I'm inclined to agree that sparing MZ was the correct play.
Someone who defends themselves is always more valuable than someone that doesn't play.

Anyhoezels.
I can back a Clarity lynch tomorrow.
EBH should be on the list as well.
I have my doubts about Harkon.

The cop claims are likely to resolve themselves with time, so who cares even.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 08 2015 02:53 GMT

#3157

Scott's posts are amazingly boring.
Possibly mafia!boring.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 08 2015 02:55 GMT

#3158

On July 08 2015 11:52 milo109 wrote:
This is operating under the assumption that MZ is mafia. I can explain that if others can't see what I see, but... to me it is pretty clear. So, what do mafia do if they know their buddy is about to get mislynched? They throw out any other reasonable alternative. In this case, BM. It obviously follows that some of the first to start the lynch on BM were scum partners. I chose those I thought were most scummy while also being the earliest to switch. I 100% think holyflare is mafia now, which I can also explain if others can't see it.

This hinges on MZ being mafia.
Can you make a case on MZ being mafia at this point in time?

Otherwise you have nothing.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 08 2015 02:56 GMT

#3159

Even if you think there were people going out of their way to save MZ, why were they only scum for doing so and why can't they be town trying to save someone they think is town?

It's the same concept. The theory you're bringing up COULD hold water, but even if it did you'd be able to make cases on those players anyway without the associative reads involved.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 08 2015 03:11 GMT

#3165

1) Doesn't matter. He might not have thought BM was mafia. He still voted BM to save himself which is pretty much exactly what I would expect and "overplaying it" is irrelevant.
2) Your point on him doubting your claim doesn't mean a whole lot. People doubt claims. It's normal.
3) I don't see how what MZ said to HF means that he can only be interacting with a scum partner. I thought the same thing about Hf's post, so why am I not mafia for saying something similar?
4) There's no fence there. I don't really see the issue with this post. I thought the same thing about the Rso/HF fight.
5) Again, the fact that he doubts claims isn't weird.

The best aspect of your case is that he was inactive until he was about to be lynched. That's it. If he continues to fail to participate then he will be lynched for it, not because of the other points you brought up.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 08 2015 03:12 GMT

#3166

As an aside, I don't think milo is mafia.
I just wanted to point that out in case someone asks me about it later.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 08 2015 03:14 GMT

#3168

Actually, now that I think about it, MZ wasn't inactive until he was about to be lynched. He was inactive, then he became slightly active at an awkward time, and THEN people tried to lynch him.

So it was, at its core, an inactive lynch: a fun lynch, but not always a productive one.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 08 2015 03:19 GMT

#3170

I still think there are way too many possibilities in that case to consider it iron-clad.

It's not that I don't give credence to your theory - it's that I think there's a world where MZ is town and does those things.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 08 2015 03:23 GMT

#3172

If you waste your check on MZ I will jump through time and space to murder you.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 08 2015 03:25 GMT

#3174

On July 08 2015 12:24 milo109 wrote:
If you think I'm actually getting a check off at any point in this game....

Still.
Just.
Don't use it on MZ.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 08 2015 03:25 GMT

#3175

It's an objectively bad check.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 08 2015 03:51 GMT

#3179

On July 08 2015 12:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
MZ not getting lynched pretty much means hes mafia tbh.

Shut up.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 08 2015 04:02 GMT

#3186

I have literally 0 interest in even discussing MZ anymore.
I don't care. You can resolve it amongst yourselves.

Clarity is mafia. Discuss.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 08 2015 04:24 GMT

#3192

Rso is not mafia go do something else ruxxar.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 08 2015 04:37 GMT

#3197

On July 08 2015 13:27 ruXxar wrote:

Show nested quote +

Why not?

Experience.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 08 2015 04:42 GMT

#3199

On July 08 2015 13:41 ruXxar wrote:

Show nested quote +

On July 08 2015 13:28 rsoultin wrote:

On July 08 2015 13:22 ruXxar wrote:

On July 08 2015 09:57 rsoultin wrote:

On July 08 2015 08:50 ruXxar wrote:

On July 08 2015 07:52 rsoultin wrote:

On July 08 2015 07:44 ruXxar wrote:
@rsoultin.

HF, was putting pressure on trfel. And well founded pressure too with the way trfel has been playing this game.
Putting pressure on people is a good thing, it's an excellent tool for extracting information.
Yet you seem to have a problem with people putting pressure on trfel, and you guard him like a watch dog.

The issue is not that you came with your opinion on trfel, that is completely fine and legit.
The problem is that you acted irrationally and actively tried to disrupt and deny us information out of Trfel.
When someone observes a contradiction or inconsistency in what people say and they question them about it, the most anti-town thing you can do is try to interject and derail the questioning, which is exactly what you did.

Tell me this, why are you defending Trfel when he is perfectly capable of defending himself?
Furthermore, he might be mafia, so why are you so adamant about defending someone without knowing their alignment?
Your goal as town should be to get as much information out of anyone as to form a basis of judgement on.
Blindly defending people as town is an incredibly bad way to play.

Combined with your other actions this game, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

do you even begin to realize how difficult it is for me to even bother finish reading this pile of shit when it's clear you didn't bother to actually READ our interaction?

go away, or actually fact check your own fucking claims

i've answered all your leading questions already

i've formed my judgment on truffle and until i actually see anything to indicate otherwise, you can bite me

i was right on gb. i was right on damdy. i was right on bugs. i was right on hf. i was right on you. and i was right on wave and oats. but instead of CONSIDERING after seeing my play last game and losing the game while ignoring my advice in your newbie, that i might actually have a good fucking toneread on truffle you try to paint it as me denying information?

lol ><

I read your interaction just fine.
Let me recap my view of it, just so you can correct me if I'm missing something.

1st interaction: Starts here
Recap:
HF: "Trfel you are playing like burnt out mafia"
RS: "I don't think he is, but I'll find out soon for sure"
HF: "I don't need your opinion RS"
RS: "Trfel is town, your reads are wrong!".
HF: "I don't need you go away".
Mod: Interrupts.

2nd interaction: Starts here
Recap:
HF: "I wanted to force Trfel to present his argument in a logical manner"
RS: "HF is misrepresenting me and being a dick, I don't mind if you question Trfel"
HF: (Posts quotes where you disrupted him from questioning)
RS: "You were trying to shit on me!"
HF: "I don't deny being a dick, but I was trying to pressure trfel to gain information"
RS: "Stop questioning him so early! Let's talk about something else"
(topic changed)

3rd interaction: Starts here
Recap:
HF: "Trfel there's an inconsistency in your read on LS, explain why".
RS: "HF, you can't read!"
RS: "I want to let trfel answer for himself, but you guys are too stupid!"
HF: "How is that not reading?"
RS: "Trfel already explained it!"
HF: "Explained it how?"
RS: "HTS saw the questioning, why don't you get it?"
HF: "How does that explain him changing his stance?"
RS: "You are stupid HF!"
(Shitfight ensues, questioning derailed)

It's all pretty obvious disruption from my point of view.
Once again you're derailing.

I'm not going away anytime soon.

just because you paraphrase it this way doesn't make it correct ^^

why don't you talk to me about your other reads instead of trying to convince me i'm scum? you're clearly not attempting to determine my alignment at all with the bias-laden wording in your posts

If it's incorrect then you should correct it.
If you don't I'll assume its correct.
I went through all the posts and wrote down my interpretation of them.

I don't need to convince you that you're scum, I'm trying to convince everyone else.

What bias?
This is my interpretation of the events.
I encourage everyone that don't believe me to go read for themselves and make up their own mind.

lol you're never lynching me off a faulty paraphrase, pup, and i don't feel the need to "correct" what is clearly visible just reading the posts

i asked you what other reads you had

an exercise! \o/ you treat me like you're reading me town and i'll treat you like i'm reading you town, even if i don't much believe it...this tunnel of yours is at best wrong and at worst scummy, so give me something else to read you off if you're actually town

This is the incorrect response as town.
A town person would want to project town by proving that their actions benefits town.

Since you are unwilling to do that, i can only assume that you can't prove that you had town motives behind your actions.

This argument is bad.