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On July 11 2015 22:57 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 22:56 Half the Sky wrote:On July 11 2015 22:53 rsoultin wrote:On July 11 2015 22:52 Half the Sky wrote:On July 11 2015 22:46 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why is a milo shot bad, anyway? There's no one really defending him so are we getting information by lynching him that we wouldn't by shooting him or?
It's entirely possible that I'm being dumb He claimed DT, need to force him to out that second check. Also with other high profile blues and someone armed, I'm also living in a 2 RB world. so you basically think milo is town or you're living an a 2 RB world separate of his alignment? Separate of his alignment. They're intertwined. We know that damdred roleblocked ritoky. We know that milo claimed roleblocked. Both happened night 1. This means that if there is a second roleblocker, milo is 100% town.
I see what you're saying.
But given how he played d1 (I didn't believe either claim then) and that RBs are minimal for other roles and the subsequent play cited we also cannot eliminate the possibility that
1 if he's mafia HE is second RBer
2 he may have RBed someone who wasn't notified or could have stacked on marv.
I realise these are two remote possibilities mechanically. But given his gameplay that's why I am taking everything into account.
If I'm just entire wrong on the mechanics then I need to be slapped to get out of the tunnel but his gameplay ignoring the claims has been bothering me all game.
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From a mechanics standpoint I'm just trying to consider that with 4 conf blues flying around (DT rit, tracker, banisher, and gunsmith) how aren't there two RBs? What scum setup with 1 RB would counter all that?
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On July 11 2015 23:17 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 23:14 Half the Sky wrote:
From a mechanics standpoint I'm just trying to consider that with 4 conf blues flying around (DT rit, tracker, banisher, and gunsmith) how aren't there two RBs? What scum setup with 1 RB would counter all that? i don't understand your point we've had millions of 30 player normals with 6+ blues and only one roleblocker. what's so odd?
Really? Alright then. This is only my third ever large normal. And after Titanic 7 with two JKs, I'm just thinking to never discount the possibility of a two RBs game.
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On July 11 2015 23:19 rsoultin wrote:
like...the banisher and gunsmith roles are largely uneffected by roleblockers anyway, right?
Scum RB supersedes all roles so no.
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I normally don't drunk post I'm out for sushi and cocktails and I'm tipsy like fuck.
I'm just checking in to verify I took LS gun and blew MZ with it last night.
I'll be back when I'm sober, checked in since not sure LS would be here.
I am pretty pissed though he was town.
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ggs rotoky geript and MZ.
MZ I am really sorry.
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On July 12 2015 07:11 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 07:10 Half the Sky wrote:
I normally don't drunk post I'm out for sushi and cocktails and I'm tipsy like fuck.
I'm just checking in to verify I took LS gun and blew MZ with it last night.
I'll be back when I'm sober, checked in since not sure LS would be here.
I am pretty pissed though he was town.
lol thanks for not being stupid xP btw...you and ls both
I honestly had a short list of people I want to shoot MZ was on that list obv, but I realised tactic approach Harkon mentioned.
and I thought LS had some Pokémon thing on sat nights so I wasn't sure he'd be around.
anyways....
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Back, going to try and hang for 60-90 in the wee hours. Catching up from prior to the flip...
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On July 12 2015 12:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Here I am and nobody wants to talk.
K back to the abyss
I'm here, catching up, some filter diving right now. Long story short I vigged MZ and that was a failure.
Ras in her last few posts is doing fine deconstructing against how milo could possibly be coming to the conclusions he is as a town DT.
WoS, basically long and short of it is that there's a load of people that for many people in the game are clocking in at null to soemwhat scum/not memorable (vivax/ebh/scott/bf/ows, etc.) and then there's discussion on the ruxxar/hf/rasputin/trfel area that has been dominating on and off the entire game. So that would be a good starting point to start going on/for. Additionally about 2-3 of us have seen reason to re-consider townreads on KSC.
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On July 12 2015 13:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like without looking specifically I bet there's been people attempting to somehow push me while I wasn't playing (supposedly for good reason) and yet knowing very well this isn't how I normally play. Probably some scum in thar.
That was one thing in the back of my mind. MZ was one of them but so was Damdred lol.
I think Vivax was too but now he's trying to go after Trfel. He had you on top lynches for awhile. Is that incongruent with what you'd expect from town Vivax?
BF also had you and wanted to lynch you, this is his.....4th game I think? I don't think he's had any exposure to you.
Also I'm looking into Kelsier. Ritoky and others brought up how he's fallen off but there was something else too. Related to you, he said he liked (earlier) Clarity's (scum?) read on WoS yet scumread Damdred for his push on WoS so that was something that drew some attention there. Looking through earlier his filter (doublechecking the order in which tings happened) he's saying he's scumreading you for posts where you shouldn't have TRed Clarity early on. I'm trying to piece all that together atm...
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On July 12 2015 13:09 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 13:04 rsoultin wrote:On July 12 2015 13:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like without looking specifically I bet there's been people attempting to somehow push me while I wasn't playing (supposedly for good reason) and yet knowing very well this isn't how I normally play. Probably some scum in thar. xP and probably some town, too, i imagine Actually on that note are there people who think I'm town for the same thing? I dunno if there's anything to learn on that. Wish I had TL+ so I could just 'all' the whole thread and look up my name
I do. I checked your meta against NSM11 and queried the thread - both Marv and OWS said that the town read based on your meta was reasonable so I am subscribing to that at the moment. Your meta could be easily faked (I think it was BF who said that??? but don't quote me and I can see where he's coming from with that) but right now I am townreading both of those two.
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On July 12 2015 13:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm curious though, what did YOU find in my meta? I believe I had a townread on you earlier and I believe you claimed the shot on MZ (LS gun, yes?) so I kind of want to see how you went about doing that.
Yes I claimed the shot on MZ and yes LS gave me the gun N1.
I assume you are asking how I came to your conclusion on your meta.
Yes what led to the initial query is this (spoilered)
+ Show Spoiler [quotes] +On July 07 2015 09:10 Half the Sky wrote:
Going through WoS and LS filters again...
Those of you that know WoS, are there any general town or scum tells I should be on the lookout for? I have never played with him and reading his filter, nothing is jumping out at me as particularly scummy except for his more or less afk vote on Holyflare.
I'm not sure where that vote came from tbh, can't tell if it was tone or whatnot.
If you took that out, I'd probably given him a null to slight townlean for some of the posts in his filter, but if he's been around awhile, he probably could replicate that as scum. On July 07 2015 21:29 Half the Sky wrote:
KSC, assuming I didn't misunderstand marv, he is saying his evidence for the clarity lynch was faulty, but in any case I have to re-read wos/clarity again, wos's posting so far objectively I can see being made as either alignment and compared to those more experienced with him I'm not entirely sure what to look for. Thing is, I know in other threads (not in other games, I've never actually played with him before) he's criticised his own town game, so I don't know if he really is a poor town player. On July 08 2015 22:08 Half the Sky wrote:
Re-reading WoS filter here and in NSM 11.
He's coming off WAY more aggressive (almost borderline dickish) in his mafia game, here he's extremely passive. But that's one game though, I don't know if he's had passive mafia games in the past. I know as town he criticises himself for a poor game/scumhunting so that could be something here in his favour.
If I disregarded his scumgame and didn't know how his towngame was, I'd be inclined to scumread him for the passivity, he is fielding questions but not really driving or contributing much.
If anyone who 1) knows him from NSM11 or another game where he's been scum or 2) has had large-game experience with him or experience where wos has had a poor town game before can comment one way or another let me know.
Meta right now is the only reason I'd give WoS a townlean.
That was my progression. The third quote should answer your question.
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WoS, clarity I had a townread on given a lot of his conversation throughout the thread, but is there any reason (his last post on you, two days ago, his filter after this post is just mostly talking about milo and then he's AFKed til Monday for RL reasons)
On July 11 2015 02:50 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm not sold on MZ, although marv really likes his lynch so I guess maybe.
In order I would like to lynch:
Damdred
Milo
WoS
MZ
Vivax
Rsoultin <- I have to read up on her and HF. I said much earlier in game I think their d1 stuff was town on town, but that was before it happened like 5 more times. I definitely don't think it's scum on scum, HF makes me nervous as his posts have gotten more and more emotional and less and less
Need to read up on ruxxar and to a lesser extent HTS and boxerfred because they're kinda null in my mind.
I expect the entire scumteam to be in the names I put in this post.
This was just prior to Damdred's lynch and then the milo talk was during nightphase. Question is, clarity is within expectations here?
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On July 12 2015 13:38 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 13:35 Half the Sky wrote:WoS, clarity I had a townread on given a lot of his conversation throughout the thread, but is there any reason (his last post on you, two days ago, his filter after this post is just mostly talking about milo and then he's AFKed til Monday for RL reasons) On July 11 2015 02:50 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm not sold on MZ, although marv really likes his lynch so I guess maybe.
In order I would like to lynch:
Damdred
Milo
WoS
MZ
Vivax
Rsoultin <- I have to read up on her and HF. I said much earlier in game I think their d1 stuff was town on town, but that was before it happened like 5 more times. I definitely don't think it's scum on scum, HF makes me nervous as his posts have gotten more and more emotional and less and less
Need to read up on ruxxar and to a lesser extent HTS and boxerfred because they're kinda null in my mind.
I expect the entire scumteam to be in the names I put in this post. This was just prior to Damdred's lynch and then the milo talk was during nightphase. Question is, clarity is within expectations here? Not sure. I gave him a super early townread ages ago but I can't say I can meta him particularly well. I assume you mean meta again when you ask if he's 'within expectations?'
Yes, just as you answered for Vivax.
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On July 12 2015 13:45 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 13:41 Half the Sky wrote:On July 12 2015 13:38 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 12 2015 13:35 Half the Sky wrote:WoS, clarity I had a townread on given a lot of his conversation throughout the thread, but is there any reason (his last post on you, two days ago, his filter after this post is just mostly talking about milo and then he's AFKed til Monday for RL reasons) On July 11 2015 02:50 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm not sold on MZ, although marv really likes his lynch so I guess maybe.
In order I would like to lynch:
Damdred
Milo
WoS
MZ
Vivax
Rsoultin <- I have to read up on her and HF. I said much earlier in game I think their d1 stuff was town on town, but that was before it happened like 5 more times. I definitely don't think it's scum on scum, HF makes me nervous as his posts have gotten more and more emotional and less and less
Need to read up on ruxxar and to a lesser extent HTS and boxerfred because they're kinda null in my mind.
I expect the entire scumteam to be in the names I put in this post. This was just prior to Damdred's lynch and then the milo talk was during nightphase. Question is, clarity is within expectations here? Not sure. I gave him a super early townread ages ago but I can't say I can meta him particularly well. I assume you mean meta again when you ask if he's 'within expectations?' Yes, just as you answered for Vivax. I've played with Vivax more often and more recently than clarity. I don't think I'd base reads purely on meta anyway normally, but anything goes this game. I don't even know though what you'd expect me to say about this post as it pertains to clarity's meta (or anyone else's for taht matter).
Oh god, I'm an idiot, you just said "I can't meta him particularly well."
Disregard.
I really shouldn't be playing this game this late, but whatever...
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On July 12 2015 13:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm losing all motivation to play this game. It's too goddamn big at this point and it's barely day 3.
I'm really hoping milo and scott are mafia because, if they're not, I'm afraid I'm never going to find more mafia.
Do we even have more scumreads outside of those two?
Do you have any thoughts on Kelsier possibly being scum?
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On July 12 2015 13:49 Trfel wrote:
I'll try to start playing this game more seriously on Monday.... (no, this isn't a request to not be lynched until then, it's just information, and also a way to avoid getting modkilled for inactivity...)
You're aware there's several looking to lynch you right? There's a bit of a stagnation issue trying to find scum so if you are town, we are really going to need your help. Even if it's just 30 minutes to spend on one of the below issues.
I'm not sure I want to know how many pages you are behind but a good place to start is the critical issues
1 where you see the rasputin/hf/ruxxar sphere - who's the scum in that
2 your opinion on KSC (some are reconsidering his townread)
3 lot of nulls or players not making an impact as cited by others (scott/vivax/bf/wos, etc), you're in this category obv for most if not all people
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On July 12 2015 13:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 13:49 Half the Sky wrote:On July 12 2015 13:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm losing all motivation to play this game. It's too goddamn big at this point and it's barely day 3.
I'm really hoping milo and scott are mafia because, if they're not, I'm afraid I'm never going to find more mafia.
Do we even have more scumreads outside of those two? Do you have any thoughts on Kelsier possibly being scum? None whatsoever. Does anyone have a reason for calling him scum or what? I'd presume there's a reason his name is being dropped aside from the fact that he hasn't posted 2359623405263 times in the last hour or so.
I know ritoky cited him for falling off. geript mentioned him, and shit, there was a third person besides me. Can't remember whom....
I was filter diving Vivax when I noticed the KSC read on Clarity and Damdred, contradicting reads for not liking WoS but then rechecking the filter, timeline wise, I see how it's fleshed out. Nothing to reconsider there, the read for wave was not based on inactivity and Damdred's was so that makes sense for town KSC.
Right now just isolating his filter, D1 looks good, read progression on Damdred looks normal, natural. Afterwards...he's dropped off but the few questions he has asked MZ did get some info out now that we know MZ is town.
in that sense MZ did make a good point against Scott and his responses on Wave/Vivax might shed some light on Vivax.
Yeh looking in detail at his filter I'm going to have to move on. Inactivity/falling off is the only concern. Someone else mentioned that he might be getting demotivated if scum were to have lost their second player last night but clearly that didn't happen so that argument is shot.
Moving on...
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6am...I'm going to give myself 20 more minutes and then crash. I've never stayed up this late. Someone vig me please if I'm up past then. >_<
Alright, so regarding Scott...that point made by MZ whilst we're at it...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=52#1026
On July 11 2015 06:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Biggest problem for me was his actions around the BM lynch where he was so certain BM was gonna flip town but voted him anyway. If you think BM is town then vote for me. If you think we're both town with "98%" certainty then vote no lynch. No lynch isn't the end of the world if from your perspective both people or the person with the majority is town. Scott thought BM was town but let him die for the sake of having a lynch. That's a huge red flag in my book.
I'm going to start from there. I know OWS you said he was boring, but this might be an indicator "boring" might not be the only problem with him. (If someone else has already brought this up somewhere, I've missed it.)
Back to the filter diving....
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On July 12 2015 14:03 Trfel wrote:
And I still want to lynch Holyflare.
##vote Holyflare
Is your read changing at all based on anything he's posted lately? Or is it simply reinforced?
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