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On July 07 2015 17:02 KelsierSC wrote:
last game I played with lightning strike he was town, he did 1000 scummy things in the first day but despite this he had the majority of the game calling him town and saying things like "it's just LS"
this game he actually feels better to me like yeh he made a few weird reads but he seems pretty relaxed and again he is making a lot of posts.
so either LS got better at mafia overnight and is better at looking townie when he is mafia, which if i recall isn't the consensus, apparently he is easy to catch as mafia.
or he is town and we have people trying to push a lynch on him.
I'm not liking damdred at all at this point as a result.
Since you brought it up, Vivax raised a point earlier that he thought Damdred questioning of LS was bait worthy/loaded. I quoted several of the questions and Damdreds conclusions and found nothing wrong feeling the questions were straightforward. I'm on mobile atm but you should be able to find them in my filter.
If you had an opinion on that exchange that might be the place to start. I'm town reading Damdred atm but he has tricked me before.
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On July 07 2015 19:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hts, if ls did objectively scummy things, why aren't you voting for him?
Prior to my going to bed I thought Milo was far worse. I was pretty clear why I didn't like him. It sounds like he's posted since so will read closely again.
The 3 quotes I was referring to was where he responded to Trfel about the ritoky DT claim. That was around the time I know Damdred and I were asking Trfel what he thought on ritoky.
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On July 07 2015 19:10 marvellosity wrote:
Anyone know scott here?
Is he usually a non-entity?
how about milo?
Scott has sometimes afked in his games as both alignments.
Milo only one game (HG ch1) and his posting is low volume in that game. My scum read wasn't on volume though.
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On July 07 2015 01:00 Half the Sky wrote:For emphasis, in case it's lost in the post: Milo I want to see explanations for your initial reads: Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 11:20 milo109 wrote:
Hmmm. I feel like I should post more but I don't have much more. Leaning town on Holyflare, and I want to call WaveofShadow also town. But I can't. Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 11:24 milo109 wrote:
It's harder to read Damdred when you aren't mafia. I'm gonna call him mafia here though. My concern on your filter in general is this is pretty much how you played in Holy Guardians when you were mafia. I don't think you had explanations for pretty much any of your reads and several people have opposing opinions or have substantiated them.
Marv/Oats this is the first thing I had on him. There was also a long enough period of time (19h) that elapsed when I started pushing him more.
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Bear with me I'm still on mobile ergh....
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On July 07 2015 19:39 boxerfred wrote:
marv thoughts on my hf read?
The other thing on HF is that he was all over Trfel thinking he's rolled scum because of rolling scum twice in a row. The same thing applies to BM who rolled scum in WC3. Marv is saying that BM's play is plausible if he were mafia. If HF flips scum he hasn't mentioned him at all from what I recall so that makes that possibility much more likely.
Pre associative I know but something to think about.
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I don't know where you are in the thread but in some of the exchanges last night I got an air of selective reasoning from HF and so did Rasputin as well.
Give me 30-45, I'll be back on laptop by then...
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Now I'm back and catching up again. Reading through (should have an answer for you soon milo)...
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I could need some help reading WoS - asked this last night, will ask again in case anyone here knows him better than I do -
On July 07 2015 09:10 Half the Sky wrote:
Going through WoS and LS filters again...
Those of you that know WoS, are there any general town or scum tells I should be on the lookout for? I have never played with him and reading his filter, nothing is jumping out at me as particularly scummy except for his more or less afk vote on Holyflare.
I'm not sure where that vote came from tbh, can't tell if it was tone or whatnot.
If you took that out, I'd probably given him a null to slight townlean for some of the posts in his filter, but if he's been around awhile, he probably could replicate that as scum.
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Alright, that clarity vote/unvote is a good catch. I'll check that area of the thread, and his filter as well and see if anything else pops up...
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Wait now I'm confused....you're still saying that clarity's vote/unvote thing is scummy correct? Couldn't tell what you were referring to regarding the retracting part.
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Never mind, Marv you ninjaed me. Alright xD
Now back to reading...
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On July 07 2015 10:40 milo109 wrote:Alright... Explanations for my reads. First of all, I've played one game. That game I happened to be scum and won. Perhaps my opening strategy is not indicative of alignment, as you have nothing to compare it to. I've not had as much time to devote to the game as I would like, so I threw out my gut reads. The game is hard when you're town. Almost everything is justifiable in one way or the other, which makes it hard to find certainty. I read this: Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 11:01 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 10:59 milo109 wrote:
Holy Crap this game is big. like my dong Dislike the dumb jokes. This is mildly amusing because my first read in my other game was based on tone too. Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 11:20 milo109 wrote:
Hmmm. I feel like I should post more but I don't have much more. Leaning town on Holyflare, and I want to call WaveofShadow also town. But I can't. I liked WaveofShadow just for his tone, but wasn't willing to pronounce him town for it. Holyflare's filter was a pleasure to read. No reads that felt discordant or forced. Casual enough, but also not afraid to explain. Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 11:24 milo109 wrote:
It's harder to read Damdred when you aren't mafia. I'm gonna call him mafia here though. He usually waits to start calling people trash.
Alright, milo, not sure if you are still here, but so it goes...
Re - KSC do you have any thoughts now? He's posted a tonne since you commented on him initially. KSC sometimes has those random one-liners and those aren't/can't be the only things you read from him. Looking at the timestamps it appears those were selectively placed, so does his gameplay since that (or even around those quotes) change your opinion at all?
A few of us have opposing opinions on HF and a couple voiced some dissenting opinions on Damdred - for example Vivax felt that his posts were loaded or baitworthy, like he was trying to reach for an excuse to scumread LS. Do you agree with this assessment (same question also at KSC when he returns btw), I had previously quoted it.
HF, I felt there is some selective reasoning. You probably want to look at the exchanges about 8-9 hours ago to get a sense of what was happening. (Admittedly he's probably not getting lynched today, but it's something that I think everyone needs to think about going on to later days.)
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Goddamn quotes.....hold on....
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Bloody hell I meant to re-quote not edit that quote block. I am on such a roll today... >_<
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Again, for milo -
On July 07 2015 10:40 milo109 wrote:Alright... Explanations for my reads. First of all, I've played one game. That game I happened to be scum and won. Perhaps my opening strategy is not indicative of alignment, as you have nothing to compare it to. I've not had as much time to devote to the game as I would like, so I threw out my gut reads. The game is hard when you're town. Almost everything is justifiable in one way or the other, which makes it hard to find certainty. I read this: Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 11:01 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 10:59 milo109 wrote:
Holy Crap this game is big. like my dong Dislike the dumb jokes. This is mildly amusing because my first read in my other game was based on tone too. Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 11:20 milo109 wrote:
Hmmm. I feel like I should post more but I don't have much more. Leaning town on Holyflare, and I want to call WaveofShadow also town. But I can't. I liked WaveofShadow just for his tone, but wasn't willing to pronounce him town for it. Holyflare's filter was a pleasure to read. No reads that felt discordant or forced. Casual enough, but also not afraid to explain. Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 11:24 milo109 wrote:
It's harder to read Damdred when you aren't mafia. I'm gonna call him mafia here though. He usually waits to start calling people trash.
Alright, milo, not sure if you are still here, but so it goes...
Re - KSC do you have any thoughts now? He's posted a tonne since you commented on him initially. KSC sometimes has those random one-liners and those aren't/can't be the only things you read from him. Looking at the timestamps it appears those were selectively placed, so does his gameplay since that (or even around those quotes) change your opinion at all?
A few of us have opposing opinions on HF and a couple voiced some dissenting opinions on Damdred - for example Vivax felt that his posts were loaded or baitworthy, like he was trying to reach for an excuse to scumread LS. Do you agree with this assessment (same question also at KSC when he returns btw), I had previously quoted it.
HF, I felt there is some selective reasoning. You probably want to look at the exchanges about 8-9 hours ago to get a sense of what was happening. (Admittedly he's probably not getting lynched today, but it's something that I think everyone needs to think about going on to later days.)
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I don't know how BH rules on edited posts, I'm pretty sure it's a direct modkill, I can't really argue, so I'll just carry on until whenever.
Anyways back to milo - you said you found HF's case unconvincing on Trfel and you accuse him of severl things in your wall of text - does that case tell you anything about Holyflare one way or another?
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On July 07 2015 21:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
that single post by milo looks scummy, yes.
Thread back on track?
WHO KNOWS.
Which one are you referring to? I pointed out what I didn't like about his read on KSC.
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On July 07 2015 21:11 Palmar wrote:
So we should lynch boxerfred then Oats?
Why is boxerfred scum?
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On July 07 2015 21:21 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 21:19 Half the Sky wrote:On July 07 2015 21:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
that single post by milo looks scummy, yes.
Thread back on track?
WHO KNOWS. Which one are you referring to? I pointed out what I didn't like about his read on KSC. the one marv posted like 2 pages ago. Why are you asking me this?
You basically said sometime back you liked milo and/or didn't see scum in him.
So I see this and I want to know what changed your opinion.
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