isn't particularly high).

A good case is rather based on showing that somebody has opinions he shouldn't have, where they conflict with things he said earlier. That's what Damdred fell for on the D1 of the game where he won cause I got mislynched. He was praising some dude who had some townreads that were Damdred's scumreads etc.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
July 10 2015 20:04 GMT
#4848
Next logical step if Damdred flips scum is to look at milo. I'm not even bothering to do anything else for the moment as it's a waste of time when there's information incoming anyway.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
July 10 2015 20:11 GMT
#4854
On July 11 2015 04:50 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 04:41 Vivax wrote:
It's one of those typical cases that argue why somebody is scum cause he doesn't behave like your picture of an ideal town player (but he didn't do anything with it, but he only soft-pushed etc. completely ignoring that my impact this game isn't particularly high).

A good case is rather based on showing that somebody has opinions he shouldn't have, where they conflict with things he said earlier. That's what Damdred fell for on the D1 of the game where he won cause I got mislynched. He was praising some dude who had some townreads that were Damdred's scumreads etc.


That's sort of the point I was trying to progress with the first half of my case. The parts about geript and Damdred.

For geript he clarified his stance. At that time why did you still want to kill him? I'll try and break this down for you - when I was reading your filter he is clarifying himself and then you go to say "I don't want to distract from killing geript, etc etc" (paraphrasing, see the quote I posted AFTER my case) so that tells me you are still very much wanting to lynch him then.

Shouldn't your opinion have changed? Or did you have a reason at that time it did not? That is what I was driving at.


I was of the opinion that geript was exaggerating aspects of his play on purpose to look more townie (confidence, dickishness), I called him a liar for that, not for anything specific. Just that scum=liars/actors.

On July 11 2015 05:01 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 19:12 Vivax wrote:
Feel free to give me a taste of the whip if I keep being lazy for too long.


So now that you are on board with lynching Damdred, etc. Where do you stand on the rest? If you assume there's 1-2 within the claims, do you even have a hunch of where other scumreads could be?

I assume WoS and MZ are (still??) on your list, if they are not then whom?


They're both on ice, I didn't even reread them so far cause I see no reason to. Doing work and posting cases at this point is at best good for burying what I write under the pile of what's incoming given that today's lynch is already decided.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
July 10 2015 20:37 GMT
#4904
On July 11 2015 05:31 KelsierSC wrote:
Vivax , what do you think of boxer at this point?


Only what I've pointed out already. I didn't quite believe his answer when I confronted him with the matter.
The core point is that he used something that happened later as a justification for something he did earlier. Yeah it was about his frustration with the ritoky lynch when earlier he said he was fine with it, also how much he waffled on the validity of the claim.

First he said it was weak af then he said he wouldn't lynch him because of it.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
July 10 2015 21:21 GMT
#4932
On July 11 2015 06:06 ruXxar wrote:
@Vivax.

I'm really curious what you meant with this quote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 19:16 Vivax wrote:
I'm pretty irritated by the way HF abandoned the suspicion of Trfel just when mine started to build up.


It seems like you're somehow sad that an opportunity to jump on a trfel scum train went away.
This was the last time you mentioned trfel in your filter and it was N1.


HF said Trfel afk = bad. I said (or at least thought) "well it's early and he posted a few reads, let's see what he does later", then EoD 1 I wasn't happy with him and HF somehow lost interest, so opposite reactions.

What do you think Dam will flip?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
July 10 2015 21:38 GMT
#4947
On July 11 2015 06:35 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 06:21 Vivax wrote:
On July 11 2015 06:06 ruXxar wrote:
@Vivax.

I'm really curious what you meant with this quote:
On July 08 2015 19:16 Vivax wrote:
I'm pretty irritated by the way HF abandoned the suspicion of Trfel just when mine started to build up.


It seems like you're somehow sad that an opportunity to jump on a trfel scum train went away.
This was the last time you mentioned trfel in your filter and it was N1.


HF said Trfel afk = bad. I said (or at least thought) "well it's early and he posted a few reads, let's see what he does later", then EoD 1 I wasn't happy with him and HF somehow lost interest, so opposite reactions.

What do you think Dam will flip?


I think damdred flips red.
Damdred is playing totally different from the last game.
Way too mellow for my taste
.


Your posts from earlier say something else. Entirely.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
July 10 2015 21:39 GMT
#4950
I find it odd you use his gameplay as justification for today's read when earlier you townread him and shit.

Should have said it's only cause geript claimed son.
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