TL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden - Page 26

I'm more inclined to believe that trfel is the scum on this team due to the fact he's the only one to present the logic that a no-lynch is just fine for mafia.

On July 22 2015 17:17 ruXxar wrote:
I switched my vote to clarity for now.
Lynching into clarity/trfel is the best chance we have of hitting scum IMO.

On July 22 2015 18:54 ruXxar wrote:


PoE.
He's mafia in one of my three worlds and has a 50% chance of being mafia in another.

On July 22 2015 20:15 boxerfred wrote:
well I'll switch to Clarity then. If he's town, people at least won't blame me :X

On July 22 2015 23:31 rsoultin wrote:


? seriously?

This whole line of reasoning is such a cop out. I'm not preventing anyone from getting.g their own reads on truffle and there's nothing that says I can't me wrong on him even if i'm usually not anymore than there's anything that would prevent me from townreading him if I were scum regardless of his alignment

Are you incapable of thinking for yourselves?

On July 23 2015 02:06 rsoultin wrote:
I don't see how you can possibly think i'm scum with wave when he hammered me last phase and the only reason I wasn't lynched was breshke switched off

I don't see how you're sitting here on your hands when both of your worlds have wave and truffle as scum. Like, according to your logic the only reason to stay on me is association that doesn't even work that well and you and one of your scumreads are the only ones voting me. Why aren't you trying to get wave or truffle lynched?

For being "town" you are far too content to do basically nothing this cycle. There's nothing preventing you from starting a new wagon on someone you're more convinced is scum, but you're not

On July 23 2015 02:11 rsoultin wrote:


And? Are you reading ebh scum? Cause otherwise this is retarded ^^

On July 23 2015 02:21 ruXxar wrote:
What's bothering me about trfel is the fact that he was the only one that pointed out that scum would be content with a no-lynch. And then I think : "Why would scum say something that incriminates himself" and of course they wouldn't, except for the fact that since scum wouldn't say that, we think he's town.
So it turns into wifom city and I can't really use it to determine alignments either way.

On July 23 2015 02:38 rsoultin wrote:


why? yes this is true, but why when mafia can get a mislynch and preserve 2kp for at least two more cycles?

it's moot anyway because i'm town -_-

look, clarity, if you've got a good reason i'll consider it? I know not infallible, but thus far all you've really said is his activity picked up when you had him in your scumreads? so? why couldn't he do that as town? why is it scummy now but him still not doing much early game despite the.scumreads not being considered?

you said he didn't have a town mindset...which posts are you talking about?

On July 23 2015 02:43 Trfel wrote:
On the contrary, lynching the scummiest people WILL win you the game, and that is the best way to do it.

The key is how you use the word "scummy". Some things are commonly called "scummy", such as being inactive, making bad posts, making bad reads, having logic gaps, and lots of things that are objectively bad play. However, these things don't necessarily make someone scum.

If you simply lynch the objectively "worse" players, who are playing objectively "worse", you will probably lose the game. But if you lynch based on mafia motivation and reads which are truly alignment indicative, lynching the "scummiest" players (by these standards) is a thousand times better than using unflipped associations.

On July 23 2015 03:03 Trfel wrote:
It's not really an inconsistency.

But it is Clarity_nl manipulating his reads/thoughts to his advantage based on a changing situation.

On July 23 2015 03:09 Trfel wrote:
Based on all of the examples I found, no, I don't.

I can understand it when it's one, or two, or three. But not when there are so many more, and not when they always seem to benefit Clarity_nl.