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So Vivax, let's talk about your read on WoS. My understanding you want to kill WoS for pretty much being useless.
What do you think of the meta read that he's useless as town (which OWS and marv subscribed to) and more ambitious as mafia. Are you aware of any prior situations where scum WoS (who has been around for awhile) has been useless?
I came to the conclusion earlier that WoS was town based on his last game (NSM11 he was scum), completely different tone, aggressive and almost a dick to some people etc etc.
WoS in threads outside the game has also put down his town game, and that he usually has trouble scumhunting. Which if he's town this game would appear to be true in a game with 25 players.
Do you have any valid points on a scum WoS that really does jack all? Maybe he's not following up, but I don't know if that's just "oh shit I'm really confused and don't know where to go" or just that he's got a dicey RL schedule (I think he said he has kids? IDK) or whatever.
Like why doesn't what he do is possible as town?
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And if I'm wrong with your problem on wos, then do tell me what the problem actually is.
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On July 11 2015 04:41 Vivax wrote:
It's one of those typical cases that argue why somebody is scum cause he doesn't behave like your picture of an ideal town player (but he didn't do anything with it, but he only soft-pushed etc. completely ignoring that my impact this game isn't particularly high).
A good case is rather based on showing that somebody has opinions he shouldn't have, where they conflict with things he said earlier. That's what Damdred fell for on the D1 of the game where he won cause I got mislynched. He was praising some dude who had some townreads that were Damdred's scumreads etc.
That's sort of the point I was trying to progress with the first half of my case. The parts about geript and Damdred.
For geript he clarified his stance. At that time why did you still want to kill him? I'll try and break this down for you - when I was reading your filter he is clarifying himself and then you go to say "I don't want to distract from killing geript, etc etc" (paraphrasing, see the quote I posted AFTER my case) so that tells me you are still very much wanting to lynch him then.
Shouldn't your opinion have changed? Or did you have a reason at that time it did not? That is what I was driving at.
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On July 10 2015 19:12 Vivax wrote:
Feel free to give me a taste of the whip if I keep being lazy for too long.
So now that you are on board with lynching Damdred, etc. Where do you stand on the rest? If you assume there's 1-2 within the claims, do you even have a hunch of where other scumreads could be?
I assume WoS and MZ are (still??) on your list, if they are not then whom?
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On July 11 2015 05:04 Vivax wrote:
Next logical step if Damdred flips scum is to look at milo. I'm not even bothering to do anything else for the moment as it's a waste of time when there's information incoming anyway.
Nearly the entire game agrees on that point. But you also did afk from the thread for nearly 48h (8-10 July) which is partially why I asked the question.
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On July 11 2015 05:11 Vivax wrote:
They're both on ice, I didn't even reread them so far cause I see no reason to. Doing work and posting cases at this point is at best good for burying what I write under the pile of what's incoming given that today's lynch is already decided.
Semantics clarification - on ice meaning they are null or that you have "put them on ice" or put them away until post-lynch?
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On July 11 2015 05:14 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 04:35 Vivax wrote:
Cute case, good effort but we're lynching Damdred today and the next day decide what to do with milo.
A lot of your points is that I have no followup on things, that's true, cause when I don't find resonance on a player for something I found suspicious I just move on and look elsewhere for something that convinces more people. And at the time I posted those maybe 2 other people were scumreading geript, and everybody except you didn't seem interested in what I wrote about Damdred.
I don't try to push myself into the foreground to lynch a single player if my best arguments weren't perceived as strong or interesting in the first place, especially not on D1.
Several shit-tastic tunnels you've made on me d1 say otherwise
^^^ Yeh that's why I felt it important to ask about geript.
I can understand why you DIDN'T follow up on Damdred though - you say "I can see town perspective but based on my read on LS, it might be malicious" so I can buy the argument for Damdred.
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On July 11 2015 05:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 05:09 marvellosity wrote:On July 11 2015 03:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 03:13 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 11 2015 03:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 03:12 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 11 2015 02:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 11 2015 02:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Sigh. Marv just because you can't see why I liked ritoky over milo doesn't mean it isn't there. In fact if you look at everything that's happened subsequently I've been right about their play.
But if you're hell bent lynching me we'll cross that bridge in a day or or two.
In the meantime can anyone justify why they don't want to lynch vivax after the little shit he posted last night about "being lazy"? being right =/= being town. You are hardly in a position to talk about Vivax not posting. Why is that scummy? I feel like you literally are not reading my posts oats. I asked why people didn't want to lynch vivax after what he posted last night. This is not the first time I've had to clarify myself for you when you could simply have read my posts -_- Why is what Vivax posted last night scummy? No let's do this. Do you think what he posted last night is not scummy? I think its pretty damn null. Well that's pretty damn weak. Vivax does the same thing wave does. Come in, make an excuse for his play, and bails. A townie doesn't go "hey guys, sorry I'm bad, gonna keep being bad until you lynch me" a townie tries their best to appear town. Vivax and wave aren't thinking like that, they're just trying to find excuses for their scummy play rather than actually try to appear more townie by helping scum hunt. you've played enough that you can't genuinely believe this is true in a blanket fashion No its not always true but I think barring new players and people who just don't give a fuck like coagulation and Bill Murray it's a safe statement. Especially since both Wave and Vivax are experienced enough to understand that even if they're not feeling the game it's still important to at least try and participate. Perhaps my meta reads really are out of date but I don't remember wave fucking off as town. However if they're scum they'd both be understandably discouraged and looking for excuses to stay out of the thread seeing as it appears we've caught at least two scum.
Regarding the Vivax meta thing - he has mentioned a month or two ago that he was purposely trying to change his meta (trash his town meta or w/e) in Assassination and I didn't believe him at that time. Take that as you will.
If Vivax is town - and he may be - it's a bit aggravating - to Clarity's point (last post) on Vivax - yeh there are 23 players left in this game and there's other shit happening in this game that is worth commenting on. Several players have voiced the concern that there are 1-2 players skating by under the claim ruckus/shitfighting/other dominant issues in the thread and at the very least if you are town, you can try to help ferret that out, otherwise we're liable to think you might be one of those people.
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On July 11 2015 05:29 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 05:28 Damdred wrote:
I've played horribly but I might as well leave thoughts as I die Sure, don't let him stop you. We will lynch you no matter what though and I will probably not consider anything you write unless you by some miracle flip town.
That and MZ for that matter, also on board that whoever has LS's gun should shoot MZ, end of.
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On July 11 2015 05:31 KelsierSC wrote:
Vivax , what do you think of boxer at this point?
Given his responses to me, don't bank on an answer anytime soon :/
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On July 11 2015 07:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Surprise surprise
BH is putting a shitton of flavor into these posts and I haven't been reading them. As someone who has hosted once or twice I feel bad lol.
Probably the only post of yours this game that I can sheep. 
In all seriousness, I love the flavour BH.
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And with that, probably some more dota on my end and then I'm calling it a night.
<3s
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On July 11 2015 18:12 geript wrote:
I think my preferred next lynch is rsoultin. I'll explain why later. But feel free to discuss.
I've admitted before I could be wrong on my previous town read on her but I feel I'm seeing enough town tells in her limited posting. But it's Saturday...
People have already brought up the shit fighting before but if I had to draw any parallels from her scum game in a scum Rasputin world....
I know she was somewhat combative (but not like this????) in Carnaval. The key word being somewhat. Maybe combative might not be the right word but snappy. I sort of remember how she went on (I think????) VayneAuthority in that game but it wasn't like here. Not sure if I can conclude definitively on this point alone esp not re-reading filters first.
One thing with her is if she is accused of being scum she does get flustered and posts to stall for a response are common. You could argue that it goes hand in hand with the shitfighting in this game.
There is also another scum tell that comes to mind but should a scum Ras still be alive then it's not going to be relevant until late game, irrespective of who else is still around. Wait and see...
It will be harder to meta her partially because of inactivity and I'm not sure any parallels I make for a scum Rasputin are that strong. Even the shitfighting brought to mind of how she was in Himalayas when people didn't get certain elements she did. Reactions might be the only scum tell that could check out.
Damdred did mention her as scum in his post but he did other people....unless you meant maybe there's something in him not talking about her all game and then she just winds up on his final post or something. I don't really recall any interaction between them early on, or nothing memorable. So maybe he skirted around her (I don't remember any comments offhand earlier on shitfighting) which might be indicative given how much attention she got from others on shitfighting. Damdred also mentioned Trfel in that post and the usual others milo and mZ it could be something or it could be nothing. I just know from reading flipped scum Damdred in the past (namely Titanic 7) I have not been great at picking the scum from his posts.
Again I realise I'm rambling but overall I don't think these points are that strong. Maybe the reactions but offhand that's all I have. Need to re-read Damdred.
I'd love to hear your thoughts esp if you are seeing something I'm not.
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On July 11 2015 22:10 rsoultin wrote:
;o; dude you have no idea. i should get two cookies for reading all this blather lol ><
If I've not been clear I'm going to hold you to higher expectations now that it's the weekend. So if you've read through do you have anything on any issue not already beaten to death?
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Vivax - scum lean
EBH - still null
BF - town lean - not memorable but struggles in scum hunting align with previous games.
Oats is a sparse poster I want to say town lean because he is clashing with everyone, in down under 2 he seemed to want to fly under the radar. (Not even considering carol since he really did jack all that game) I know he's not a big case poster but that's the overall impression I get from his posts. He's putting himself out there.
Scott is the other one I need to reread. And KSC I still need to recheck.
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On July 11 2015 22:22 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 22:20 Half the Sky wrote:On July 11 2015 22:10 rsoultin wrote:
;o; dude you have no idea. i should get two cookies for reading all this blather lol >< If I've not been clear I'm going to hold you to higher expectations now that it's the weekend. So if you've read through do you have anything on any issue not already beaten to death? i've talked about most things already that weren't brought up? not all, though ^^ zzz don't like threats
I'll be more specific - I'm talking about two things:
1 people that might at this stage be question marks
2 town reads that you might have to reconsider for any reason
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On July 11 2015 22:46 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why is a milo shot bad, anyway? There's no one really defending him so are we getting information by lynching him that we wouldn't by shooting him or?
It's entirely possible that I'm being dumb
He claimed DT, need to force him to out that second check. Also with other high profile blues and someone armed, I'm also living in a 2 RB world.
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On July 11 2015 22:48 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 22:28 Half the Sky wrote:
Vivax - scum lean
EBH - still null
BF - town lean - not memorable but struggles in scum hunting align with previous games.
Oats is a sparse poster I want to say town lean because he is clashing with everyone, in down under 2 he seemed to want to fly under the radar. (Not even considering carol since he really did jack all that game) I know he's not a big case poster but that's the overall impression I get from his posts. He's putting himself out there.
Scott is the other one I need to reread. And KSC I still need to recheck. lol 16 page filter "sparse poster". This game man.
That was probably a bad choice of words on my end. I'm referring to the fact you don't have a lot of content in your posts.
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On July 11 2015 22:53 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 22:52 Half the Sky wrote:On July 11 2015 22:46 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why is a milo shot bad, anyway? There's no one really defending him so are we getting information by lynching him that we wouldn't by shooting him or?
It's entirely possible that I'm being dumb He claimed DT, need to force him to out that second check. Also with other high profile blues and someone armed, I'm also living in a 2 RB world. so you basically think milo is town or you're living an a 2 RB world separate of his alignment?
Separate of his alignment.
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