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On July 16 2015 04:50 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
switching my vote to breshke if anyone is up for shenanigans later, he is my new most confident scum read again.
I have a town read on Breshke, in fact, I have had most of the game. You said you don't like Breshke you don't think he's trying to solve the game. Where are you getting that from?
I read his filter and from his filter he's narrowing down people and providing reads. Particularly the second half. Is he effective at it? That's another question.
If you are who I think you are, why aren't you taking his meta into account? Because he acts a certain way as scum and not so much as town in his reads, particularly earlier in the game.
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On July 16 2015 05:47 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 05:30 Half the Sky wrote:
Yeh he's been pushing me all game based on a meta read, but I've told him once he's completely misinterpreting my meta. Boxerfred, this is a large game. Most of town is at a crossroads right now, myself included and people - myself included - are not going to push someone without being fully confident in their read, which has been hampered by a combination of suboptimal play, digging through and trying to understand a much larger thread and much larger filters, and also newer players (e.g. milo, MZ, ruXxar, Clarity, WoS for me) that I am unfamiliar with, whereas, in Not Themed, I played with nearly everyone there before.
That said, his read is within the realm of possibilities (believable) for his experience with me but it is wrong. His read on me does not make him scum.
I do not however, understand why he is scumreading Oats. I think even Vivax asked him that too. I have him as town. I have not been pushing you. I have nothing to get a grip on, nothing that would be a good thing for me to push. That makes you town or a good scum player. Remember, it's a scum lean. Not a full blown read.
Alright, fair enough, but second question now is why are you scumreading (or leaning) Oats?
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On July 16 2015 05:58 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 05:36 Half the Sky wrote:On July 16 2015 04:50 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
switching my vote to breshke if anyone is up for shenanigans later, he is my new most confident scum read again. I have a town read on Breshke, in fact, I have had most of the game. You said you don't like Breshke you don't think he's trying to solve the game. Where are you getting that from? I read his filter and from his filter he's narrowing down people and providing reads. Particularly the second half. Is he effective at it? That's another question. If you are who I think you are, why aren't you taking his meta into account? Because he acts a certain way as scum and not so much as town in his reads, particularly earlier in the game. In his most recent post he has one scumread, one. I have to simply disagree. i find his meta inconclusive, I read previous games and I don't see a noticeable enough difference to read him as either alignment. If you want to see meta take a look at OWS previous town/scum games where I see a considerable difference and find his game here more in accordance with his scum games.So without a solid meta to work with I simply look at his gameplay objectively, which is scummy to me.
I argued this same point with Holyflare - HF argued that OWS was uptight or serious and what have you and I found quite the opposite in Aperture 4. You were (if you are who I think you are) on a scumteam with him in that game so you are in the best position to tell us what we should be looking for if OWS is scum.
Ironically I also argued earlier with HF (and HF admitted his read was offhand) that his read couldn't be reliable - on TL, OWS only has one scum game (Aperture 4) that is recent, as Hajime is inaccurate he was not scum that game. So I am quite curious on what basis and what points you are using to scumread OWS.
I see you clashed with him early game and you've been scumlisting him since, but what is the big deal? You haven't really discussed OWS in detail since.
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On July 16 2015 06:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm not moving my vote off of ebh.
Ever.
I want to see from EBH why OWS's scumread was out of the realm of possibilities for town early game (when OWS clashed with EBH - I am assuming that's why he's been scumreading OWS all game) and where he feels his meta read on OWS is much more convincing. He has a basis to do that, it's just a question of whether he can do it.
On July 16 2015 06:13 boxerfred wrote:
lol 4 pages only Oo
You played with him in both Himalayas and Not Themed. His short filter length is not a scumtell.
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On July 16 2015 06:31 boxerfred wrote:
EBH's filter is decent but short as fuck. I actually like it. I'm not voting him today.
Another thought that came to my mind:
We had 3 NK's this night, all on town:
Marvellosity the DLME Investigator has been killed!
Scott31337 the DLME Investigator has been killed!
Harkon the Lieutenant has been killed!
I assume that the Harkon shot came from scum. Pretty much confirmed blue. How many shots can scum pull off with 2 members left?
MOD QUESTION: Was Kelsier able to submit a night action? Was that night action executed or was it nullified since he was killed before EoN?
Then, I assume that someone who was handed a gun by LightningStrike shot. Most likely, the target was scott because he was scumread quite heavily. The other kill would've been a scum kill on marv then.
What is the thought process between killing marv and not LightningStrike? Recognizing him as an experienced player who's capable of finding scum? I'd say HtS and HF could think that way.
Since the gun LS handed out was a 1-shot, I think it's safe for him to say who he gave the gun to. Also, I want the gun bearer to tell who he shot and why. That would make it clearer which targets where shot by scum and it would confirm two people as town.
Or, LS + the one who claims having received the gun are the last two scum members.
That is only possible if there is another blue that is able to shoot in the game.
At this point, we have 5 dead blues and 1 more claimed blue, LS. That makes six blues vs. four reds. I lack experience in that game so please tell me, is that a valid and balanced setup that is likely to be used by Blazinghand?
Okay, so tl;dr:
LS, who received the gun? Confirm one more townie please. Guy with gun, tell us who you shot.
Also, is 6 blues vs. 4 reds okay and a "normal" setup?
Read the OP. Scum have 2kp until they are reduced to 1 person. One scummer - 1kp. In all circumstances.
And LS said several times he had TWO guns. He gave the first one to me n2. I shot MZ n2 but came very close to shooting Holyflare and was willing to get policy lynched for it. Second one LS said right after the daypost, he gave it to Marv and Marv shot Scott.
I think BH's setup for having worked together with him on TL LXX (Guardians) is balanced knowing how he scales the limited shot roles. You have five reds, and of those five 1-2 will probably be vanilla scum.
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On July 16 2015 06:44 boxerfred wrote:
okay, #tinfoil before I go to bed:
What if 3 scum roles with KP are alive and LS is lying about how he gave it to marv?
Two scum KP are accounted for - Harkon/marv
Third KP is marv on Scott
Fourth death is modkill.
And I claimed the shot on MZ.
In your world, the real gunsmith hasn't claimed or a town LS gunsmith would lie on whom he gave it to. Why would either ever happen?
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On July 16 2015 06:55 Clarity_nl wrote:
I would say he's being disruptive but he's not actually interrupting anything.
Not intentionally. I'm aware of how suboptimally he plays as town and he AFKs long enough to be quite behind every time he re-enters thread. NAI, it is what it is.
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On July 16 2015 07:29 Holyflare wrote:
ITT people complaining about their own policy lynch while qqing that nothing else is happening
btw clarity is mafia
Why?
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On July 15 2015 04:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
Breshke - I've read him as town based on his d1 for most of the game but I cannot recall a single thing he's done or said since then. In looking through his filter he immediately sheeped my post regarding milo and claimed that lynching damdred over milo would be bad even if damdred is RB, seems like a weird kind of logic to take. Scum obviously would love a milo lynch over damdred even if damdred is afterwards. He complains about the HF/milo interaction which I get, but then he calls milo confirmed scum which I do not. He showed no hesitation towards the end of d3 which I think makes him scum as milo started looking really townie near the end.
Breshke actually said this? Ugh I need to go to bed, but when was this?
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On July 16 2015 08:04 Holyflare wrote:
Obiwan is probably also mafia for my case and the fact that he's super hedged on me despite calling me scum all the time last night and seeing me "clearly misrepresent his meta" and he's only not voting me because there's a wagon on me? That's super bs too. Don't listen to HtS his filters are lies.
You're basically telling me not to use the Aperture 4 filter to make a read on him either way?
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I just find it really poor that people are clamouring to policy vote HF today when another nightfall would reveal what is going on...
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I didn't fully understand the "his filters are lies" comment either.
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On July 16 2015 08:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
Basically you gave me an excuse to just lynch you and not spend 2-3 hours reading meta and I'm happy taking it. Kinda the same thing as that I would have been happy if you got shot last night and flipped town.
Why would you policy lynch anyone today when another nightfall would reveal more potentally? We don't go to mylo/lylo tomorrow.
Trfel and BF are legitimately scumreading HF (and maybe others are too I forget offhand) but the policy voters....come on.
11:3 now
10:3 ML
8:3 NK
7:3 ML
5:3 mylo
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On July 16 2015 08:10 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 08:07 Half the Sky wrote:
I just find it really poor that people are clamouring to policy vote HF today when another nightfall would reveal what is going on... don't say this -_- like seriously, hts, if he really just up and quit the game, he's either scum skating by and thumbing his nose at us for being morons, or town that scum is definitely going to leave alive. a policy lynch on him if he hadn't come back isn't "really poor" at all
Hmmmm, alright. I'm just a little upset atm at how this game is going tbh.
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I want to say ruXxar or EBH actually. I would need time to re-read ruXxar and re-review Trfel's case but that is where I'm at.
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I'm not happy with my play to some extent (and I'm not even going to touch the n2 vig shot) but independent of n2, I am pretty frustrated.
But like I said, where my head is at - ruXxar/EBH, some of the others I also have to re-evaluate. And double check on Breshke and Clarity.
And I'm hoping I stumble on something important before next day cycle because I fly to NYC Friday >_<
I can still play, but the time will still be more limited. But will be on US East time so I just need to not fuck up EoDs >_<
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I'm out for the night. <3s
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Alright I will take your points on OWS into consideration considering what I drew in his defence was based on tone (which is weaker than the points you two have raised).
Now I'm out for the night.
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On July 16 2015 08:33 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 08:27 Holyflare wrote:
Man I just read obi's filters from his other games and this is exactly like his mafia game? There is no way he defends so many people so many times in his town games, he's super unsure and lost and a lazy pile of crap in town games and free town reads, silly defences and questions in mafia games. Just like here. on my list of things to do -_- but if hts is right about how small/outdated a pool we have to work with there i don't think it's enough to push ows on, not without a little more certainty. ksc getting modkilled was a windfall lol >< but we're running out of lynches pretty quickly here
HF admitted prior when I debated this point with him that his read on OWS is more offhand (paraphrasing).
+ Show Spoiler [ObiWanShinobi] +
.....and I counted....only 2 MLs left. :/
I agree....we got very lucky with KSC. He would have never gotten lynched.
Third time's a charm....now I really need to sleep.
And if I come back, someone should just dayvig me >_<
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