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On July 09 2015 20:32 ruXxar wrote:
I only see two plays from a mafia milo,
Either he claims a green check and tries to survive, or he claims a red check to take one person down with him.
Claiming red and then rescinding is like the worst mafia play, now he gains nothing.
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On July 10 2015 22:25 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 22:19 marvellosity wrote:
my head out my ass? because i've treated you so unfairly this game or something?
god you're a whiner.
whine whine whine.
waaa waaa waaa boohohoohohohohohohhohoohohohooo world's smallest violin. christ. honestly? yes. like you ignored what i was saying in my post because i said you didn't read, after missing what i said in my previous post. i wasn't even being bitchy until you got nasty about it, i tried to explain it again which you're still ignoring ruxxar is pushing me for shit he can't possibly believe after our last game together he is pushing me for tonereads tonereads tonereads tonereads after last game. like this is what irritates me so much. how do i explain this any better than i have? what do i need to SAY for people to understand?
I'm sorry RS, but you're demonstrating time and time again that you're not understanding why I'm scum reading you.
It could be my fault for using ambiguous wording, but I'll try again because I don't want you to get upset over something that you misunderstood.
So let me make this as clear as I can:
I am not scum reading you for town reading trfel.
Your opinion of trel is absolutely irrelevant to my case.
My case against you is that you are disrupting people trying to pressure/question trfel.
That's it.
And in my post where I paraphrase your interaction with HF, I demonstrate how you did it not just once, but multiple times.
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As for the rest of the game, I feel like damdred and milo should be auto.
My would lynch list right now is:
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People closest to entering the lynch list is:
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My would not lynch list is :
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Harkon
Marv
LS
Oats
HTS
Holyflare
I can qualify if you want to know specifics.
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On July 10 2015 14:23 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 14:21 rsoultin wrote:On July 10 2015 13:29 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, you still think Holyflare is scum? lol truffle wuffle you're so silent this game :/ sorry i missed this post in everything else o.0 It turns out you answered it like 3 posts above, so... I've tried to talk to people a few times, but no one seems to want to talk to me at all. And I can't blame them, I don't really know anything XD I think I'm happy with a Damdred lynch today, and I'm comfortable with the associative milo109 scumread, and still scumreading Holyflare.
Trfel I need you to talk to me.
I know you are capable of so much more than you're doing right now.
I feel like you're just not really into this game, and I don't like that.
Can you give me your top 3 scumreads(outside of damdred/milo right now) and a short qualification of why?
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On July 10 2015 23:11 Harkon wrote:
Yep. Where is scott in all of this? Boxerfred?
Not sure if you were adressing me, but I'll give you my reads on them anyway.
So here's what I think of scott, BF and MZ
Scott:
I've played one game with him, i feel like he hasn't really deviated much from his play last game, where I thought he was mafia but turned out to be town.
Despite that i can't remember anything important that he's said or any big contributions which is a negative.
However his outbursts seem genuine enough to not make me want to lynch him right now.
Like, if you look at his posting from the opening post(before the game started) and throughout the whole game, I don't feel like his behavior has changed much.
Wouldn't be too sad about lynching him though.
Slightly above null.
BF:
I like boxerfred.
He really seems to be trying to figure out the game. Asks critical questions, not afraid of butting in and making his presence known.
On second thought, I'm not sure if he's actually trying to figure things out, or just digging for dirt to throw on people.
He has a bit of an aggressive tone, which i think is slightly mafia indicative, but usually that's when you only tunnel on one person.
I feel like he's been on everyone this game, which is a good sign.
He follows up people, and doesn't simply ask a question and let go. Not afraid to get into the trench with people.
He's re-evaluating people he formerly had on his scumlist after seeing their play evolve.
I don't know boxerfred meta, but I like how he's going about it.
Town read.
MZ:
I didn't like how he entered the thread, but I know how hard it is to come in after missing out on a whole day.
Despite that I like some of his logic and a lot of his reads line up with mine.
I need to watch this guy closer though. I think I'm kind of biased against him just because he came into the thread late.
Slight town lean.
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@LS:
Can you give me some reads on people? 3 town and 3 scum.
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On July 10 2015 19:12 Vivax wrote:
Feel free to give me a taste of the whip if I keep being lazy for too long.
Who's your top town / scum reads atm and why?
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On July 10 2015 23:44 Half the Sky wrote:
My null/need to re-evaluate list is oats, ruXxar (I'm seeing both town and scum tells), EBH (I cannot wrap my arms around him), vivax and Scott.
Of those people I have town on I could be wrong on Boxerfred (he's a lean but still) and Ras (as stated).
I know some have their doubts on KSC and Breske I think both are town.
So two in the Damdred/milo/rit, and absent the claims all had reason to question their gameplay.
MZ and HF would be 4 for me and 5th scum is someone in my re evaluate list.
HTS, what makes you think KSC and Breshke are town?
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On July 11 2015 00:13 Holyflare wrote:OK now that all the annoying people are out of the thread can someone talk to me about trfel, specifically his case on me when he returned at deadline on day 1: Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 05:17 Trfel wrote:
I need to leave soon, and I haven't caught up in the thread.
I see that milo109 claimed two-shot cop, and Holyflare claimed vigilante.
If it's between milo109 and ritoky, I think I lynch ritoky.
I don't want to lynch Half the Sky, but I also don't know why people are scumreading her?
Anyway, (very) short version of why Holyflare is scum:
Someone once said that Holyflare gets mad as town, but not as scum. This isn't really true, but Holyflare's tone seems to be a fairly good way of reading him.
For example, in Linux Mafia, Holyflare was mad at most people in the game and towards the end of Day 1 started throwing suspicion more wildly at everyone. His anger didn't really have justification. Contrast with Guardians of the Galaxy, where Holyflare and Alakaslam scumread each other early on. Despite Alakaslam being somewhat scummy (he always is, to some extent), Holyflare eventually agreed that Alakaslam could be town, despite objectively having little reason for it. And he didn't let his anger get in the way of scumhunting.
Here, Holyflare's felt way too angry, way too often. One example of this is that he was angry at me. If Holyflare is very confident that I am scum, he should be happy at having caught me, not angry at me for doing scummy things. It makes sense for him to be angry at townies who don't want to lynch me. However, Holyflare's posting didn't at all seem interested in showing people why I am mafia, but instead focused on pointless arguing with me. Holyflare knows when an argument isn't going anywhere, especially when it's with one of his scumreads. Holyflare has no problem filling the thread with nonsense and arguing with no goal in mind. Does this post align with what's happened this game? His comparisons are just based on anger but when he includes gameplay (such as guardians of the galaxy) he says i'm angry but i drop things despite objectively having no reason to. Yet, he should be able to see if he was reading the thread that i've done that several times (especially on him??) which should fit with stuff that he thinks is my town meta. Furthermore, it seems like his post doesn't even realise that I wasn't scum reading him anymore since it states stuff like "if he's so sure why is he treating me this way" but doesn't acknowledge that I'm not actually reading him that way any more. + Show Spoiler +I don't even know what i'm concluding from this but i'd like to know if he was actually caught up when writing this post because if he has this is pretty scummy.
I feel like Trfel has lost touch with the game. He even said it himself that he hasn't read the last 100 pages.
I think he just took the interaction from earlier, compared it to another game you've played and then made a case out of that without following the thread.
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Right now I feel like trfel is making a feeble attempt at appearing towny, while not really caring for the game at all.
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On July 11 2015 00:21 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
sure I can give a basic list of updated scumreads.
Damdred
milo
meapak
trfel
Kelsier
obi
in order of sureness. Breshke would be right under that at my most scummy null but I dropped off him a bit.
Explain your scumread on meapak.
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On July 11 2015 00:29 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 00:02 ruXxar wrote:
@LS:
Can you give me some reads on people? 3 town and 3 scum. Town: Marv: He been pretty happy this game and usually plays extremely lazy as scum. HTS: Miller claim plus her play matches up to her town meta. rsoultin: I going to have to use the rsoultin rule on this: If her and HF is doing a shitfest and they don't get along one of them is scum the other is town and I think she's town and her play is pretty similar to Linux just in a longer context :O Scum: Damdred: His early case on me is weird plus Geript tracked him to ritoky(I think if I reading the stuff correctly) who had claimed Cop. Milo: Most likely TMI'd the roleblocker stuff and his play been pretty scummy. Holyflare: See the rsoultin rule plus him getting mad at people for dumb points is very well in his scum meta.
Can you give some examples of dumb points he's getting mad at?
If you look outside damdred and milo who would you want to lynch after HF?
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On July 11 2015 00:34 marvellosity wrote:
what's the point ruxxar?
LS is effectively confirmed town right now.
I want to know what he thinks of the game. If he's picked up on something I might've overlooked.
Right now I'm reading HF town, which is why I'm curious of why he has a different opinion.
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Also, since he's "confirmed" town, then his opinion should hold slightly more weight since it's coming from an honest standpoint.
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Don't see why you'd think so.
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I'm not trying to determine LS's alignment.
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Nah, I just want to get his perspective on things.
He usually reads people by meta, so his approach to gathering reads is a bit different from mine.
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lol, i was about to read through your filter and just realized it's 24 pages long -_-.
On July 10 2015 23:12 marvellosity wrote:
more importantly, MZ. the big scummer.
Can you tell me why you think MZ is scum?
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I agree that I didn't like his entry into the thread.
I feel like he acted way too calm for someone that is about to be mis-lynched.
There was no sense of panic in his writing.
If you know you are town, then your priority should be to get the lynch over on anyone you think is less than 100% town and has a realistic chance of being a lynch target with majority vote.
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As for his treament of milo / ritoky, I actually agree with MZ on his apathy statement about milo.
I find the way that milo acted to be really weird throughout the game and especially after geript outed his tracking claim on damdred and his reaction to that.
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