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lol >< i forgot ruxx made that post
hf isn't a nasty shit though! i mean...not quite as nasty!
okay, ruxx. okay xP
i swam again today ^^
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well, that happened -_-
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On July 14 2015 06:34 boxerfred wrote:
I need to look into HtS. In Himalayas, I instanty townread him (her?). Which was a sick mistake. I'm not trusting HtS but I really need to catch up.
-squints at- ummm...himalayas? like, dude, hts didn't play in himalayas?
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On July 14 2015 06:40 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 06:32 rsoultin wrote:
lol >< i forgot ruxx made that post
hf isn't a nasty shit though! i mean...not quite as nasty!
okay, ruxx. okay xP
i swam again today ^^ I'm not saying he did a 360 backflip and changed his behavior completely and became an angel from heaven. I'm saying there's a difference in how he expresses himself and acts in this game as compared to the last one.
if you could demonstrate that in more than just blanket, easy to spew statements sometime this night phase, that would be awesome ^^
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less, actually...but like...lol you really think he slipped...then tried to pass it off as a joke?
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o.0 i don't know whether to \o/ for jat or just...meh -_-
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it's a wild trfel! catch it! -pounces-
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i think it's kinda obvious what trfel is saying, ows? (and a really good point, lol ><)
ruxxar just got out of a game where he was scum with hf and saw him somehow survive a red check through three consecutive day phases, so if anything he should at least be somewhat wary of hf's alignment? almost the entirety of the rest of the game is, and we've all seen hf play as both alignments numerous times. it's weird he's that certain
like if hf is town this game, i think ruxx buddying up like this and acting like his parrot is even scummier, to be completely honest
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like, in general, i do not understand ruxxar's approach to either holyflare or myself given last game. he's seen exactly what happens when people start nitpicking my shit and he saw how i defended gb and damdy last game but this game i'm scum for "defending" trfel?
and hf is town cause he's not being as cantankerous?
but trfel's right in that ruxx hasn't seemed to be concerned about hf at all this game
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that was this day phase ruxx...lol is hf your trfel? xP
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oh i'm sorry that wasn't trfel's point lol that was breshke's
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On July 14 2015 11:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 11:37 rsoultin wrote:
i think it's kinda obvious what trfel is saying, ows? (and a really good point, lol ><)
ruxxar just got out of a game where he was scum with hf and saw him somehow survive a red check through three consecutive day phases, so if anything he should at least be somewhat wary of hf's alignment? almost the entirety of the rest of the game is, and we've all seen hf play as both alignments numerous times. it's weird he's that certain
like if hf is town this game, i think ruxx buddying up like this and acting like his parrot is even scummier, to be completely honest I get the point, but I've been in the same position because I hard townread Hf in a game a long, long time ago right after he beat me as scum. Just because it's Hf doesn't mean that people can't legitimately townread him.
lol i'm aware of that, ows...and there are people in this game legitimately decent (at least above average for this general group of players) at reading hf. i'm one of them and i'm not certain. neither are others
like, it's not so much the hard townread as it is the hard townread from the start with no questioning it
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On July 14 2015 10:24 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 09:56 KelsierSC wrote:On July 14 2015 09:44 Trfel wrote:Adding ruXxar to the scum pool. + Show Spoiler [Reasons, if you're interested in…] +He scumread me (Trfel) without explaining his reasoning. He seemed to really want to lynch me (enough to repeat himself without prompting about it), but not enough to clearly state why, for people who hadn't read Student Mafia 11. Furthermore, his scumread on me was posted well after my opening post, and his vote was made even after that. This doesn't feel like a town mindset.
The first main push in the thread was Damdred's push on LightningStrike. RuXxar was one of the people who didn't say anything about the push. However, a few pages later, RuXxar seemed accepting of the push (asked LightningStrike what he was trying to say with his list of scott31337's games). He didn't mention LightningStrike again for a while, though. His interest in LightningStrike doesn't feel very high at all, which is strange, especially since he townread Damdred. If he didn't like the push, he should have said so; as it is, he gave himself room to jump on it later, while largely avoiding it.
His townread of Damdred and scott31337 seems to be for a trap, which made no sense whatsoever. Making a post that contains no relevant information or reads generally isn't a reason for someone to be town.
RuXxar switching his main scumread from me to Clarity_nl has several problems. First, it shows he wasn't really reading the game clearly, or he would have thought of this at the start, not only when someone mentioned something that had been said many times already. Second, why did he scumread and vote Clarity_nl and completely ignore Holyflare, while scumreading Clarity_nl for an association with Holyflare early on? His interest in Holyflare is nonexistant.
Then, instead of discussing his scumreads, he just says that everyone questioning or being suspicious of Clarity_nl is towny.
Yes, this is different from how he played last game (as mafia). But it's also very different from how he played as town. Having done well as scum last game, I can see him excited to play scum again (especially if it's with Holyflare again, as I suspect). And his early play is very, very hard to see from a town perspective, while the mafia motivation seems clear. can you explain the damdred, scott thing to me Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:00 ruXxar wrote:
Damdred if you start with tone reads and meta then I'm just done with you :p Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:05 ruXxar wrote:On July 06 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote:On July 06 2015 08:00 ruXxar wrote:
Damdred if you start with tone reads and meta then I'm just done with you :p Don't be bad meta is excellent especially with someone you know very well. Io think I've called ls alignment the past 9 games 100%. This early it's an excellent tool ls is acting scum,and had to be prompted to do his normal thing. I'm pretty sure he rolled,scum On July 06 2015 08:03 scott31337 wrote:On July 06 2015 08:00 ruXxar wrote:
Damdred if you start with tone reads and meta then I'm just done with you :p You need to let it go... Meta can be an amazing tool and on Day 1 with out votes it's quite helpful... Just like voting for BM since he rolls scum 80%+ y so serious? I love meta. #meta #meta #meta. (look at the spoilered quotes) Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:12 ruXxar wrote:
Top town at this point is damdred and Scott.
#BatTraps.
eh i'm not trying to be a wet blanket, trfel but this looks like it could easily just be trolling? if ruxx is scum, it's not for this lol ><
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meeeeeh if no one's here i'm going to stop spamming the thread on my lonesome and call down the blazingsmite!hand of doom
i agree with...marv, i think it was?...on viva, and am still pretty comfortable townreading him. i kinda think of him as a koshi-lite who flits from this to that and i don't think he should be included in any vig list (inb4 no one had him there and i'm just misremembering lol ><)
okay legitimately i'm having trouble >< i liked some of hf's direction today when he loosened up and despite harkon and hf both calling me an idiot, more or less, for thinking my play meant anything, i still think if hf is scum and i'm threatening to shoot him they might not want to gamble that i really am that brazen lol >< not as much a fan of him badgering at milo over and over again, though, when it was clear milo was going to ignore/troll us (yes i'm disregarding his treatment of me for objectivity's sake)
like there's a huge list of players who would be good vig shots here? i think i'd prefer scott just cause i'm going to want to lynch him tomorrow anyway xP but wave, ebh, kels, bf and yeah even trfel though i still think he's town would all be decent alternatives
apart from that...something about bf's posting this phase was throwing me off but i can't remember what it was? i dunnae. anyway, exam wednesday...i'll be sparse between now and then
ows it's something about the preachy awkward stiffyness in ruxx's posting and it's tone and i don't fucking know how to explain it except that it's wrong to me and this is what is so aggravating >< cause i don't know how to like, quantify shit that is unquantifiable
@ruxx - he wasn't questioning trfel. maybe you're a mindreader and can see browbeating as questioning, but i can't, and how quickly you jumped in to defend his "questioning" is suspect to me but i hardly want to talk about it because i'm trying to ignore that part of your play for now
^ clearly i refreshed before i posted this lol ><
dude, i don't know how you see a difference between how he browbeat me and fidei, confirmed town and how he's behaving here getting in pointless shitfights with not just me, but also harkon all but confirmed town and milo who we were lynching anyway. i'm not saying hf can't be town cause i'm doubting it myself, but i call bullshit on your supposed read
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explain your thought process at EoD1, ruxx
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On July 14 2015 12:27 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 12:23 rsoultin wrote:
explain your thought process at EoD1, ruxx Are you refering to the voting between MZ and BM?
yeeeees
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On July 08 2015 06:47 ruXxar wrote:
You guys switching off MZ are not thinking clearly.
What if mafia switches off then don't switch back?
GG no-lynch.
On July 08 2015 06:49 Blazinghand wrote:Vote Count Meapak_Ziphh (8): ObiWanShinobi, marvellosity, ruXxar, Harkon, boxerfred, Vivax, milo109, WaveofShadow
Bill Murray (10): geript, Holyflare, rsoultin, Clarity_nl, Damdred, Scot31337 Half the Sky, Ritoky, Breshke, LightningStrike
ritoky (4): Palmar, Bill Murray, Oatsmaster, trfel
Clarity_nl (1): Meapak_Ziphh
Milo109 (1): KelsierSC
Trfel (1): XEliteBlueHunter69X
Not Voting (0):
Currently, no one is set to be lynched. With 25 alive it takes 13 to lynch. Day ends at Tuesday, Jul 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .
Voting is Mandatory! Voting is done in the voting thread: (link)
[B]On July 08 2015 07:00 ruXxar wrote: I'm not done with you rsoul. I'll reply to you in a bit.
and you were so concerned about this, and cared so little about who we lynched, that you decided to stay on mz's train despite him having the lesser votes?
xP doesn't seem much like you believed a word you were saying. or were you just not paying attention to the votecount while you afk'd?
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it bugged me then and it still bugs me now that you were making so much damn noise while doing nothing about it and essentially disappearing during the shenanigans. admittedly it means less knowing that both were town, but it still feels like you were just saying something because you felt you needed to say something
anyway, i'm out, guys. someone look at this and tell me if i'm tunneling or not, because this is what caught my eye (along with that stiff tone thing that i mentioned earler lol >< but i don't know how to really show that) when reviewing ruxx's filter
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On July 14 2015 20:36 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 17:58 Trfel wrote:An Analysis of the Brussels Sprout Conversation+ Show Spoiler +Background: Oatsmaster mentioned that rsoultin's high usage of "xP" in this game suggests that she is mafia. KelsierSC analyzed several of rsoultin's games as both alignments and concluded that rsoultin uses "xP" more as mafia than as town, and her average in this game matched her town averages. However, he then analyzed only the first four pages of each game, and the "xP" count was not alignment indicative. On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation The post that started the conversation. On July 06 2015 22:35 marvellosity wrote:
kelsier is pretty obviously town tbh. On July 06 2015 22:36 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum
i'll explain later
Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation What is mafiaish about the retardation? You are being very defensive. It's a simple question, and it has a simple answer. However, as town, rsoultin doesn't care if she argues with people, doesn't care about looking good, tends to answer questions and discuss in a really round-about way, and really doesn't like dealing with people/reads she thinks are stupid. I know you're going to say that rsoultin does this as mafia too, just wait patiently...On July 06 2015 22:39 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:36 Harkon wrote:On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum
i'll explain later
Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation What is mafiaish about the retardation? You are being very defensive. Nothing if you have the intelligence of a brussels sprout XP Xp xp xp xp What is that now? 30? What rsoultin is saying is fairly obvious, at this point. If someone is smart, and they say/do something that is clearly below their intelligence, then this is a reasonable sign that they are mafia. The problem is that there are many reasons that people can incorrectly read people in this way (applying the method incorrectly, such as incorrect assumptions about people's intelligence, misreading the questions, people simply thinking in different ways, other factors like being high/drunk/etc). But the core of the read is a sensible read. There is no town motivation for intentionally being stupid. On July 06 2015 22:42 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:39 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 22:36 Harkon wrote:On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum
i'll explain later
Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation What is mafiaish about the retardation? You are being very defensive. Nothing if you have the intelligence of a brussels sprout XP Xp xp xp xp What is that now? 30? Let's assume for a minute that my intelligence is above the level of a brussels sprout. Same question. On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Swahili
I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people Swahili, as in that Harkon completely missed rsoultin's answer, as if it were in Swahili. Then rsoultin slightly expands on the same thing. On July 06 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Swahili
I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people so are you saying kels' retardation is alignment indicative then? On July 06 2015 22:49 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Swahili
I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people Keep dodging the issue. On July 06 2015 22:50 rsoultin wrote:
I'm saying it's retarded enough to doubt my townread on him
Kinda amazing how this leads right back to what my post said when I first posted it ^^ On July 06 2015 22:51 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:49 Harkon wrote:On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
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I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people Keep dodging the issue. Okay yeah lol you can be a brussels sprout if you want ^^ the imitation is spot on On July 06 2015 22:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:50 rsoultin wrote:
I'm saying it's retarded enough to doubt my townread on him
Kinda amazing how this leads right back to what my post said when I first posted it ^^ kinda amazing how i understand precisely what Hadron is getting at yet you keep not answering clearly That's enough to convey the point. Rsoultin did answer the questions asked of her every single time, just in a very round-about way. And evidently Harkon and marvellosity didn't really understand the answers (or they could have gone straight to the important questions, such as why rsoultin expects more intelligence than this from KelsierSC, how she knows that there isn't some other explanation, why rsoultin isn't paying attention to the effort that KelsierSC used, etc.As town, rsoultin seems to care more about answering questions in her own way and posting in her own way than playing such that other people can easily/clearly see what she is saying. We've talked about this a few times. In Assassination Mafia, this eventually caused her to make a few huge essay-style posts, clearly stating her reads in simple English. Point being that rsoultin seemingly dodging questions and being unhelpful is an issue in communication, and doesn't make her scum. On the contrary, I think that as mafia, rsoultin would be more willing to be helpful and answer questions more clearly, and be less argumentative. Furthermore, there's an element of creativity to these answers that provides hints at the thought process that created her reads, which could be harder to replicate as scum. Although at times it may seem that rsoultin is dodging questions or being unhelpful, this is generally not true. Rsoultin knows how to clearly answer questions, and as scum, she'd be more interested in doing so. The fact that she is still stubbornly playing in her own style, despite being scumread for it, suggests that she is town. Rsoultin did NOT answer the question in this quote chain. She waffled around the issue saying Kelsier was less towny for something that is not scummy and that she did not even say is scummy. To the bolded: The only relevant question here is if she thinks that him lacking intelligence makes him scum and why. That is exactly what we asked her and that is what she refused to answer in a straight way. It is as simple as that.
-_- the brussels sprout thing again? trfel lol >< i'd almost forgotten how annoyed they'd made me damn you
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dropping a hard townread to a lesser townread makes it obvious that i think it's alignment indicative
like, not sure how you think i didn't answer this? oats believing me having more or less xPs in one game vs. another (was bound to be one) is alignment indicative i don't care about. it's oats. ksc, computer software writing extraordinaire and frankly very impressive to me last game, running off to do statistical analysis on it was retarded
i still think he's town probably this game? which i guess we know for sure soon -_- but yeah, if y'all don't get that hf can't be a koshi or that i can't be a sicklucker...our brains aren't wired that way...then i have no use for you, jat
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but yeah, truffle, i'll look through your point on clarity later...probably after day phase
class @.@
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