EPTTL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden - Page 23
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On July 20 2015 07:27 boxerfred wrote: I'm really frustrated. It's not too hard to lynch rsoultin but HtS pulled her out. GJGJGJGJGJGJGJGJGJGJ Just stop it please. I said the cases on her were poor, I was never going to vote her. I was between Clarity and EBH. Stop distorting the facts. | ||
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Of course when I realised no one was going anywhere I saw the post from Breshke and then I tried to swap back. I was not ever going to vote Ras after what I'd done through today. I made that abundantly clear. If Ras is mafia I'm seriously fucking up my reads. If people want to kill me for not lynching Ras that's another issue entirely. But I never thought the cases on her were convincing enough. I read her filter and the competing cases. I wasn't convinced. I'm going to bed. I'm going to do what I can to get us out of this mess. I'm just as mad as myself as most of you are with me. | ||
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As for my mobile situation that isnt a dumbtell that's just (harsh) reality for me. Not sure how that's even one... Are you not seeing my appeals to lynch Clarity? Good grief. And Oats, Trfel (rightfully) demanded an answer from me that I gave. Not sure why you have a problem with that. For someone who wanted Ras or Clarity lynched you showed up at a rather interesting time post eod. | ||
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x is either WoS/ruxxar. Very outside shot (read: tinfoil/fear/paranoia) of Trfel. Things of note to me: Clarity - see previous/Vivax's case. Will lynch. Boxerfred - did not like his re-entry. On meta I felt he was okay. But wanting to vote Clarity and Ras and then showing up at the end? As for me I told you twice that your meta read was wrong. Harkon/Jat meta reads me accurately on the same game (the point being clashing with town leaders) yet when we correct you for context you insist where you stand is correct. What about my current game is scummy? What was scummy before last night? Besides YOUR INTERPRETATION OF META? Could lynch. Maybes ??? WoS - Yes I had a previous weak read based on meta. Everyone talked him bring lucky/useless but I ignored it early on. There was one thing that jumped at me. When the votes on HF were going down he was like "Day 4 he's still alive" not considering all the blue claims going down and how controversial interactions between him/Ras were and it just seemed all too easy way to just throw a vote on him. Even if you to make the argument that oh he's out of touch his reads are shit anyways it really doesn't take much to check who died and take into context. Could lynch after some/or final discussion. Trfel - DMA aside, on the upswing he's re-evaluating people so to me that is town. But in nsm11 he did really turn around things in filters so this part is more paranoia than anything. Considering he was pushing HF and was wrong....eh its worth a double check. Prob town Ras - read her filter. read both cases. read both filters. read cases again. Cases weren't convincing to me. My biggest feel is that unlke Carnaval/nsm7 when she's scum she is way more invested in her reads. I think she's town. EBH - his reaction at EoD where he was happy to go I felt couldn't come from scum. That's why I switched off and tried to go to Clarity. Yes I take responsibility for fucking up and not thinking at 2m before EoD but I maintain that finally after all this time having problems all game getting a read on him he just might actually be town. Oats - no change in this prior read. still town. RuXxar - Interactions with him and Ras felt like town on town when I skimmed last cycle but want to further review from day 1. Vivax had good points on him. I think OWS, Breshke are town. No change there. | ||
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On July 21 2015 14:54 boxerfred wrote: im lazy ever since HF died and noone expect me sheeped his reads ##vote rsoultin ffs HF is wrong on me and I think he's wrong on Ras. Just because someone is town doesn't mean they are correct. Voting Clarity. | ||
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starting the workday, will comment more through lunch etc if I can.... | ||
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Breshke flipped on the day post. And he claimed and claim conditions whilst unusual made sense given his standing in the game (not widely townread, not as influential and not as great a threat as town). You are considering associations between myself and others. But they make zero sense because of what I did at EoD. What other than this fear read makes me Mafia? What prior to EoD day 5 made me Mafia? How are Ras and I on the same team when I failed to hammer EBH? Why is EBH Mafia besides his first post? You have so many questions to answer its not funny. | ||
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On July 22 2015 07:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Rsoul you're another one of those players tha probably shouldn't be alive. Makes more sense to be you than clarity. I can't say how much I hate this post. Wave, this worked lovely last time you voted HF didn't it? You know why HF was kept alive until he was mislynched right? You realise that the same reasoning applies to both wagons given the current state of the game? | ||
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But I also find it increasingly hard to believe you cannot either 1) skim a thread esp one slowing down or 2) even check the critical posts, the votes to figure what is happening. Even looking at last day's vote its really not hard to realise why Ras is alive regardless of her alignment. >_< | ||
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Oats' reaction to not trusting Ras/Trfel's meta reads on each other (or the former on the latter I forget) is town, the thing is I also know that Ras uses very personal meta reads on people (reference Himalayas) to figure things out but again I understand the scepticism. I already explained my position on Ras and why that position isn't changed or what I see the lack of basis for change in these last few pages. I really did not like WoS' re-entry to this thread. I realise he's afk either way, and maybe he doesn't/can't/is unable to give a shit as either alignment at this stage in the game to be posting more. But I just have a bad feeling about his approach in the stuff I AM seeing from him and even if I had only maximum 10 minutes to be playing the game per day from a town perspective I'd still at least examine the competing case on Clarity (again, just look at the bloody vote count). And then I see shit like this: On July 22 2015 07:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Rsoul you're another one of those players tha probably shouldn't be alive. Makes more sense to be you than clarity. Didn't Clarity have more of the townreads earlier in the game? Shouldn't it make more sense for Clarity to be dead over Rasputin prior to D5? Maybe not now, but that's another beef I have with that. That was 12 hours ago though.....erghhhh. I looked back at the WoS quotes where he is begging people to vig him and where when it was initially said I can see where people got the town thining from that. I can't remember if that was BEFORE the gunsmith guns were distributed or after. I know I got heavy pressure to kill MZ when I got the gun, so maybe he said that knowing that it was unlikely to happen? IDK. Anyways, at this point, I don't think Trfel is scum - the read he gave on me (based on end of day 5) and the manner in which he did it is reflective of how he pulls apart the actions as they have happened in his town games. The responses I'm seeing now (page 429) seem reflective of that same trend. Also he's considering both worlds of people in his reads. I am looking at his NSM11 filter and where he's scumreading Rels in that game - he's not looking at both worlds, he's only looking at the scum world of Rels, when there is a justifiable (IMO) town version of that. Additonally in that game I'm seeing a lot of more bulletpoint/and/or high level statements when he's scumreading people. There are some pretty telling things from NSM11. His read on Kickstart in nsm11 is a lot of him making a scumread out of nothing. That's one of many examples, but I'm not seeing that here. There (for the most part) seems to be reasonable basis for change in this game, unless there's a scumread he's issued that I've missed. He does admit when he's unsure, and I see more of the aggressive mode Trfel in that game in some of his wall of text posts. I really don't think Trfel is scum. I'll re-read his major scumreads in this game, and try and compare/contrast, but I'm not terribly convinced atm. Going to try and get through ruXxar in the time I have. | ||
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On July 23 2015 03:37 Clarity_nl wrote: Dude I'm already being lynched. The point is not whether you can create a point in 30 minutes, the point is that you say "clarity has done X multiple times", and when asked "when" you go "give me 30 minutes" which might as well translate to: I was just saying things, I did not know they had to be true Trfel is a case-based poster, not conversational, he would do this as either alignment. From my own experience he's done it as town. | ||
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On July 23 2015 05:46 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm around if you guys wanna lynch someone other than me. How would you feel if someone asked you if you wanted to lynch Wave? | ||
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