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ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 11 2015 02:25 GMT

#5120

On July 11 2015 11:23 rsoultin wrote:
i stand corrected lol ><

you needed over 10 minutes to write that?

When I give an opinion on people I like to back into their filter to make sure that what I remember actually is factually correct with their actions.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 11 2015 02:28 GMT

#5122

Just ignore it harkon. #JustRsoultinThings

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 11 2015 02:46 GMT

#5141

On July 11 2015 11:29 rsoultin wrote:

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yeah like that toneread doesn't even appear until well after the whole thread is talking about lynching him, so i'm just going to completely disregard it xP

talk to me about the fake redcheck

What do you want to know?

I think it's a suboptimal play from a mafia trying to survive.
Keep in mind that this was before geript outed.
I think the mechanically correct play as mafia is to fake a greencheck/redcheck and then stick with it.
Rescinding the check and saying that you got roleblocked is trying to sell the world of there being either 2 mafia RBs or 1 Mafia RB + 1 jailer.
I think that is a low percentage play, so I'm not a fan of it.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 11 2015 02:51 GMT

#5145

On July 11 2015 11:49 milo109 wrote:

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If in some very odd, very parallel universe, you did not automatically assume I was mafia, what would you read from the check?

I'm not sure what you mean specifically.
Can you clarify?

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 11 2015 02:56 GMT

#5152

On July 11 2015 11:51 rsoultin wrote:

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yet you think milo is scum? like you made this case for him before geript's claim, and then you said he should be auto?

I find (2 mafia RB's/RB + JK) unlikely, but possible.
I want to believe in the 1 RB world though.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 11 2015 03:10 GMT

#5170

On July 11 2015 11:52 milo109 wrote:

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Your response to the check was under the assumption that I was mafia. Under the assumption that I was null, what would your response be?

From a real cop perspective that actually got role-blocked, then you know you're pretty much not going to get any checks off until you die.
I think the play I would make is to just fake a red on the most scummy player on my list and stick with it.
You know you are 100% town, and everyone else is below 100%, so you have to trust in your own reads.

In that case I think you made the right play with faking the red-check, but screwed up when you rescinded.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 11 2015 05:17 GMT

#5257

Ok so this is a majority lynch game
Let's not make a mess of it like the 1st day and try to have a few primary targets ready for lynch tomorrow.
If we don't it'll end up in chaos and mafia can abuse the indecisiveness to push mis-lynches.

If you have not made up your mind on Milo's alignment yet, that should be your first priority right now.
If you disagree with lynching milo, I'd like to hear your arguments.

We'll have more info after tonight, but assuming that milo lives, we need to reach a consensus on whether to lynch him or not.

@milo: can you talk a little bit more about the fake red check, the plan behind it, what you gained from and why you rescinded so early.
I have some follow up questions after that.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 11 2015 13:55 GMT

#5309

On July 11 2015 15:34 geript wrote:

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OK this is pretty much bullshit. Let me be clear. I'm kinda meh about Harkon. The claim is completely irrelevant. There's a great set of reasons to claim vet there. Yes, it helps sink Damdred, but that ship is essentially already done and gone. So you're sacrificing a piece that you've already lost in order to gain town cred. Nothing against Harkon, but if he doesn't die then he becomes pretty sketchy and would 100% lynch him at lylo.

Also, vet is actually a really hard role to cc. Yes, 2 vets would be odd. But it's not in any way close to confirmed. It's unlikely Harkon is mafia. But if he is, then the vet claim is a great play because it's non-confirmable and actually hard to counter. Hell even a PGO or something would have a hard time claiming against him.

I was actually mulling over this.
It's actually a pretty good play by mafia to claim vet. If the claim goes un-CC'ed then he's pretty much gained town-cred until LYLO.

It's not an impossible world, but i dont have harkon pinned as particularly scummy at this point.
For now there's other people i'd want to lynch before considering this possibility.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 11 2015 14:03 GMT

#5325

On July 11 2015 22:59 Harkon wrote:

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No, it is not actually a good play as mafia. There is NOTHING to gain from it besides making sure damdred dies and if I survive multiple nights people will get mad suspicious of me. Absolutely no reason to do it. Everyone was townreading me anyways I do not need towncred if I am mafia. It actually hurts instead of helping.

Mm. I see what you're saying.
I think quality of that play depends on how good your town status is.
The more scumread you are the better the play, I'd say.
From the position you were in, I can agree it's probably not such a good play.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 11 2015 14:06 GMT

#5330

On July 11 2015 23:01 marvellosity wrote:
yes Harkon is right.

ruxaorara's points on milo were a bit better though. it's all kinda weird.

I swear if I get a gun, I'm going to shoot you 100%.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 11 2015 14:10 GMT

#5335

On July 11 2015 23:07 Harkon wrote:

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Don't be mad at him, ruxor.

Like, it's not hard to get my name right.
Either you type ruxxar or you can type ruxx.

You know that a persons name is their most precious belonging? q.q

/endrant

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 11 2015 14:12 GMT

#5338

On July 11 2015 23:11 marvellosity wrote:

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you do realise it's this reaction that makes me keep doing it, yes?

Oh right, I forgot you were 12 -_-.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 11 2015 14:15 GMT

#5346

I've been bullied enough times IRL because of my name, but w/e.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 11 2015 14:22 GMT

#5354

What makes the 2 RB world more likely, is that the fact that even though some roles are only 1 or 2 shot, the fact that you have so many of them and they can all be used independently, really stacks the game in towns favor.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 11 2015 14:33 GMT

#5365

Yeah okay, if there's never been 2 RB's before there's a very slim chance there's going to be one this game either.
I like statistics and I don't like to make low percentage plays.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 11 2015 14:34 GMT

#5366

*2 Mafia RBs

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 11 2015 14:40 GMT

#5375

On July 11 2015 23:35 rsoultin wrote:

\o/

i'm out for a bit

btw ruxx, you no longer care about asking me the same question over and over, or did you finally actually read what i've been saying all along? xP

I've just come to terms with that I won't get a clear answer out of you regarding trfel. Sorry, no offense.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 11 2015 14:48 GMT

#5380

On July 11 2015 23:43 rsoultin wrote:

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not offended

what don't you understand, though? i thought i explained it pretty damn clearly, frankly

I expressed my thoughts in this post
I don't understand the motivation for disrupting people trying to question Trfel.
I understand that HF probably was a bit mean, but you should let the mod handle that. You're not Trfel's mommy. He can take care of himself.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 11 2015 14:51 GMT

#5384

On July 11 2015 23:49 rsoultin wrote:

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demonstrate where i disrupted people trying to question trfel, because i didn't xP

This post:

On July 08 2015 08:50 ruXxar wrote:

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On July 08 2015 07:52 rsoultin wrote:

On July 08 2015 07:44 ruXxar wrote:
@rsoultin.

HF, was putting pressure on trfel. And well founded pressure too with the way trfel has been playing this game.
Putting pressure on people is a good thing, it's an excellent tool for extracting information.
Yet you seem to have a problem with people putting pressure on trfel, and you guard him like a watch dog.

The issue is not that you came with your opinion on trfel, that is completely fine and legit.
The problem is that you acted irrationally and actively tried to disrupt and deny us information out of Trfel.
When someone observes a contradiction or inconsistency in what people say and they question them about it, the most anti-town thing you can do is try to interject and derail the questioning, which is exactly what you did.

Tell me this, why are you defending Trfel when he is perfectly capable of defending himself?
Furthermore, he might be mafia, so why are you so adamant about defending someone without knowing their alignment?
Your goal as town should be to get as much information out of anyone as to form a basis of judgement on.
Blindly defending people as town is an incredibly bad way to play.

Combined with your other actions this game, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

do you even begin to realize how difficult it is for me to even bother finish reading this pile of shit when it's clear you didn't bother to actually READ our interaction?

go away, or actually fact check your own fucking claims

i've answered all your leading questions already

i've formed my judgment on truffle and until i actually see anything to indicate otherwise, you can bite me

i was right on gb. i was right on damdy. i was right on bugs. i was right on hf. i was right on you. and i was right on wave and oats. but instead of CONSIDERING after seeing my play last game and losing the game while ignoring my advice in your newbie, that i might actually have a good fucking toneread on truffle you try to paint it as me denying information?

lol ><

I read your interaction just fine.
Let me recap my view of it, just so you can correct me if I'm missing something.

1st interaction: Starts here
Recap:
HF: "Trfel you are playing like burnt out mafia"
RS: "I don't think he is, but I'll find out soon for sure"
HF: "I don't need your opinion RS"
RS: "Trfel is town, your reads are wrong!".
HF: "I don't need you go away".
Mod: Interrupts.

2nd interaction: Starts here
Recap:
HF: "I wanted to force Trfel to present his argument in a logical manner"
RS: "HF is misrepresenting me and being a dick, I don't mind if you question Trfel"
HF: (Posts quotes where you disrupted him from questioning)
RS: "You were trying to shit on me!"
HF: "I don't deny being a dick, but I was trying to pressure trfel to gain information"
RS: "Stop questioning him so early! Let's talk about something else"
(topic changed)

3rd interaction: Starts here
Recap:
HF: "Trfel there's an inconsistency in your read on LS, explain why".
RS: "HF, you can't read!"
RS: "I want to let trfel answer for himself, but you guys are too stupid!"
HF: "How is that not reading?"
RS: "Trfel already explained it!"
HF: "Explained it how?"
RS: "HTS saw the questioning, why don't you get it?"
HF: "How does that explain him changing his stance?"
RS: "You are stupid HF!"
(Shitfight ensues, questioning derailed)

It's all pretty obvious disruption from my point of view.
Once again you're derailing.

I'm not going away anytime soon.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 11 2015 14:56 GMT

#5390

On July 11 2015 23:53 Vivax wrote:
Besides if that's so relevant to you, you might as well rather talk about Trfel being mafia and why

I want to talk to trfel, but he's seemingly gone underground hiding somewhere.
I haven't seen him in forever.
I mean, he basically asked for people to talk to him, yet he's never here.

On July 10 2015 14:23 Trfel wrote:

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It turns out you answered it like 3 posts above, so...

I've tried to talk to people a few times, but no one seems to want to talk to me at all. And I can't blame them, I don't really know anything XD

I think I'm happy with a Damdred lynch today, and I'm comfortable with the associative milo109 scumread, and still scumreading Holyflare.

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