EPTTL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden - Page 397
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Clarity_nl
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ObiWanShinobi
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That statement is probably the second time I remember him saying something that made no sense as a scumread. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On July 19 2015 12:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I can lynch Bf. That statement is probably the second time I remember him saying something that made no sense as a scumread. I dont think these types of things make BF scum though. | ||
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Breshke
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On July 19 2015 13:01 Breshke wrote: I dont think these types of things make BF scum though. Do you have a better idea? My proposal is to lynch either him or wave. | ||
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Breshke
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Trfel
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Breshke
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On July 19 2015 13:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Do you have a better idea? My proposal is to lynch either him or wave. No, I have a gut feeling we should lynch rsoultin but i cant quantify it nor have reason to trust it, Like i want to vote someone that voted on HF because im fairly sure there is two scum on that wagon which might also be a reason why vivax was killed instead of HTS if HTS is town. Holyflare (8): LightningStrike, Clarity_nl, WaveofShadow, Trfel, Oatsmaster, rsoultin, ObiWanShinobi, Half the Sky LS is dead, you are town and im fairly sure oats is town. Then im less sure of these but i think HTS is town and trfel even less sure. So it leaves me with Wos, Rsoul and clarity. A WoS lynch is boring so I guess i want to lynch clarity or rsoul | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On July 19 2015 10:35 Half the Sky wrote: Ras can you sum up your main argument against BF? I don't have a whole lot of time left here but in his town games where he was always behind you people really think he's faking his emotions? Or so called dumbtells? Let me power through nsm10....stand by. nah, it's nothing as specific as that? like, it's partly poe and partly his overall play here was so subpar that i thought it probably wasn't scum, especially with the "dumbtell", however like he was really playing up that whole "i'm lost and don't know what i'm doing" thing in his scum game, too here he just comes up with an excuse to afk his vote and yeah it's partially cause i've got a lot of townreads/leans in the rest of y'all as for trfel, clarity...i still kinda trust my toneread? i know that's not what people want to hear xP and it hasn't been a terribly good game for him, but like, it's a personality thing? truffle wants to be right so he'll put the work in as town, fret over it, and if he can't, just be one lazy mofo...as scum there's no need to be that thorough? like, i really doubt he's scum here | ||
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Breshke
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
while i'm aware that it's a personal bias of mine to be resistant to the idea that someone actually is stupid, it's a bias i don't mind having the bigger question is who is scum if not him? i'm not ^^ you can lynch me and find out for sure and go straight to mylo, if you want. my give a shits this game are coming in short supply for all the non-reasons people have to think i'm scum you seem to think ruxx isn't for whatever reason -_- who does that leave, bresh? | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On July 19 2015 14:00 rsoultin wrote: i dunnae, bresh. i'll look into it again more closely, i guess, but frankly with the numbers of the players right on the OP, i'd call it playing dumb. i'd call it playing dumb for him to repeatedly reference a game hts wasn't even in while i'm aware that it's a personal bias of mine to be resistant to the idea that someone actually is stupid, it's a bias i don't mind having the bigger question is who is scum if not him? i'm not ^^ you can lynch me and find out for sure and go straight to mylo, if you want. my give a shits this game are coming in short supply for all the non-reasons people have to think i'm scum you seem to think ruxx isn't for whatever reason -_- who does that leave, bresh? You, clarity, VA and WoS. I can understand your frustration if you are town, i know im not even really presenting reason on why you are scum other than dead peoples opinions and some shitty votecount thing. Talk to me about this rsoul. Your curent world is a scumteam of Ruxxar, BF and EBH. None of these people voted on HF yesterday do you think it is viable to believe that scum didn't vote on him at all? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On July 19 2015 14:10 Breshke wrote: You, clarity, VA and WoS. I can understand your frustration if you are town, i know im not even really presenting reason on why you are scum other than dead peoples opinions and some shitty votecount thing. Talk to me about this rsoul. Your curent world is a scumteam of Ruxxar, BF and EBH. None of these people voted on HF yesterday do you think it is viable to believe that scum didn't vote on him at all? should i bother? like i doubt you can understand my frustration at all. i do not believe that a town ruxx would think this way, and even if he did, wouldn't bother reading my filter or trying to determine my alignment all game i already told you that i thought ruxx, bf, va, wave, clarity were where you'd find the scum, and yes, that's in the order of certainty no. in all honesty i don't think it was terribly likely that there were no scum on hf lol >< i'm just not seeing many people who i think are particularly scummy on his wagon? i was looking into obi before you cleared him and i'm not 100% sold that clarity is town, or wave, but as for the rest...-shrugs- i do think it's a bit ridiculous to base your scumreads off arbitrary "there must be 2 on the wagon and 1 off" sort of assumptions, however, instead of actually evaluating the play. why must that be the case, and why use an assumption based on nothing like that when it could easily lead you astray? like, seriously, if scum can get away with not voting for hf, you don't think they would? what's more concerning to me and what should be more concerning to y'all is that these alternate wagons of 1s and 2s were never ever going to be lynched but all the "dissenters" parked on different ones instead of at least agreeing on a counterwagon. it's ridiculously pointless to waste a vote like that, especially for people so sure that hf is town i dunnae. no, i don't think all scum voted off-wagon but i'm going to look for who i think is scum frankly, if you hadn't claimed jk with reasonable logic behind that claim, your single vote on the sidelines there looked pretty bad to me -_- while talking about not liking the lynch | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On July 19 2015 14:30 rsoultin wrote: should i bother? like i doubt you can understand my frustration at all. i do not believe that a town ruxx would think this way, and even if he did, wouldn't bother reading my filter or trying to determine my alignment all game i already told you that i thought ruxx, bf, va, wave, clarity were where you'd find the scum, and yes, that's in the order of certainty no. in all honesty i don't think it was terribly likely that there were no scum on hf lol >< i'm just not seeing many people who i think are particularly scummy on his wagon? i was looking into obi before you cleared him and i'm not 100% sold that clarity is town, or wave, but as for the rest...-shrugs- i do think it's a bit ridiculous to base your scumreads off arbitrary "there must be 2 on the wagon and 1 off" sort of assumptions, however, instead of actually evaluating the play. why must that be the case, and why use an assumption based on nothing like that when it could easily lead you astray? like, seriously, if scum can get away with not voting for hf, you don't think they would? what's more concerning to me and what should be more concerning to y'all is that these alternate wagons of 1s and 2s were never ever going to be lynched but all the "dissenters" parked on different ones instead of at least agreeing on a counterwagon. it's ridiculously pointless to waste a vote like that, especially for people so sure that hf is town i dunnae. no, i don't think all scum voted off-wagon but i'm going to look for who i think is scum frankly, if you hadn't claimed jk with reasonable logic behind that claim, your single vote on the sidelines there looked pretty bad to me -_- while talking about not liking the lynch yeah hence why i used my power early lol. I knew where i stood. I'm not solely basing my reads off of that there has to be 2 on the HF wagon but it obviously needs consideration because there IS scum on that wagon. The reason i think you are scum is because you had this long fight with HF and nothign was achieved your read on him hardly changed and it was just tedious. Then after he flips you start doing the same thing with ruxxar. I don't feel like you have taken HF's reads into account now and as town i feel like you WOULD do this because you hate it when people ignore you after you die. I wasn't exactly sure HF was town anda majority of the people who thought HF was town also thought iw as scum so me consolidating with them wasn't really going to happen. | ||
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Trfel
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Trfel
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Rsoultin could probably fool me, rsoultin could definitely pocket me, but I still feel like her play would look completely different to this as mafia. Less emotional, more "pristine". Half the Sky could probably fool me, and I haven't really looked at her. But her play seems to have a "town spark". That leaves Clarity_nl. I think he's scum. Mafia nightkilled Vivax. Vivax was scumreading Clarity_nl. Holyflare brought up good reasons for lynching him as well. It's not entirely logical, mostly just a feeling. But I'll take it. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
But he took a break to completely switch his read on Holyflare, willing to lynch him just for martyring? This isn't something that someone who is calm, and is actually caring about the game, would do. Someone tell me why I'm wrong. | ||
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XEliteBlueHunter69X
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On July 19 2015 15:42 Trfel wrote: Clarity_nl's been posting and active. Why? The game has been depressing, there has been a million pages, town has had some terrible role claims and some terrible lynches. And Clarity_nl is still going, just as confidently as ever, just as active as ever. But he took a break to completely switch his read on Holyflare, willing to lynch him just for martyring? This isn't something that someone who is calm, and is actually caring about the game, would do. Someone tell me why I'm wrong. playing devils advocate, it was like the third time HF did it, straw that breaks the camels back etc. I think you have a good point though | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Like seriously, what the heck? And yeah, it's just hard for me to see town playing the game this cleanly. With this many pages, and this many frustrations, town is going to get emotional, town is going to crack sometimes, town is going to have trouble keeping up with the thread, town is going to lose their objectivity sometimes. You can see that in almost everyone's play, even Holyflare's, to some extent. But not really in Clarity_nl, and not really in Half the Sky (from what I saw, anyway). Breshke, Clarity_nl didn't really mind it the first two times, right? Why would the third time make any difference? Clarity_nl continued to put effort into the game, and didn't seem at all upset/frustrated by Holyflare? And then continued to vote for Holyflare after he came back, right? It's not sensible, except as a pure emotional reaction (but even then, is hard to see), but that's completely incongruous with the rest of his play this game. Lynch Clarity_nl. | ||
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