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I'm mostly caught up.
I may need to re-read several filters again, I know I will need to read LS, Ras, WoS and Clarity.
Ras I got a "filler" impression from most of her posts, particularly at the beginning, but especially having been wrong on her as both alignments, I will re-read her filter to make sure I didn't misunderstand something. I know from NSM7 she definitely has filler reactions (or "lols") or what have you when people start to push her so that is definitely a red flag. Someone - I forget whom - brought up her being flustered and they are spot on with that.
Breshke is probably town - between what I knew of him before and his more recent games he does get more aggressive (not bm aggressive but because he has perfect information if a townie is playing poor) as scum. I'm not smelling an agenda from him.
Trfel's first post was NAI. He does that in a lot of his games, can do that as either alignment. I can see his subsequent posting as either alignment, on one hand he's deflecting questions, on the other, he doesn't care and will post when he's fully through. I'm going to wait until his analysis to judge him particularly since that's how he won NSM11.
ritoky, I feel the same way as 1-2 people who have said before, he has prided himself on D1 reads and the in and out passing is quite inconsistent with what he normally provides. The "1 of 3" comment also puzzles me because LS can be judged independently of milo, or what milo said about him (though I have a scumread on milo for other reasons) and ruxxar has said the same amount if not more than LS and so I don't know where this association is coming from unless it's based on the posting area where milo/oats were commenting on LS, etc. I'm giving him a slight scumread for now.
HF, I am bad reading HF D1. and I cannot tell whether his read on Trfel is bad (unfamiliarity) or mafia (taking advantage of the fact that Trfel is not posting reads quite yet, at least I know why). I will need to re-read this filter again.
Milo I have a a scumread. Milo if you are here, I want to see explanations for your INITIAL scumreads - when you say you agree with Oats, that's fine and dandy but based on your posts prior to that you could be a scummer taking advantage of
Oats isn't big on long wordy posts and cases, and I knew what he meant by his initial reads on people. I'm getting a town vibe from him particularly from the last 5 pages of the thread (up to page 53).
I also have townreads on Damdred (the thought processes are well out) and KSC (same).
Also willing to believe the wanderer claim out of BM.
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For emphasis, in case it's lost in the post:
Milo I want to see explanations for your initial reads:
On July 06 2015 11:07 milo109 wrote:
I'm mildly certain Kelsier is scum.
On July 06 2015 11:20 milo109 wrote:
Hmmm. I feel like I should post more but I don't have much more. Leaning town on Holyflare, and I want to call WaveofShadow also town. But I can't.
On July 06 2015 11:24 milo109 wrote:
It's harder to read Damdred when you aren't mafia. I'm gonna call him mafia here though.
My concern on your filter in general is this is pretty much how you played in Holy Guardians when you were mafia. I don't think you had explanations for pretty much any of your reads and several people have opposing opinions or have substantiated them.
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On July 07 2015 01:03 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 01:01 marvellosity wrote:On July 07 2015 00:58 Half the Sky wrote:
HF, I am bad reading HF D1. and I cannot tell whether his read on Trfel is bad (unfamiliarity) or mafia (taking advantage of the fact that Trfel is not posting reads quite yet, at least I know why). I will need to re-read this filter again.
those are not the only 2 options, HtS I was about to point that out too. HTS says the jury is still out on Trfel but this statement seems like he has a firm townread in him.
I'm actually confused by what you two are saying, particularly Harkon. Let me break it down. If I missed soemthing on these two (I just read the thread in entirety so it's possible I did) or if something is wrong, call me out.
HF is scumreading Trfel for posting little of substance. I know others had different reads (most notably Ras) on Trfel.
I'm personally reading Trfel as NAI until he posts harder analysis based on Trfel's performance from NSM11.
I am trying to interpret HF's read on Trfel but I am struggling with that, but I will also look at how he's reading others more closely. The read on Trfel was what jumped out at me.
Marv - only 2 options being bad or mafia? Or are you suggesting that HF at some point TRed him? I missed that if he did.
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On July 07 2015 01:04 Harkon wrote:EBWOP: Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 01:03 Harkon wrote:On July 07 2015 01:01 marvellosity wrote:On July 07 2015 00:58 Half the Sky wrote:
HF, I am bad reading HF D1. and I cannot tell whether his read on Trfel is bad (unfamiliarity) or mafia (taking advantage of the fact that Trfel is not posting reads quite yet, at least I know why). I will need to re-read this filter again.
those are not the only 2 options, HtS I was about to point that out too. HTS says the jury is still out on Trfel but this statement seems like she has a firm townread on him.
Alright, that's why I was confused....
On July 07 2015 00:58 Half the Sky wrote:
Trfel's first post was NAI. He does that in a lot of his games, can do that as either alignment. I can see his subsequent posting as either alignment, on one hand he's deflecting questions, on the other, he doesn't care and will post when he's fully through. I'm going to wait until his analysis to judge him particularly since that's how he won NSM11.
If it wasn't clear before, no, my read on him is null.
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On July 07 2015 01:10 marvellosity wrote:
HF's point on Trfel is that having played a hard/effortful mafiagame, it's very hard to then go hard/effortful at the start of the next game. So what you do as mafia is you just troll and post shit in an attempt to look carefree, because you can't actually be bothered to do any serious work. I thought this was abundantly clear but people keep misrepresenting HF on it.
Alright. Now this makes a lot more sense. I'm used to metareading Trfel a certain way since he does play this way in his town games but failed to take that part into account. Which is then a point in HF's favour.
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On July 07 2015 01:06 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 01:05 Holyflare wrote:
lol i don't see a game where trfel has ever posted nothing for so long and it's hilarious that people keep defending him for it hilarious = scummy
I know he had long gaps in posting in both NSM7 (or was it 9? one of them) and IIRC he was pretty underwhelming as town in Assassination, the latter being a large game, Taking HF's argument, the longer he goes without posting anything of substance, the worse he looks.
On to others in the meantime.
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On July 07 2015 01:19 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 01:15 Half the Sky wrote:On July 07 2015 01:10 marvellosity wrote:
HF's point on Trfel is that having played a hard/effortful mafiagame, it's very hard to then go hard/effortful at the start of the next game. So what you do as mafia is you just troll and post shit in an attempt to look carefree, because you can't actually be bothered to do any serious work. I thought this was abundantly clear but people keep misrepresenting HF on it. Alright. Now this makes a lot more sense. I'm used to metareading Trfel a certain way since he does play this way in his town games but failed to take that part into account. Which is then a point in HF's favour. so why didnt you say this in your read on trfel? Like you say that HF's read on trfel is bad because you think trfel is town. But in your read on trfel, hes null. TMI scumslip 1.2
Not a scumslip. The thing with Trfel I am trying to take everything into account. If you want to accuse me of selective reasoning, yeh I missed the part about HF's reasoning from last game, but that's what happens when you read the entire thread in one shot, you are bound to not collect everything. Of course I'll make a mistake.
The first post/subsequent AFKing part is a trait I've seen in his town games. From my own meta/experience with him, he's town. I am also aware he's recently had scum success though, so I would think he's going to be smart enough to replicate his town game as much as possible. Since his analysis/filter arguments, etc are what apparently won him the game in NSM11 that I feel is the most critical component to work on, hence the null read.
Am I making sense now?
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Other people to look at...alright, let me re-read some filters, unless someone wants to talk to me about someone else.
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On July 07 2015 01:30 Holyflare wrote:
I just don't get it hts, none of what I said is to do with afking in the slightest. That was just a cursory pressure post at the start of the game. Everything is to do with his return which is a more than prominent feature in this thread if you read through it since BH had to make a public announcement about the shit I was wading through.
Since i've never seen him do it in any of his town games and nobody has corrected me to say otherwise, I simply have no idea how you and rsoul can say the exact same thing that his meta and tone reads point to him being town. You then go onto say that rsoul is flustered and is mafiay when she has the exact same stance you do on trfel?
It's not her stance that makes her scummy. It's her reaction.
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For HF - to clarify, when she is mafia, those are the reactions you get when she's pushed, period.
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In any case would I lynch Ras today? No. I even acknowledged I have to look at her more closely.
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On July 07 2015 01:39 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote + From my own meta/experience with him, he's town. I am also aware he's recently had scum success though, so I would think he's going to be smart enough to replicate his town game as much as possible. Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 01:30 Holyflare wrote:
I just don't get it hts, none of what I said is to do with afking in the slightest. That was just a cursory pressure post at the start of the game. Everything is to do with his return which is a more than prominent feature in this thread if you read through it since BH had to make a public announcement about the shit I was wading through.
Since i've never seen him do it in any of his town games and nobody has corrected me to say otherwise, I simply have no idea how you and rsoul can say the exact same thing that his meta and tone reads point to him being town.
Alright, my experience/meta does not cover the game where Trfel helped carry mafia (NSM11) as I did not actually play in that game. My understanding of that game is that he won the game based on how he filter dove people and spun his arguments. If your problem is with the way he's deflecting and posting what you seem to be scumreading him for, I can tell you he did the same thing in Down Under 2. He made several posts about music composition and whatnot and then actually cased the hosts in lylo. And he was town that game.
Please tell me I am making more sense than I have done before?
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On July 07 2015 01:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 01:45 Vivax wrote:
I retract that I would sheep on Trfel, I realized he posted more than I thought.
We should kill geript for being a liar. that should be a reason for you to want to lynch him more, not less.
More content doesn't always mean better (that's not just for Trfel, that's really for anyone) or a townread or stronger townread.
Noooowwwwwww.......onwards to LightningStrike. Going to get some food though.
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EBWOP - that post was directed at Vivax, not Harkon.
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On July 07 2015 01:54 Holyflare wrote:hey hey we all live in london let's go to the pub  apart from marv cz he's a scummy non-londoner
I can sheep this.
Still wanting to go to piccadilly institute? 
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In any case, I'll be back.
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On July 07 2015 03:05 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 03:03 Vivax wrote:
All this shit about Trfel is so distracting. All that's being discussed is Trfel and HF claimed the spotlight for himself.
Can we talk about geript? Or Damdred. I actually didn't like the way Damdred tried to bait LS into saying something damning earlier and then turned it into a scumread. It's not bad per se as it's a legit town strategy but my feels tingled with malicious intentions given that I don't get a scummy feeling from LS. geript has done nothing and has posted reads that don't make sense and are unexplained, it means nothing it's geriptdamdred focusing on ls so much is very weird but damdred's other scum reads are good and i'm waiting for his list of town reads ruxxar is so totally different from the last game i have no idea how people can scum read himls has done nothing scummy yet to be scum read
geript has done this as mafia - the read on sandroba in JOAT is what comes to mind when they were both mafia, not to mention he has gotten mislynched before when people don't understand him - there was Carnaval and also NSM11...
And I don't know how you can say ruxxar "is so totally different" when in last game he replaced in and he could play the way he did partially because he replaced in. I'm not saying that in of itself makes him one alignment or another but I think the basis for your comparison is flawed. Also, Ras did make a good point on him on the LS quote "lynching for bad reasons" and I see the phrasing from ruxxar like "how are you not explaining yourself in a clear and concise manner," etc etc it is just like some of the phrasing he DID use last game as mafia. Granted, maybe I have to read his NSM11 game one more time since I thought he was mafia from the obs qt, he didn't do a great job for himself in that game. But some of hte things he says I do get a feel that he tries to turn things around on people. If he does that as town or did that as town in NSM, then different criteria should be used to evaluate him.
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On July 07 2015 03:03 Vivax wrote:
All this shit about Trfel is so distracting. All that's being discussed is Trfel and HF claimed the spotlight for himself.
Can we talk about geript? Or Damdred. I actually didn't like the way Damdred tried to bait LS into saying something damning earlier and then turned it into a scumread. It's not bad per se as it's a legit town strategy but my feels tingled with malicious intentions given that I don't get a scummy feeling from LS.
What phrase/words struck you as "bait" (or loaded, etc)? I remember reading his questioning and he's been on about LS I think for most of his time in game?
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On July 07 2015 03:18 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 03:05 rsoultin wrote:On July 07 2015 03:04 Holyflare wrote:On July 07 2015 03:02 rsoultin wrote:On July 07 2015 02:59 Holyflare wrote:
i've read his filter and he actually plays the game which he has yet to do despite actually being here. lol >< and you started in on him before he'd even gotten a chance to settle in? of course he eventually did stuff, and i fully expect him to again this game talk about something else we're never going to agree on this no thanks fine ^^ when can we lynch hf? Day 2, earliest.
Are you scumreading HF? (or do you have any updates?)
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On July 07 2015 03:17 Holyflare wrote:
well it's simply the fact he was on my team and i know how he was posting and the agenda and it looks nothing like that here
i don't get the phrasing argument either because it doesn't make any sense
I'm comparing that to (usign an example) where he tried to turn arguments against Damdred in double mylo in Himalayas. That's another example that reminded me of.
On July 07 2015 03:21 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 03:19 Harkon wrote:On July 07 2015 03:15 Half the Sky wrote:On July 07 2015 03:05 Holyflare wrote:On July 07 2015 03:03 Vivax wrote:
All this shit about Trfel is so distracting. All that's being discussed is Trfel and HF claimed the spotlight for himself.
Can we talk about geript? Or Damdred. I actually didn't like the way Damdred tried to bait LS into saying something damning earlier and then turned it into a scumread. It's not bad per se as it's a legit town strategy but my feels tingled with malicious intentions given that I don't get a scummy feeling from LS. geript has done nothing and has posted reads that don't make sense and are unexplained, it means nothing it's geriptdamdred focusing on ls so much is very weird but damdred's other scum reads are good and i'm waiting for his list of town reads ruxxar is so totally different from the last game i have no idea how people can scum read himls has done nothing scummy yet to be scum read geript has done this as mafia - the read on sandroba in JOAT is what comes to mind when they were both mafia, not to mention he has gotten mislynched before when people don't understand him - there was Carnaval and also NSM11... And I don't know how you can say ruxxar "is so totally different" when in last game he replaced in and he could play the way he did partially because he replaced in. I'm not saying that in of itself makes him one alignment or another but I think the basis for your comparison is flawed. Also, Ras did make a good point on him on the LS quote "lynching for bad reasons" and I see the phrasing from ruxxar like "how are you not explaining yourself in a clear and concise manner," etc etc it is just like some of the phrasing he DID use last game as mafia. Granted, maybe I have to read his NSM11 game one more time since I thought he was mafia from the obs qt, he didn't do a great job for himself in that game. But some of hte things he says I do get a feel that he tries to turn things around on people. If he does that as town or did that as town in NSM, then different criteria should be used to evaluate him. To me the argument about ruxxar and geript is quite similar actually. After quickly checking his himalaya filter ruxxar is posting very carefully and thoughtful there while it is the complete opposite in this game. The same applies to geript to an extent. As mafia he generally makes really thought out and well constructed posts. He is also generally way more townread as scum. As town he has very polarizing and borderline nonsensical reads and gets scumread. I am not really concerned with either of them at the moment. ^ that's basically it, ruxxar is far too carefree and his "i don't want to lynch you for bad reasons" post makes perfect sense and isn't awkward in the slightest
I'm reading ruxxar's NSM11 filter atm...
And I also don't understand ruxxar's followup but I may as well ask -
On July 07 2015 02:58 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 02:49 rsoultin wrote:then there's this post: On July 06 2015 12:07 ruXxar wrote:
Ls plz don't say too many stupid things.
I don't want to lynch you for bad reasons. I don't want LS to claim blue for dumb reasons.
So are you (ruxxar) saying this would make LS town/mafia if he does? What do you think of LS now, if anything?
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