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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 08 2015 13:55 GMT
#3358
Also I pushed people to bm because at the point mz looked towny and the wagons were split and i didn't want a no lynch. Pretty simple.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 08 2015 13:58 GMT
#3361
On July 08 2015 22:56 marvellosity wrote:
did he though?


Well I gave you my reason he looked towny. You just mentioned it.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 08 2015 14:50 GMT
#3421
On July 08 2015 23:11 marvellosity wrote:
see the thing is, I don't really think HtS is mafia.


Neither do i anymore

#comeatmeguys
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 08 2015 14:51 GMT
#3425
On July 08 2015 23:06 milo109 wrote:
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On July 08 2015 22:54 Holyflare wrote:
On July 08 2015 22:39 milo109 wrote:
HtS, I don't actually think I've solved the game. Obviously, I'm probably wrong on a couple people. But this is where I want to look.


I have no idea how you still scum read me for a post where I corrected your faulty knowledge and you agreed it was faulty.

The ability to correct my logic does not prove your alignment either way.


No it doesn't but you just said you scum read me for my read on hts being weird and when i explained it you said it made sense so it's no longer weird. Yet, you're still scum reading me for it.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 08 2015 15:41 GMT
#3443
On July 09 2015 00:23 marvellosity wrote:
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On July 08 2015 23:50 Holyflare wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:11 marvellosity wrote:
see the thing is, I don't really think HtS is mafia.


Neither do i anymore

#comeatmeguys

i suppose i should ask why


Because she finally stopped dodging my answers and gave actual reasons and i didn't hate them, +miller thing
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 08 2015 15:45 GMT
#3448
On July 09 2015 00:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On July 09 2015 00:41 Holyflare wrote:
On July 09 2015 00:23 marvellosity wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:50 Holyflare wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:11 marvellosity wrote:
see the thing is, I don't really think HtS is mafia.


Neither do i anymore

#comeatmeguys

i suppose i should ask why


Because she finally stopped dodging my answers and gave actual reasons and i didn't hate them, +miller thing

since when is claiming miller townie?

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 08 2015 15:47 GMT
#3449
Yes, the miller thing has always existed but i evaluated her play outside of it and i did not like it. The more she dodged my questions on purpose the more frustrated I got and evetually it made me just tunnel her. Now I've slept, had sex and calmed down a bit the miller thing comes back and i didn't mind when she actually did respond.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 08 2015 15:49 GMT
#3451
She can yap on about my rsoultin read being scummy all she wants though, it's simply not the case. Just because she pointed out one scum read does not an rsoultin town make. Not to mention i repeatedly tried to get people to answer questions about rsoul which everyone dodged repeatedly.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 08 2015 18:37 GMT
#3469
On July 09 2015 02:23 Half the Sky wrote:
Oh where oh where did those ritoky/milo scumreads go Holyflare....

And your desire to "lynch scott tomorrow" seems to have come from his 98% BM comment yet you liked his lists earlier.
Same quote where you drop him and try to push Ras which others have pointed out the issue with that.

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On July 08 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
whatever trevor

probably should lynch scott tomorrow


(3 minutes after the lynch)

Do you still want to lynch either of Scott or Ras, or one over the other?
You don't mention the former at all since that last quote 3m after EoD. Even after Breshke brings him up!

Why does it look like you are trying to see what sticks?

(still reading through more filters....)


so what you're saying is scum holyflare is massively inconsistent and doesn't care who he's pushing? not sure that's ever the case there

scott's lists seem good because they were generally aligning with what i was thinking, his end of day post seemed scummy because it did not align with what i was thinking and seemed like one of those posts mafia makes for no reason

having slept on it and not really reading him now i say i don't know

funny how that works right?

ritoky's start of day posts were shit, his middle of day posts weren't bad and his end of day posts weren't awful, he was on my list because i didn't really think of an alternative and i was slightly influenced by what people were saying, don't really care if that's scummy or not but it is what it is my motivation to lynch people was seriously "i don't particularly care who gets lynched at this point because nobody was generally listening to anything i said so who gives a shit"

i dunno who i want to lynch atm i'll think about it but effort is like 0 so who really cares
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 08 2015 18:40 GMT
#3470
On July 09 2015 00:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On July 09 2015 00:47 Holyflare wrote:
Yes, the miller thing has always existed but i evaluated her play outside of it and i did not like it. The more she dodged my questions on purpose the more frustrated I got and evetually it made me just tunnel her. Now I've slept, had sex and calmed down a bit the miller thing comes back and i didn't mind when she actually did respond.

so basically HTS can do anything she wants but as long as she actually answers your questions, even if its like 2 days later, it somehow absolves her of not answering your questions earlier?


are you dumb? her posts were shit, her miller thing existed yes but it was at the back of my mind and not really being thought about, i was frustrated with everyone's ignoring of me and so ignored a lot of stuff because of that since i was getting frustrated that no matter what i said people just carried on with doing shit all and talking about cop claims and afk's and how they didn't want to lynch afk's OR even talk about them AT ALL

rethinking after sleeping i just go back to the miller thing being something that mafia hts probably doesn't do and yes that's always existed but who cares, her answers also appeased my concerns, it is what it is
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 08 2015 18:42 GMT
#3472
i mean like, i didn't mention scott because i haven't really posted at all this night cycle lol
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 08 2015 18:47 GMT
#3473
anyway i shall continue my afk till next cycle!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 08 2015 18:49 GMT
#3474
for the people that thought my push on rsoultin was weird, it was driven by your shitty lack of balls and:

On July 08 2015 05:38 Holyflare wrote:
ok while we are afk voting mz can someone please actually fucking converse with me about rsoultin and not give shitty reads that just say "no", nothing even answered anything I asked for


On July 08 2015 05:44 Holyflare wrote:
Like. Ok. I get it. I'm not talking about the context of voting, MZ is the locked lynch right now. I'm talking about her play so far. Let's discuss it like a normal game?

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 08 2015 18:51 GMT
#3475
also, do you think it's weird that trfel's case on me is that i think he's locked scum and angry at him but he doesn't even realise he's not a scum read of mine anymore, I do?

like trfel's posts say i'm scummy for scum reading him constantly and getting annoyed
hts' posts say i'm scummy for not scum reading trfel anymore

^^ make your minds up
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 08 2015 18:52 GMT
#3476
also hts i don't get why, if you have a town read on trfel, it's scummy if i've dropped my scum read on trfel?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 08 2015 18:55 GMT
#3477
also, I in no way, shape or form see how you can compare this game to himalays in the slightest where in this game i'm asking my scum reads questions repeatedly to get answers and in that game i was just trying to get the person lynched repeatedly without trying to rethink things

did you think that ignoring my questions would make me back off of my scum read of you? why did you not think it was apt to answer them, where did you think it would lead you?

(also i see you're not even town reading trfel lol so nvm about the last point)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 08 2015 18:57 GMT
#3480
ANDDDDDDDDDDDDD


Also he called my push uninspired (lol, whatever that means, I was at it with/on milo all of d1) and said Ras's push on ruxxar was BS but she's been back and forth with him on that. So just how he's scumreading people also was suspect, which is why I chose to look into HF's reasoning for scumreading Ras, because something just didn't seem right. His response to my thoughts on her scumreading Ruxxar and then wanting to push her still was just......ew.


this is clearly a bad post since you know EXACTLY why i scum read you for your push on milo because you ANSWERED THE POST WHERE I SAID IT WAS BAD LOL

gjweogjweighw you really want me to scum read you

like, seriously, you kept saying "oh my push on milo is still strong but i'm waiting for his answers that's why it's not strong now!" but I kept asking why exactly you had 0 input on the questions I kept asking ABOUT milo to EVERYONE, you simply just ignored it. 2 of your scum reads, 1 of them is asking about the other one and you didn't even reevaluate it in the slightest, you ignored it and you didn't use milo's reactions around trfel's case or my posts towards milo in any of your posts at all, you have simply treated it like it was a non entity while saying you still scum read both of us
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 08 2015 19:07 GMT
#3483
On July 09 2015 03:56 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 03:37 Holyflare wrote:

ritoky's start of day posts were shit, his middle of day posts weren't bad and his end of day posts weren't awful, he was on my list because i didn't really think of an alternative and i was slightly influenced by what people were saying, don't really care if that's scummy or not but it is what it is my motivation to lynch people was seriously "i don't particularly care who gets lynched at this point because nobody was generally listening to anything i said so who gives a shit"

The way you hardpushed BM over MZ does not fit this explanation at all.


you are 100% without a doubt jat, i've explained my motivation for switching to bm actually:

MZ appeared and ninja voted, said nothing:

On July 08 2015 05:35 Holyflare wrote:
hahaha i already forgot about fucking mz

ahahaha



mass exodus to MZ, don't care about it and expect him to die and want people's opinions on rsoul which they kept ignoring and you shit on for no reason other than she wasn't here to say anything (who cares about that why does that stop you talking about her????)

On July 08 2015 05:38 Holyflare wrote:
ok while we are afk voting mz can someone please actually fucking converse with me about rsoultin and not give shitty reads that just say "no", nothing even answered anything I asked for


On July 08 2015 05:37 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 05:34 Holyflare wrote:
On July 08 2015 05:30 Holyflare wrote:
plz

rsoultin hasn't really given ANY scum reads other than me

rsoultin said she had a hard on for lynching people she thought was scummy because she likes being correct

rsoultin cases me

rsoultin asks marv if i'm scum

marv says no

rsoultin completely drops it and never makes another read again

11 pages, what reads do you remember her making?



plz people stop dodging all these sick reads repeatedly

On July 08 2015 05:37 Holyflare wrote:
how about looking at her filter, why does she need to defend herself doing nothing????????????

On July 08 2015 05:44 Holyflare wrote:
Like. Ok. I get it. I'm not talking about the context of voting, MZ is the locked lynch right now. I'm talking about her play so far. Let's discuss it like a normal game?

On July 08 2015 05:53 Holyflare wrote:
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On July 07 2015 07:57 rsoultin wrote:
do i really need to be all collegiate again cause that worked so well last time when y'all ignored my scumread on marv that was completely baller


for someone who says the above and then writes this post:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 07 2015 02:40 rsoultin wrote:
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On July 06 2015 15:26 Holyflare wrote:
On July 06 2015 15:22 Holyflare wrote:
On July 06 2015 15:19 Trfel wrote:
On July 06 2015 15:17 Holyflare wrote:
Uh oh trfel
Hm?


It seems you are suffering from consecutivemafiarollingitis and are subsequently burnt out. I am sorry for your loss.


I will never back down from this busread. It's far too similar to what I used to experience and what I would be posting in that situation.

You can read the thread all you want but just get this in your head. All the effort you can muster for this second game in a row will be futile. Have fun


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On July 06 2015 16:00 Holyflare wrote:
On July 06 2015 15:55 Trfel wrote:
On July 06 2015 15:54 Holyflare wrote:
Hey, your vote means nothing anyway right? What harm is it following me for a bit?
I thought you were never ever going to change your read on me no matter what?


Who says my vote will be changing and why would that matter?

I know it's hard man. I feel your pain i really do. You're in the trolling and pointing out irrelevant crap for the sake of it part of the mafiarollingitis waiting for a scummy post or your motivation to reappear. It will happen later but it's already too late for you. Rest dear boy. Your time shall come again next game.


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On July 06 2015 16:37 Holyflare wrote:
I also have no idea why you repeatedly jump to people's defences before they even speak for themselves. Not only does it inhibit people playing the game and getting their groove on but it constantly gives the people under pressure multiple outs and feelings of less pressure. Back off and go to bed. You're messing with things you don't understand.


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On July 06 2015 16:44 Holyflare wrote:
What shitty logic "i know this guy best so just stop playing the game that you play where you have no information and instead of quizzing people and letting them post I'll just disregard it and blindly defend them!"

There's a reason people seemingly ignore your posts and that's the majority of the reason why.


"you're 100% scum no matter what you do hahaha"
"shut up bitch stop interfering with my quizzing"

not only was that blatant misrepresentation of what i was doing, but it started with me saying this? like, seriously?

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On July 06 2015 16:23 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 16:21 Breshke wrote:
On July 06 2015 16:19 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 16:14 Breshke wrote:
But nah rsoul i like damdys read so meh

I jsut don't see how you said "keep pretending this is what my problem is" when from the initial post you didn't say anything about damdred and i later explained that i voted not for my own reason but for damdreds.

Trefel what are you doing?


i missed the vote

like you say early votes mean jack shit, and it was just to show how much you agreed with damdy's point. that's a pretty damn strong agreement, and wasn't the impression i got when i first read your posting. i don't get why you think damdy calling ls lazy a few pages into the game is good, certainly not that good

so basically it comes down to strength of agreement


Okay i follow.

You were right in your last post when you said you dont care to pursue this i jsut became really bored with it aswell.

Watcha think of trefel and why isn't HF trying to get you to vote him


xP could get that from reading the thread

i've already said i doubt trfel is scum (tone! \o/) and hf isn't an imbecile lol >< i'm stubborn as hell


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On July 06 2015 16:28 rsoultin wrote:
or maybe he's already forgotten how stubborn i am, after all lol ><

pretty sure that wasn't the purpose of those questions hf xP but i'm not going to speak for him


pretty damn obvious to anyone with a brain that all i was saying there was i didn't agree, and he comes back with:

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On July 06 2015 16:29 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not doing this for you. I want people to lynch him and I'm proving he's mafia. You can keep yelling tone read in the corner though.


so not only is hf misrepresenting me, but he's going out of his way to be a dick about it at the same time, and if this is his idea of just "pressuring" or "quizzing" someone, it's sure not coming through in his posts

i'm not usually this fucking paranoid, but after last game when hf and bugs spent d1/n1 deliberately shitting on me and trying to throw me on tilt...especially with how well we usually get along when he's town, i highly doubt this is town hf and i really don't care if the rest of you are too chicken shit to push him

i'm tired of getting nkd and watching hf win

again

and again

has trfel posted anything amazing? no. does that make him scum? no. i read him by his off-brand of humor and a few other indicators...i usually get a solid read on him within his first page of filter. i'm good at it. i don't give a damn if you question him, but hell if you're going to bully me into shutting up by slinging shit at me, hf



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On July 07 2015 03:05 rsoultin wrote:
On July 07 2015 03:04 Holyflare wrote:
On July 07 2015 03:02 rsoultin wrote:
On July 07 2015 02:59 Holyflare wrote:
i've read his filter and he actually plays the game which he has yet to do despite actually being here.


lol >< and you started in on him before he'd even gotten a chance to settle in? of course he eventually did stuff, and i fully expect him to again this game

talk about something else
we're never going to agree on this


no thanks


fine ^^

when can we lynch hf?

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On July 07 2015 03:44 rsoultin wrote:
On July 07 2015 03:41 marvellosity wrote:
On July 07 2015 03:39 rsoultin wrote:
On July 07 2015 03:37 marvellosity wrote:
On July 07 2015 03:36 rsoultin wrote:
why is hf town marv?

i think he's town because i intuitively grasp his reads, both scum and town, which has worked pretty reliably for me in the past


so mindmeld...how good is this read of yours? like in rough percentage?

god. like 80%?

normally what has happened is that i have a good read on HF early and then other people make me wrongly doubt it.

like if HF starts pushing things i don't see then i'll reconsider, but i've not seen that yet.

like it's *possible* he just happened to pick out a bunch of townreads that were the same i hadn't mentioned yet because he's just that good, but meeeeeh


nh

i haven't played as many games with him as you have. but the shitfight thing is a perfect read so far, and it was better than yours in ippo. i dunnae...i'll just sit on it i guess


does that look like the equivalent response???
then there's a shit fight about trfel and we get:

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On July 07 2015 09:38 rsoultin wrote:
On July 07 2015 09:34 Harkon wrote:
On July 07 2015 09:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso and Hf stop fighting.

You make the thread unreadable when you fight like this.

^
Especially rsoultin stop defending people for no reason if you aren't going to explain anything.


do you have any clue how frustrating this is?

HOLYFLARE IS MAFIA

maybe the all-caps will make this get through your thick skulls

i'm not fucking defending truffle i'm saying hf is fucking mafia for the way he's approaching this

>< whatever

i'm not doing this anymore you guys keep being obtuse


and then she just talks to me normally right after discussing all the reads??

it's so irrational

+ Show Spoiler +
maybe because she's a woman, probably because she's mafia

On July 08 2015 05:54 Holyflare wrote:
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On July 08 2015 05:51 Half the Sky wrote:
HF, since you asked....

On July 08 2015 05:34 Holyflare wrote:
On July 08 2015 05:30 Holyflare wrote:
plz

rsoultin hasn't really given ANY scum reads other than me

rsoultin said she had a hard on for lynching people she thought was scummy because she likes being correct

rsoultin cases me

rsoultin asks marv if i'm scum

marv says no

rsoultin completely drops it and never makes another read again

11 pages, what reads do you remember her making?



On July 06 2015 23:11 rsoultin wrote:
Lol ruxx/hf prob scum

Get rekt

To the rest of y'all...learn to read


Pushes ruxxar after that. Is doubting that Damdred is town....

If you're going to argue that she hasn't been memorable that's a different argument I have to filter dive her to look at her other reads besides you....

On July 07 2015 03:22 rsoultin wrote:
On July 07 2015 03:17 rsoultin wrote:
harkon, what you got?

you've been hanging back, and only one person i know i'm actually fine letting that slide with cause that's how he plays, but i don't think you're him anymore


disregard

i'm possibly just being more paranoid about ruxxar, because some of the biggest clues to his scumgame, apart from that damning post end-game in his first newbie where he basically described how he was playing mafia in himalayas to the world lol ><, were in the wording

he had a completely unnatural reaction to holyflare's "but i'm town guys really" whining in particular

i could retrieve the post

like my only reservation on the whole wording thing really is that it might be a language thing, but i didn't like the combination with the soft push when everyone was up my ass


The only question I have after going through her filter is how/why she drops the ruxxar read for milo. Or rather why she drops the ruxxar read altogether. She talks about ruxxar quite a bit in her filter. And I don't think her read on Damdred was hard scum but she had concerns on it.

I don't think I'd lynch her without her talking about that stuff though.


yes obviously she has some scum reads but they are based on useless crap like the phrasing of ruxxar's post that isn't even weird in the slightest and meant nothing and that's about it, it's not intuitive of deep at all


MZ starts to catch up and post, about 5 people before me talk about switching to BM, i'd rather keep the guy that's talking alive instead of the guy that's afk claimed wanderer (which he's done before as mafia) 10/10 times. I switch with geript, exodus starts.

On July 08 2015 06:37 Holyflare wrote:
switched to bm, don't care

On July 08 2015 06:42 Holyflare wrote:
if you're here, switch to bm it's quite simple

if it gets to 5 mins left and we don't have enough go back to mz

On July 08 2015 06:42 Holyflare wrote:
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On July 08 2015 06:42 Harkon wrote:
On July 08 2015 06:41 Holyflare wrote:
he's chronically afk as town all the time

Then why are you voting him?


because the alternative (mz) i don't think is that great of a lynch


I explain I don't particularly care but keeping the talking guy alive is better and it's far better to consolidate now, hence why i push people to vote for bm otherwise it just ends in mass confusion and possibility of a no lynch:

On July 08 2015 06:46 Holyflare wrote:
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On July 08 2015 06:46 Harkon wrote:
Rsoultin why are you so happy to vote with HF on bm?


oh please as if this matters when we need to consolidate

On July 08 2015 06:50 Holyflare wrote:
at this point you should be switching to bm for consolidation regardless

On July 08 2015 06:53 Holyflare wrote:
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On July 08 2015 06:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Like idk why it's such a strange question. I always try to vote for the scummiest person in my mind. A lot of you seem really hesitant to lynch either BM or myself, my question is do any of you actually find BM scummy or are you looking for an easy lynch now that I'm active and lynching me has gotten harder.

Why would you willing vote for someone you don't think is scummy. And again, maybe I just haven't gotten to the part where BM acts super scummy yet so if someone would link me I'd be happy.


lynching you is not hard, you said something that seemed towny and we switched

bm has done nothing ez lurker lynch because nobody has the balls to do a good one


mz said shit about milo or w/e and i thought "why would mafia mz ever do this anyway":

On July 08 2015 06:53 Holyflare wrote:
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On July 08 2015 06:53 marvellosity wrote:
i don't understand why MZ wants to lynch milo in this spot


as opposed to if he was mafia and just switches to bm and stfu?


that was my main motivation for staying on bm:

On July 08 2015 06:55 Holyflare wrote:
mz is here and will play now

On July 08 2015 06:55 Holyflare wrote:
bm is intent on riding this claim and doing shit all



you know if you read my filter it's quite clear the reasons why i switched and pushed people to switch

not afkers > afkers who can just abuse the claim as mafia + defence looked slightly towny


if you should question anyone it's your shitty accusations during a time when we had to consolidate, you were clearly asking useless shitty questions about why rsoul was happy to vote with me in a majority lynch game which is retarded and useless defended rsoul being afk instead of just talking about the points with m e
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 08 2015 19:08 GMT
#3484
On July 09 2015 03:56 Harkon wrote:
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On July 09 2015 03:52 Holyflare wrote:
also hts i don't get why, if you have a town read on trfel, it's scummy if i've dropped my scum read on trfel?

You know better than this.


No. It's legitimate. If I say that I dropped my scum read on trfel after calling him mafia all game and give a reason why (his defence looked towny) is that a scummy thing to see? no
Holyflare
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July 08 2015 19:08 GMT
#3485
anyway i'm actually afk now bye
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