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Ok so I read Vivax' case on clarity and it makes me feel pretty good about lynching clarity.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 18 2015 03:28 Vivax wrote:Rereading D1 I found this part to be pretty sketch. I hope you guys read this stuff carefully, it's probably the biggest effort I'm putting in since the game started. Clarity gave an early scumread on WoS for WoS townreading him for no reason. It all started with these posts, spoilered: + Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 08:24 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far? I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that. trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet do you have anymore town? Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads. ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent. what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum? I said we can't both be scum Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful. -squints at- lol you do realize how little sense this actually makes, right? You're replying a lot to me rsoultin but saying very little. I think it makes sense. If HF and me are both scum, I feel we would basically never have that interaction a few minutes into day 1. Do you disagree? On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far? I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that. trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet do you have anymore town? Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads. ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent. what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum? I said we can't both be scum Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful. So now that we actually know HF's alignment, I'll think through the logic one could have behind making such a post. Clarity had a clear intention of not scumreading HF past this point, he said he would fight against his lynch, and knowing now that HF was town that means he was making his assumption based on one of them being mafia. In this case himself. It's a really odd assumption to make if you don't assume either of you to be mafia. This argument could have been made earlier but now that we have more information I actually have an easier time seeing this as valid. Going a little deeper: If I know I'm town, and I think the other dude is town, I have no logical reason to argue that one of us is town if the other isn't. So I see a lack of motivation to even go ahead and make this argument unless I know I'm mafia. To make it more clear, I'll paraphrase what he actually said: "I think HF is town cause both of us can't be mafia together, and I know I'm mafia so HF is town (left unsaid obviusly, but heavily implied)". That's the entire basis of his HF read. It literally leaks TMI, and doesn't have any justification whatsoever from a town perspective.
Here's what happened when clarity posted this stuff, his teammates immediately noticed it looking odd as fuck: Damdred+ Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 08:04 Damdred wrote:
Clarity if you haven't played with hf much who is arguably the best scum player on site. Why do you 100% lack any fear in reading him on precious few posts? On July 06 2015 08:07 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:06 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:04 Damdred wrote:
Clarity if you haven't played with hf much who is arguably the best scum player on site. Why do you 100% lack any fear in reading him on precious few posts? I wasn't aware he was arguably the best scum player on site, but I don't think it changes much. Obviously my read on him can change, but based solely on his first post I will fight against his lynch today. Why off one post? It doesn't make a lot of sense does it to totally eliminate one person based on an opening does it? On July 06 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:34 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:33 Holyflare wrote:
considering you did 0 things, waves post is 0% correct and likely mafia wave I knew I liked you. Please answer my question. Also this seems like an odd statement because a previous post read like you were really happy with wave? Just seems a weird postings On July 06 2015 09:26 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 09:23 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 09:22 Damdred wrote:
On one level I really like the explanation even though it's super obvious.
On another though, you had to wait on hf to point it out and instantly sheeped it instead of taking it yourself. So it just feels weird Uh.. He answered my question regarding WoS, if anything he sheeped me. Read again Uhhh, so you leave an open ended question. Hf pushes wave is scum,because of a weak town read and you claim hf is sleeping you? Yeah I don't buy that part. Like what would,of happened if,Geript,would,of pushed that wave was town first. Obviously that's impossible,to,decide as it didn't happe n but I just think it's a bit weird to me On July 07 2015 01:33 Damdred wrote:
Well that took a bit to read a good amount of town reads from it sorta, these are the people id want to lynch today
Trfel
Ritoky
LIGHTNINGSTRIKE
these are my most wanted lynched obvious preference
Damdred ends up asking the questions and never actually pursuing clarity as he did everyone else he questioned like that. His concluding opinion on him is: "I just think it's a bit weird to me". Kelsier:+ Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far? On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far? I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that. trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet do you have anymore town? On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far? I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that. trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet do you have anymore town? Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads. ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent. what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum? On July 06 2015 08:23 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far? I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that. trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet do you have anymore town? Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads. ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent. what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum? I said we can't both be scum Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful. yeh i know what you said On July 06 2015 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:24 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far? I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that. trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet do you have anymore town? Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads. ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent. what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum? I said we can't both be scum Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful. -squints at- lol you do realize how little sense this actually makes, right? You're replying a lot to me rsoultin but saying very little. I think it makes sense. If HF and me are both scum, I feel we would basically never have that interaction a few minutes into day 1. Do you disagree? what do you mean by interaction though you called hf town and then you reference how because of this "interaction" you cant both be scum On July 06 2015 08:30 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:28 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:24 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
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I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that.
trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times
Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet do you have anymore town? Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads. ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent. what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum? I said we can't both be scum Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful. -squints at- lol you do realize how little sense this actually makes, right? You're replying a lot to me rsoultin but saying very little. I think it makes sense. If HF and me are both scum, I feel we would basically never have that interaction a few minutes into day 1. Do you disagree? what do you mean by interaction though you called hf town and then you reference how because of this "interaction" you cant both be scum OK I want to move past this as it's not really worth spending a lot of time on. If me and HF both roll scum, and HF enters the game going "Lol I thought I rolled cop but it's just the VT flavor" do you think I, as scum, would call my scum partner "totes town not lynching today"? What do you think of rsoultin? Specifically the way she's replied to me. well...i feel like if you hadn't brusied the back of my throat with it then i might have made that analysis myself. but now it just tastes like pre.... well it just tastes bad you know. After this tastes bad business he actually takes advantage of the sentiment shifting in favour of clarity and townreads him: Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:24 KelsierSC wrote:
Here are my initial reads
Clarity - The initial posts weren't great but perhaps he was
just excited to play, I really liked his scum read on WoS, he had pressure
on him but he scumread the one guy sort of townreading him out of nowhere
that felt really good. since then his posting has been solid, comments about
trefl and bf seem alright.
Which incriminates him further cause TWO scum had a strong argument at their disposal to push a dude on his odd arguments and they ended up throwing all their questioning away and shrug clarity off as an option.
That's about it for this point. Next point is about WoS and Clarity. Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 09:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
Holyflare you should vote WoS with me it'll be great Last post scumreading WoS above. First post unscumreading him below. Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 23:24 Clarity_nl wrote:Going over WoS again and he talked a little about his townread on me I don't like him as a lynch at the moment. ##UnvoteKelsier's efforts are clearly townie to me. I like where this Rsoultin thing is going, I put it in the back of my mind because someone pointed out her softpushing me early is her town meta. Her reads are also the opposite of mine. Despite boxerfred's nonsensical "I decided to not like your first post" stance I do think he was coming at me with a townie mindset. When I said the first 5 pages was basically about my first post and he seemed joyous to "catch me in a lie". I'm actually struggling, it's a pretty big game and most of the arguments/interaction appear town on town to me. I agree that ritoky's opening posts wasn't great, ruxxar pointed out early on that his first post "hi guys I'm town, bye." seemed forced and marv went with it. If anyone stands out to me it's Harkon. I wasn't impressed with his entry which was: On July 06 2015 08:38 Harkon wrote:On July 06 2015 08:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Holyflare might be mafia for thinking that Marv is mafia.
My vote is serious now. Please explain this statement in more detail. But he never did get an answer nor did he follow up. Harkon didn't have any thoughts regarding anything that was going on in the thread at this point so you'd think the one thing he asks about he would push for an answer. Other than that there's not much original thought, he goes off the posts of others and says "I like this" and "you should elaborate on this" a lot. Even his little spat with rsoultin just now was only after kelsier was on about the whole xP thing. He's just kinda following the rhythm of the thread. Harkon do you think rsoultin is scum, or what?
Now to what WoS actually said: Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 12:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
'Pre planned' is dumb
Nobody actually does that Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 12:59 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 06 2015 12:55 ruXxar wrote:On July 06 2015 12:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
'Pre planned' is dumb
Nobody actually does that It's kinda like avoiding the topic though. If someone asks you why you said something and your response is "I wouldn't say that as mafia", then that seems more like a last line of defense rather than explaining why you actually said something. There's a difference between saying 'I wouldn't do this as mafia' and 'mafia wouldn't do this' in general. One is self meta and super shit. One is actually attempting to think. reading his post I actually don't think I know which that is Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 13:04 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 06 2015 13:03 ruXxar wrote:
Do you find it strange that he's scum reading you for town reading him? Not particularly Not sure if I should continue, cause I think he's giving a lot of leeway to WoS here in unscumreading him off these few posts where WoS is UNSURE about what clarity's post actually meant (this part: "reading his post I actually don't think I know which that is"). So I trust you guys to lynch this guy next after reading this, another argument would be the case he made on me. As I already mentioned he posted his case on me with a lot of hyperbole I'd usually only see from a super tunneled townie which he had no reason or appereance to be previously. I'm proceeding to find the other two scum.
It is really odd to immediately mention that they cant be mafia together.
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yeah i'm just going to pretend that i haven't asked for a clear explanation of why people are townreading bf half a dozen times ^^
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On July 20 2015 00:18 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 19 2015 23:45 Half the Sky wrote:
I'll be honest I really think there is one scum between Clarity/ras. There has to be another active Mafia. If scum team are WoS, etc..... >_<
I have no idea why Oats thinks Breshke or myself are scum.
I am wary right now of the people wanting to lynch Boxerfred going the easy lynch route.
Reading the competing cases.... This post is terrible. HTS doesnt realise Im calling breshke town. HTS also has a stupid assumption that is based off absolutely nothing. And finally, hts doesnt link the people wanting to lynch BF, aka clarity. So its not a townie mindset post at all. How do you think that people who push bf are scummy but never actually make a connection with your scumreads? Its way too general and typical mafia. if you are calling Breshke town then I retract that part of the sentence. I skimmed so I easily could have misread something. And Oats I already said I am wary of the people against BF.
Who are those people?
What exactly do you mean by wary?
Why is it scummy in this situation to push someone you think is town? Im sure you think rux is town too, why arent the people on rux scummy?
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On July 20 2015 00:20 rsoultin wrote:
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yeah i'm just going to pretend that i haven't asked for a clear explanation of why people are townreading bf half a dozen times ^^
2 dumb 2 b mafia.
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I think HtS is town. She could have easily parked her vote and said she's too busy, take 30 minutes and pretend to do work and then bugger off, but she's still here trying to solve the game. She set it up perfectly for her to just afk today, and she didn't. This would only make sense if ruxxar was her scum partner but since I don't think ruxxar is scum, that makes hts town.
I'm willing to consolidate on EBH as I definitely prefer it over rsoultin at the moment. I'm hoping hts can get her shit together and get a concrete read on rsoultin before the end of n5.
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On July 20 2015 00:21 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2015 00:20 rsoultin wrote:
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yeah i'm just going to pretend that i haven't asked for a clear explanation of why people are townreading bf half a dozen times ^^ 2 dumb 2 b mafia.
except i was losing brain cells just attempting to read the first page of his scum filter? so clearly it's more nuanced than 'making rsoul see red' lol ><
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Well not exactly 2 dumb 2 b mafia, but hes really enthusiastic and posts without thinking all the time.
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On July 20 2015 00:22 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2015 00:21 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 20 2015 00:20 rsoultin wrote:
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yeah i'm just going to pretend that i haven't asked for a clear explanation of why people are townreading bf half a dozen times ^^ 2 dumb 2 b mafia. except i was losing brain cells just attempting to read the first page of his scum filter? so clearly it's more nuanced than 'making rsoul see red' lol ><
whats his scum filter.
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On July 20 2015 00:20 rsoultin wrote:
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yeah i'm just going to pretend that i haven't asked for a clear explanation of why people are townreading bf half a dozen times ^^
HtS is right, bf's filter in NSM10 is completely different compared to here.
He didn't tunnel, and he had long reasonable posts, the opposite of this game.
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On July 20 2015 00:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think HtS is town. She could have easily parked her vote and said she's too busy, take 30 minutes and pretend to do work and then bugger off, but she's still here trying to solve the game. She set it up perfectly for her to just afk today, and she didn't. This would only make sense if ruxxar was her scum partner but since I don't think ruxxar is scum, that makes hts town.
I'm willing to consolidate on EBH as I definitely prefer it over rsoultin at the moment. I'm hoping hts can get her shit together and get a concrete read on rsoultin before the end of n5.
How did she set it up to afk?
No, this read is complete bullshit.
Why wont you try and mislead town in a very very very important lynch?
Why would you bugger off and let town possibly lynch mafia?
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The amount of pocketing/buddying going on here is intense clarity.
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On July 20 2015 00:24 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2015 00:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think HtS is town. She could have easily parked her vote and said she's too busy, take 30 minutes and pretend to do work and then bugger off, but she's still here trying to solve the game. She set it up perfectly for her to just afk today, and she didn't. This would only make sense if ruxxar was her scum partner but since I don't think ruxxar is scum, that makes hts town.
I'm willing to consolidate on EBH as I definitely prefer it over rsoultin at the moment. I'm hoping hts can get her shit together and get a concrete read on rsoultin before the end of n5. How did she set it up to afk? No, this read is complete bullshit. Why wont you try and mislead town in a very very very important lynch? Why would you bugger off and let town possibly lynch mafia?
She's mentioned like 50 times that she's going to be less active starting d5 (or n4 or something)
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I skimmed it and it seems like hes way more serious and his stuff looks decent at first glance.
So yeah, can we not lynch him today...
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I can't pocket hts she's moving towards scumreading me, lol.
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On July 20 2015 00:23 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2015 00:20 rsoultin wrote:
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yeah i'm just going to pretend that i haven't asked for a clear explanation of why people are townreading bf half a dozen times ^^ HtS is right, bf's filter in NSM10 is completely different compared to here. He didn't tunnel, and he had long reasonable posts, the opposite of this game.
quote the long reasonable posts?
like i said i can't get past the first page -_- it's like reading sicklucker for me
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On July 20 2015 00:25 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2015 00:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 20 2015 00:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think HtS is town. She could have easily parked her vote and said she's too busy, take 30 minutes and pretend to do work and then bugger off, but she's still here trying to solve the game. She set it up perfectly for her to just afk today, and she didn't. This would only make sense if ruxxar was her scum partner but since I don't think ruxxar is scum, that makes hts town.
I'm willing to consolidate on EBH as I definitely prefer it over rsoultin at the moment. I'm hoping hts can get her shit together and get a concrete read on rsoultin before the end of n5. How did she set it up to afk? No, this read is complete bullshit. Why wont you try and mislead town in a very very very important lynch? Why would you bugger off and let town possibly lynch mafia? She's mentioned like 50 times that she's going to be less active starting d5 (or n4 or something)
And this is alignment indicative?
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On July 20 2015 00:25 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2015 00:25 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 20 2015 00:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 20 2015 00:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think HtS is town. She could have easily parked her vote and said she's too busy, take 30 minutes and pretend to do work and then bugger off, but she's still here trying to solve the game. She set it up perfectly for her to just afk today, and she didn't. This would only make sense if ruxxar was her scum partner but since I don't think ruxxar is scum, that makes hts town.
I'm willing to consolidate on EBH as I definitely prefer it over rsoultin at the moment. I'm hoping hts can get her shit together and get a concrete read on rsoultin before the end of n5. How did she set it up to afk? No, this read is complete bullshit. Why wont you try and mislead town in a very very very important lynch? Why would you bugger off and let town possibly lynch mafia? She's mentioned like 50 times that she's going to be less active starting d5 (or n4 or something) And this is alignment indicative?
WHEN SHE SAYS I CANT BE AROUND AND THEN PUTS IN A TON OF EFFORT YES I'D SAY SO.
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actually, just one of them is good
sorry
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On July 20 2015 00:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
I can't pocket hts she's moving towards scumreading me, lol.
trying your best.
Did you respond to the vivax case i spoilered at the top of this page?
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