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I waffled so often on HtS that some of my stuff is contradictory, but in a world where HtS is town all of the above is true.
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EBWOP
Earlier I've townread rsoultin for hinting at Trfel's irl issues, which I find hard to believe if rsoultin is scum and trfel is town. I also found it hard to believe if they're both scum, but perhaps I should ignore that and look more closely. I think if rsoultin is scum that makes trfel scum as well. This is because I believe as scum rsoultin would feel bad about using info she has irl to make her fake reads ingame. However if they are both scum she would not feel this way. As town you can't really help it, and she did what appears to be her best to not mention it outright in thread
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If we're both town and we manage to both feel confident about this by tomorrow I think we can solve this game HtS. There's not a lot of wiggle room for scum, assuming at least 1 scum voted for HF (seems kinda hard for that not to be true) we'd only need to townread one or two people and we're there.
I really don't think oats is scum, it would mean he figured out geript was blue on d1 and then decided to let him live (the VT PM + scumslip stuff)
Anyway hopefully I can get a confident read on you in the morning.
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On July 19 2015 10:19 Half the Sky wrote:
I have played with Ras before she always says its not her place to talk about others RL issues.
Yeah this is my assumption. I think she would not use it as scum unless trfel was also scum and they agreed on it, hence my conclusion. What do you think?
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ebwop "she wouldn't use trfel's irl stuff as scum to townread him unless trfel is also scum"
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On July 19 2015 10:28 Half the Sky wrote:
The read I don't understand is BF. His town game is very poor in general because he has has zero town coaching in newbie game. His only newbie he was scum. Ras seems to have gotten her read on him from nsm10 so I need to read that filter again. I thought he was town here but apparently the too scum to be scum applied in the game he was actually scum.
This game the number of scum thing he didn't know but I don't recall him acting THAT dumb in nsm10.
His read on me is a fear read which is NAI, but complete understandable from a town perspective.
You are POEing Trfel regardless of DMA?
Yeah pretty much. I have to be wrong somewhere and I think it's much more likely to be trfel than WoS. WoS is actively not giving a shit by being actually afk. Trfel on the other hand shows up sometimes and does nothing.
bf is the same story. Basically I ended up with too many townreads after the breshke/OWS thing, which means either this is some brilliant move by scum!Breshke (which I doubt very highly) or I'm wrong somewhere.
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On July 19 2015 10:30 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2015 10:23 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 19 2015 10:19 Half the Sky wrote:
I have played with Ras before she always says its not her place to talk about others RL issues. Yeah this is my assumption. I think she would not use it as scum unless trfel was also scum and they agreed on it, hence my conclusion. What do you think? I honestly think she could say that as either alignment (the its not my place, etc thing) that's just who she is independently of the game. Unless I misunderstood.
Like she's used it to townread trfel on multiple occasions this game. I can understand this from a town perspective, but as scum I think it would make me (and by extension her) feel a bit.... ugh I dunno, uncomfortable? Giving out a fake townread (because you know they're town because you're scum) by using their irl circumstances.
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On July 19 2015 10:38 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2015 10:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
If we're both town and we manage to both feel confident about this by tomorrow I think we can solve this game HtS. There's not a lot of wiggle room for scum, assuming at least 1 scum voted for HF (seems kinda hard for that not to be true) we'd only need to townread one or two people and we're there.
I really don't think oats is scum, it would mean he figured out geript was blue on d1 and then decided to let him live (the VT PM + scumslip stuff)
Anyway hopefully I can get a confident read on you in the morning. This is incorrect, oats thought geript was mafia and that it was a scumslip. I had this argument with oats where we argued about scumslips. I tried to subtly tell oats that geript could be a PR, but oats apparently didn't get the picture. Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 01:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 01:26 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 01:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 01:17 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 00:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 00:50 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 00:01 ruXxar wrote:
@oats:
You're really tryharding for day 1, what's gotten into you?
You're actually trying to take charge, ask questions, push the thread and figure out stuff, pretty much unlike you.
I'm feeling your presence too strongly.
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I've noticed that both Oats and Vivax have been tunneling hard on geript pretty much all day.
There's something about it that rubs me the wrong way.
I don't like how vivax came in and his first big post was just an opportunistic jump on trying to discredit geript.
#scumlean on vivax and oats. Sorry for playing the game? Why exactly is tunneling geript wrong? you have a townread on him? I don't like you tunneling geript for 2 reasons: - You're trying several times to call him mafia for scumslipping. - You voted on him saying you're "tired of this shit", when geript actually made a decent post about you instead of refuting it. I also disagree with this post from you: On July 07 2015 19:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Marv read the rest. I'm not kidding. We just played in a game, newbie something. Geript got lynched day 1, I was universally town read d1. So for Geript to say that I get scumread as town is inaccurate and he should know.
You got scum-read pretty hard that game. It's very selective to just look at day 1. And the reason you didn't get scumread as much early was because we had stronger scumreads, not because you were a town hero making solid cases. There's a difference between not getting lynched because there are better lynch targets, and getting universally town read. I called him scumslipping like twice. + Show Spoiler +On July 07 2015 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:16 geript wrote:On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun. Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you? First off, that's one word dumbass. Second the word investigator means nothing to me. It shouldn't to anyone. It's fucking stupid. Roles are listed in the op. scumslip On July 07 2015 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:22 geript wrote:
I think he's trying to say he scumslipped and was just following what HF did early not realizing there are two investigators. scumslip x2 On July 07 2015 19:06 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:16 geript wrote:On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun. Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you? First off, that's one word dumbass. Second the word investigator means nothing to me. It shouldn't to anyone. It's fucking stupid. Roles are listed in the op. Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:22 geript wrote:
I think he's trying to say he scumslipped and was just following what HF did early not realizing there are two investigators. Also scum slip . On July 07 2015 00:35 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:30 ruXxar wrote:On July 07 2015 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:22 geript wrote:
I think he's trying to say he scumslipped and was just following what HF did early not realizing there are two investigators. scumslip x2 Bullshit. Scum are the least likely to slip anything zzz. Look, just cause geript spouted some shit last game, doesnt mean he didnt slip this game. Regardless, he is scum outside of that On July 07 2015 00:40 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:38 geript wrote:On July 07 2015 00:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:30 ruXxar wrote:On July 07 2015 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:22 geript wrote:
I think he's trying to say he scumslipped and was just following what HF did early not realizing there are two investigators. scumslip x2 Bullshit. Scum are the least likely to slip anything zzz. Look, just cause geript spouted some shit last game, doesnt mean he didnt slip this game. Regardless, he is scum outside of that Awe.... That's cute. You still believe in scumslips. This is what you're second or third game. Don't worry. You'll grow up at some point. Im sure you have never ever slipped as mafia. I do it like once a game but no one ever notices. yeah that was one time. It was one complete conversation. Is this really the only thing you got outta the reply? Ok then. Marv, whatever I cant read xxx. It's not the fact that it's one conversation, but the fact that you later(which you can see by the timestamp in the third quote), went back and emphasized the fact that he scum slipped as if that somehow lends credence to your argument. yeah so it was twice, once when i mentioned the 2 part scumslip, then the next time when I reminded people. Whats your problem? Dont you think its a scumslip? Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 01:36 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 01:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 01:26 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 01:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 01:17 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 00:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 00:50 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 00:01 ruXxar wrote:
@oats:
You're really tryharding for day 1, what's gotten into you?
You're actually trying to take charge, ask questions, push the thread and figure out stuff, pretty much unlike you.
I'm feeling your presence too strongly.
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I've noticed that both Oats and Vivax have been tunneling hard on geript pretty much all day.
There's something about it that rubs me the wrong way.
I don't like how vivax came in and his first big post was just an opportunistic jump on trying to discredit geript.
#scumlean on vivax and oats. Sorry for playing the game? Why exactly is tunneling geript wrong? you have a townread on him? I don't like you tunneling geript for 2 reasons: - You're trying several times to call him mafia for scumslipping. - You voted on him saying you're "tired of this shit", when geript actually made a decent post about you instead of refuting it. I also disagree with this post from you: On July 07 2015 19:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Marv read the rest. I'm not kidding. We just played in a game, newbie something. Geript got lynched day 1, I was universally town read d1. So for Geript to say that I get scumread as town is inaccurate and he should know.
You got scum-read pretty hard that game. It's very selective to just look at day 1. And the reason you didn't get scumread as much early was because we had stronger scumreads, not because you were a town hero making solid cases. There's a difference between not getting lynched because there are better lynch targets, and getting universally town read. I called him scumslipping like twice. + Show Spoiler +On July 07 2015 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:16 geript wrote:On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun. Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you? First off, that's one word dumbass. Second the word investigator means nothing to me. It shouldn't to anyone. It's fucking stupid. Roles are listed in the op. scumslip On July 07 2015 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:22 geript wrote:
I think he's trying to say he scumslipped and was just following what HF did early not realizing there are two investigators. scumslip x2 On July 07 2015 19:06 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:16 geript wrote:On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun. Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you? First off, that's one word dumbass. Second the word investigator means nothing to me. It shouldn't to anyone. It's fucking stupid. Roles are listed in the op. Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:22 geript wrote:
I think he's trying to say he scumslipped and was just following what HF did early not realizing there are two investigators. Also scum slip . On July 07 2015 00:35 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:30 ruXxar wrote:On July 07 2015 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:22 geript wrote:
I think he's trying to say he scumslipped and was just following what HF did early not realizing there are two investigators. scumslip x2 Bullshit. Scum are the least likely to slip anything zzz. Look, just cause geript spouted some shit last game, doesnt mean he didnt slip this game. Regardless, he is scum outside of that On July 07 2015 00:40 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:38 geript wrote:On July 07 2015 00:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:30 ruXxar wrote:On July 07 2015 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:22 geript wrote:
I think he's trying to say he scumslipped and was just following what HF did early not realizing there are two investigators. scumslip x2 Bullshit. Scum are the least likely to slip anything zzz. Look, just cause geript spouted some shit last game, doesnt mean he didnt slip this game. Regardless, he is scum outside of that Awe.... That's cute. You still believe in scumslips. This is what you're second or third game. Don't worry. You'll grow up at some point. Im sure you have never ever slipped as mafia. I do it like once a game but no one ever notices. yeah that was one time. It was one complete conversation. Is this really the only thing you got outta the reply? Ok then. Marv, whatever I cant read xxx. It's not the fact that it's one conversation, but the fact that you later(which you can see by the timestamp in the third quote), went back and emphasized the fact that he scum slipped as if that somehow lends credence to your argument. yeah so it was twice, once when i mentioned the 2 part scumslip, then the next time when I reminded people. Whats your problem? Dont you think its a scumslip? I can think of other reasons.... I wouldn't take that risk day 1. Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 01:37 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 01:36 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 01:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 01:26 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 01:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 01:17 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 00:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 00:50 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
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Sorry for playing the game?
Why exactly is tunneling geript wrong?
you have a townread on him?
I don't like you tunneling geript for 2 reasons: - You're trying several times to call him mafia for scumslipping. - You voted on him saying you're "tired of this shit", when geript actually made a decent post about you instead of refuting it. I also disagree with this post from you: On July 07 2015 19:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Marv read the rest. I'm not kidding. We just played in a game, newbie something. Geript got lynched day 1, I was universally town read d1. So for Geript to say that I get scumread as town is inaccurate and he should know.
You got scum-read pretty hard that game. It's very selective to just look at day 1. And the reason you didn't get scumread as much early was because we had stronger scumreads, not because you were a town hero making solid cases. There's a difference between not getting lynched because there are better lynch targets, and getting universally town read. I called him scumslipping like twice. + Show Spoiler +On July 07 2015 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:16 geript wrote:On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun. Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you? First off, that's one word dumbass. Second the word investigator means nothing to me. It shouldn't to anyone. It's fucking stupid. Roles are listed in the op. scumslip On July 07 2015 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:22 geript wrote:
I think he's trying to say he scumslipped and was just following what HF did early not realizing there are two investigators. scumslip x2 On July 07 2015 19:06 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:16 geript wrote:On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun. Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you? First off, that's one word dumbass. Second the word investigator means nothing to me. It shouldn't to anyone. It's fucking stupid. Roles are listed in the op. Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:22 geript wrote:
I think he's trying to say he scumslipped and was just following what HF did early not realizing there are two investigators. Also scum slip . On July 07 2015 00:35 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:30 ruXxar wrote:On July 07 2015 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:22 geript wrote:
I think he's trying to say he scumslipped and was just following what HF did early not realizing there are two investigators. scumslip x2 Bullshit. Scum are the least likely to slip anything zzz. Look, just cause geript spouted some shit last game, doesnt mean he didnt slip this game. Regardless, he is scum outside of that On July 07 2015 00:40 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:38 geript wrote:On July 07 2015 00:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:30 ruXxar wrote:On July 07 2015 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:22 geript wrote:
I think he's trying to say he scumslipped and was just following what HF did early not realizing there are two investigators. scumslip x2 Bullshit. Scum are the least likely to slip anything zzz. Look, just cause geript spouted some shit last game, doesnt mean he didnt slip this game. Regardless, he is scum outside of that Awe.... That's cute. You still believe in scumslips. This is what you're second or third game. Don't worry. You'll grow up at some point. Im sure you have never ever slipped as mafia. I do it like once a game but no one ever notices. yeah that was one time. It was one complete conversation. Is this really the only thing you got outta the reply? Ok then. Marv, whatever I cant read xxx. It's not the fact that it's one conversation, but the fact that you later(which you can see by the timestamp in the third quote), went back and emphasized the fact that he scum slipped as if that somehow lends credence to your argument. yeah so it was twice, once when i mentioned the 2 part scumslip, then the next time when I reminded people. Whats your problem? Dont you think its a scumslip? I can think of other reasons.... I wouldn't take that risk day 1. WHAT RISK IS THERE? HOW IS THAT NOT A SCUMSLIP. Wave, how is that being a dick?
Yeah which all reads like town oats. If oats was scum he would realize geript messing up in regards to the VT PM would make him blue, and murder him.
And if you recall I did the same.
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rsoultin when you're around I'd love for you to give me an updated read on trfel. You still think he's town? Is it because of DMA or something else?
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I am around until about 14 hours from this post and I won't be around at deadline btw.
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On July 19 2015 13:04 Breshke wrote:
Ahh and i just noticed clarity in your analysis you said you think HTS is likely town but are going to put her back at null but then still colour her green and dont consider her in your scumteams. Is this on purpose?
On July 19 2015 10:08 Clarity_nl wrote:
I waffled so often on HtS that some of my stuff is contradictory, but in a world where HtS is town all of the above is true.
As for Trfel suddenly posting 20 reasons why I'm scum, this is what we call scum flailing.
I'm sorry rsoultin but I think you're wrong. If I'm not wrong on trfel that kinda means HtS has to be scum and I don't see it.
On July 19 2015 13:02 Breshke wrote:
Also clarity what if Ruxxar did think you and HF were masons suggested the kill and then his team told him otherwise.
Seems unlikely, from what I understand HF is a good n1 kill regardless. Not impossible, mind you, but mafia isn't an exact science.
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ebwop if I'm wrong on trfel
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On July 19 2015 21:51 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2015 14:36 Breshke wrote:
Actually no we don't gain anything from taking the risk and lynching damdred today. Fairly sure either way geript and ritoky get no more checks this game.
##Vote Milo yeah I dont think breshke is the JK.
He changed his mind shortly after, I've already brought this up earlier in the game.
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So you think breshke fakeclaiming jk is just hoping that OWS isn't a blue role and goes "wait a minute, I wasn't roleblocked"?
Also why am I scum?
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I think you're wrong about breshke, he also hasn't tried to push anyone this cycle.
I think for me the more important question is why am I scum?
For example what reason do I have to switch from ruxxar to trfel?
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On July 19 2015 22:12 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2015 22:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think you're wrong about breshke, he also hasn't tried to push anyone this cycle.
I think for me the more important question is why am I scum?
For example what reason do I have to switch from ruxxar to trfel? If they are both town, then it doesnt really matter? So you think that its reasonable to assume, 1. JK breshke doesnt want to lynch other claimed JK damdred, 2. JK breshke saves her jail till night 4, which is not even the best night to do it. Why not night 5??? preventing a nightkill makes it mylo not lylo so breshke needs to be around to claim it. So saying that she wanted to use it before she dies doesnt help town at all.
Basically the way I see it is damdred was getting lynched anyway.
Breshke also mentioned he(?) wanted to save it another night but was afraid of getting lynched. You explain yourself that for breshke's JK to do anything he needs to be alive otherwise it's useless, so I can understand using it n4.
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On July 19 2015 22:16 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2015 22:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think you're wrong about breshke, he also hasn't tried to push anyone this cycle.
Because she wants to lynch the current person leading the votes. Why do you think breshke is town?
Is breshke male or female? I thought he was a guy.
JK claim makes a lot of sense to me. The target makes sense to me and the timing makes sense to me.
Other than that I was scumreading him for a bit and then moved him to null, he was in no real danger to get lynched. I would make no sense as town!breshke could easily lie about being 1-shot which means scum have to shoot him tonight anyway. He's definitely not the lynch today.
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Alright go with me here for a second oats, let's ignore the breshke thing because he's a bad lycnh today. Assume wave and myself are town, who are scum, other than HtS?
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Oh, I've been referring to Breshke as a him all game and no ones corrected me :o
I don't think OWS was an awful JK target to be honest. I think if ruxxar was scum he had a high chance of not carrying KP. And I think choosing between ruxxar/OWS made sense.
Damdred had to claim cause he got tracked bro, how can you compare the two.
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