On July 08 2015 18:29 Clarity_nl wrote:
marv did you switch to BM because you thought he was the better lynch or because you were pressured into it/didn't want to risk no-lynching?

i didn't think he was the better lynch, no

marvellosity

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July 08 2015 09:31 GMT

#3266

Really fucking hate people who bitch about lynches while not giving a fuck about it themselves.

makes me want to shoot them in the face.

marvellosity

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July 08 2015 09:33 GMT

#3269

On July 08 2015 18:32 Clarity_nl wrote:

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Huh? Is that directed at me?

no it was at EBD, fairly obviously.

and no i didn't do anything about the switch, do you expect me to have massively persuasive arguments in favour/against either MZ or BM?

marvellosity

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July 08 2015 09:36 GMT

#3271

I thought how MZ was bringing up alternative lynches based on reading 20% of the thread was very weird. Why is he suggesting lynches when he's basically missed everything? You can probably grasp this from my line of questioning at the time.

Then... HF? said something about it being more likely for MZ just to switch to BM which I kinda bought at the time, but now I'm not so sure.

tldr; still don't really know

marvellosity

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July 08 2015 09:39 GMT

#3272

like if you're reading the thread and it's lynch time and you're desperately looking for a lynch, i'd think you should be filtering the 2-3 people you think you might want to lynch, rather than reading another few pages of the 70 you are still behind

marvellosity

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July 08 2015 09:42 GMT

#3274

On July 08 2015 18:39 Clarity_nl wrote:
Right, but his reads were in fact based on early day 1 which kinda suggests he didn't read the thread which makes it more likely he's telling the truth about not being around until EoD.

I guess that's NAI... but I think if you roll scum and you come back with an hour or so before deadline is your approach really to vote your first scumread, then argue in thread about how the only lynch other than you is bad?

why not? it's the kind of thing i'd do. MZ is a clever, sneaky boy.

the absolute best way NOT to look like scum is not just to go "omg, vote to save myself"

people were all over MZ. what would have happened to MZ if he just goes "well fuck i'm behind, we'll just kill BM"

I'd argue things would have gone a lot worse for him.

marvellosity

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July 08 2015 09:43 GMT

#3275

On July 08 2015 14:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Well marv told him to sheep him.
Which is usually enough for almost anyone, so I don't know if that read flip is as damning as I first thought.

yes. And Clarity has a thing (more than most ppl) for sheeping me at moments like that. For which i love him.

marvellosity

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July 08 2015 09:47 GMT

#3277

On July 08 2015 18:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
I mean if I show up THAT late and notice I've rolled scum there's a good chance I would only put in effort if I survived the lynch, not before. But I can't expect MZ to be the same as me. It's still a townlean for me, but you have a point

Anyway I'm around for most of the day, but I'm not gonna do heavy filter diving or anything until tonight.

he would have died otherwise.

marvellosity

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July 08 2015 09:48 GMT

#3278

i kinda wish i'd hardpushed MZ at the end just to see what would have happened.

marvellosity

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July 08 2015 09:52 GMT

#3280

your explanation isn't the simpler explanation

he needed to live

just sheeping on BM makes it much more likely he dies

it's not complicated at all

marvellosity

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July 08 2015 09:53 GMT

#3281

yeah i dunno if i want to lynch him.

i just think these townreads/leans for what he did when he came back are fucking absurd.

marvellosity

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July 08 2015 09:55 GMT

#3283

Obi always does that. He's never learnt.

marvellosity

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July 08 2015 09:57 GMT

#3284

if anything it makes him more likely town because it's one of his characteristic errors.

marvellosity

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July 08 2015 10:00 GMT

#3286

On July 08 2015 18:57 Vivax wrote:
Any reason you don't care much about WoS?

not really. i did bring him up before he came back whenever it was.

but then i kinda thought how he went/talked about targets looked ok at the time.

But then he disappeared again.

i'm also slightly more inclined to believe he'd be shit-tastically useless as town (i know i've pushed him several times because of it, pretty sure he'd confirm it. I can think of ## mafia offhand but i know there are others) whereas i don't remember seeing him shit-tastically useless/do-nothing as mafia.

marvellosity

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July 08 2015 10:01 GMT

#3287

do you think MZ's read on you is reasonable, Vivax?

marvellosity

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July 08 2015 10:08 GMT

#3290

On July 08 2015 19:07 Vivax wrote:
Not to say that it's legitimate to scumread me but since apparently it progressed throughout his catch-up I have no reason to assume it's a fake read.

you agree you've been playing like a jackass then?