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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 14 2015 16:44 GMT
#6561
Whoops, completely disregarded ls claim. My Bad. Town read. I dont think my list is terrible though. Its my opinion on people thats it. Besides the ls null read ofc, that One was plain bullshit.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 14 2015 16:46 GMT
#6563
On July 15 2015 01:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 01:18 Half the Sky wrote:
Some of the more divergent reads I can understand from BF. He's been fear reading me the whole game for instance and he doesn't know or wouldn't know WoS's play.

But how does he think LS is null when KP's verified that there is a gunsmith? He'd have to believe that LS and I are on a scumteam together for one thing and that the real gunsmith didn't claim....I mean, someone grab the tinfoil hat please....


As much as I want to kill him scum for that horrendous list, I think it's more likely bad town. Like how does scum post that list? I had a townread on him prior to the list so... guess I'll stick to it.

List is terrible tho.

Harsh bra
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 14 2015 16:48 GMT
#6565
On July 15 2015 01:46 ruXxar wrote:
@BF:
Can you qualify your scum-read of me?

Im on mobile so Not too well. I did a short explanation Not too long ago tho. Basically i feel like youre popping up, saying somrthing wishiwashy then back off. Not liking that. Not enough for "would instalynch " but enough for "will look carefully at "
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 14 2015 20:37 GMT
#6658
sheeping Harkon (hell do I use it correct now?) in terms of HF.

Stumbled across this:

On July 15 2015 04:33 Holyflare wrote:
+ if anyone actually shoots me today after i already said i'd be home and would be able to play next cycle instead of people like scott/obi etc is actually just mafia because there is not a chance that they shoot me as town if they are thinking logically, nobody in this game except trfel has made a case on me being mafia (and trfel's case i have already destroyed) so really they will shoot me under the guise of "oh yeh that hf and his shit fighting!" and it will be the easiest excuse that anyone as mafia can give but DO NOT BUY IT AT ALL. If they shoot me when there are actually crazy mafia lurkers about is literally telling you that they would rather lose this game if they are town than anything else

a smart person that thinks i'm mafia (apart from not being very smart and not having read my filter quite clearly) would save their bullet to reevaluate on me

I do not like such a long sentence constructing a reason around not shooting him at night. I mean I get the argument ("don't kill the biggest filter in game", amirite?) but this filter is stupidly unreadable. Sorry. I'm not buying it. Might be totally wrong on that but I take that risk. Please shoot him.

marv are you still not having a real grip on the game?

On July 15 2015 00:20 marvellosity wrote:
i hope whoever shoots has a better grasp than what i do.

*flounders*


that's really wondering me since by now we have a lot of stuff we can read into. lazy?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 14 2015 20:39 GMT
#6661
erm I think "wondering me" is actually bad english. Just looked it up - "I'm marvelled" since I feel like you're capable of having a grip on this game.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 14 2015 20:59 GMT
#6687
HF gonna be modkilled if that goes on. lots of ad hom.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 14 2015 21:01 GMT
#6689
On July 15 2015 06:00 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 05:59 boxerfred wrote:
HF gonna be modkilled if that goes on. lots of ad hom.


whenever you decide that it's best to post about someone that isn't me, I would like to know!

when you're dead I guess
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 14 2015 21:10 GMT
#6700
On July 15 2015 06:05 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think i ever ad hom in my mafia games ever


You do this game, in a subtle way. You're not saying "fuck you" but a lot of your posts have a subtext of "you're bad/stupid". Here:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 15 2015 05:56 Holyflare wrote:
lol jat you might be mad that such a great entity such as myself dislikes your style of play but that doesn't excuse you from actively trying to throw the game by refusing to participate with that player because you're in tears and stubborn


On July 15 2015 04:29 Holyflare wrote:
and ls' read is a pile of steaming poop, it's literally based on meta that we don't argue as town which is actually just not meta and rather me being placid and not disagreeing on something, of course if 2 ego's collide in differing opinions they will argue

+ she plays badly


On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd

:D :D :D :D :D

get gud guys


On July 15 2015 05:52 Holyflare wrote:
like is this really what a good player does?

"I think hf is mafia because x player plays like x as town and hf is misrepresenting him"

"no, that's not true! there's evidence in this game to say he's not playing like x! point out things that you think are similar to his town game and i'll counter it with evidence!"

"nah i'm done hf is mafia!"


....to just call the ones from your last 2 pages.



boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 14 2015 21:11 GMT
#6703
On July 15 2015 06:08 Holyflare wrote:
ls are you actually going to play this game or afk more and keep repeating the same thing?


On July 15 2015 04:52 Holyflare wrote:
anyway just gonna afk till the flip, remember if anyone shoots me they are confirmed mafia and do not ever ever let them talk themselves out of that

sheep clarity tbh his thoughts are pretty similar to me and his nulls are pretty interchangeable with his mafia list imo (don't lynch wave tbh)


You start bra.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 14 2015 21:11 GMT
#6704
On July 15 2015 06:11 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 06:10 boxerfred wrote:
On July 15 2015 06:05 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think i ever ad hom in my mafia games ever


You do this game, in a subtle way. You're not saying "fuck you" but a lot of your posts have a subtext of "you're bad/stupid". Here:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 15 2015 05:56 Holyflare wrote:
lol jat you might be mad that such a great entity such as myself dislikes your style of play but that doesn't excuse you from actively trying to throw the game by refusing to participate with that player because you're in tears and stubborn


On July 15 2015 04:29 Holyflare wrote:
and ls' read is a pile of steaming poop, it's literally based on meta that we don't argue as town which is actually just not meta and rather me being placid and not disagreeing on something, of course if 2 ego's collide in differing opinions they will argue

+ she plays badly


On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd

:D :D :D :D :D

get gud guys


On July 15 2015 05:52 Holyflare wrote:
like is this really what a good player does?

"I think hf is mafia because x player plays like x as town and hf is misrepresenting him"

"no, that's not true! there's evidence in this game to say he's not playing like x! point out things that you think are similar to his town game and i'll counter it with evidence!"

"nah i'm done hf is mafia!"


....to just call the ones from your last 2 pages.





yes i know i'm doing it in this game sherlock and i'm town

i'm saying as mafia i don't ad hom people


so first you're now going ad hom at me, second "mafia" can refer to the game and not only to games where you roll scum, watson.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 14 2015 21:14 GMT
#6708
On July 15 2015 06:13 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 06:11 boxerfred wrote:
On July 15 2015 06:11 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 06:10 boxerfred wrote:
On July 15 2015 06:05 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think i ever ad hom in my mafia games ever


You do this game, in a subtle way. You're not saying "fuck you" but a lot of your posts have a subtext of "you're bad/stupid". Here:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 15 2015 05:56 Holyflare wrote:
lol jat you might be mad that such a great entity such as myself dislikes your style of play but that doesn't excuse you from actively trying to throw the game by refusing to participate with that player because you're in tears and stubborn


On July 15 2015 04:29 Holyflare wrote:
and ls' read is a pile of steaming poop, it's literally based on meta that we don't argue as town which is actually just not meta and rather me being placid and not disagreeing on something, of course if 2 ego's collide in differing opinions they will argue

+ she plays badly


On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd

:D :D :D :D :D

get gud guys


On July 15 2015 05:52 Holyflare wrote:
like is this really what a good player does?

"I think hf is mafia because x player plays like x as town and hf is misrepresenting him"

"no, that's not true! there's evidence in this game to say he's not playing like x! point out things that you think are similar to his town game and i'll counter it with evidence!"

"nah i'm done hf is mafia!"


....to just call the ones from your last 2 pages.





yes i know i'm doing it in this game sherlock and i'm town

i'm saying as mafia i don't ad hom people


so first you're now going ad hom at me, second "mafia" can refer to the game and not only to games where you roll scum, watson.


yeh but i quite clearly wasn't implying i hadn't ad hom'd THIS game lol

either way irrelevant


No?

On July 15 2015 06:12 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 06:11 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 06:10 boxerfred wrote:
On July 15 2015 06:05 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think i ever ad hom in my mafia games ever


You do this game, in a subtle way. You're not saying "fuck you" but a lot of your posts have a subtext of "you're bad/stupid". Here:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 15 2015 05:56 Holyflare wrote:
lol jat you might be mad that such a great entity such as myself dislikes your style of play but that doesn't excuse you from actively trying to throw the game by refusing to participate with that player because you're in tears and stubborn


On July 15 2015 04:29 Holyflare wrote:
and ls' read is a pile of steaming poop, it's literally based on meta that we don't argue as town which is actually just not meta and rather me being placid and not disagreeing on something, of course if 2 ego's collide in differing opinions they will argue

+ she plays badly


On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd

:D :D :D :D :D

get gud guys


On July 15 2015 05:52 Holyflare wrote:
like is this really what a good player does?

"I think hf is mafia because x player plays like x as town and hf is misrepresenting him"

"no, that's not true! there's evidence in this game to say he's not playing like x! point out things that you think are similar to his town game and i'll counter it with evidence!"

"nah i'm done hf is mafia!"


....to just call the ones from your last 2 pages.





yes i know i'm doing it in this game sherlock and i'm town

i'm saying as mafia i don't ad hom people

You did as scum vs Fid who was the confirmed Mason with rsoultin at that game.

boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 14 2015 21:20 GMT
#6717
On July 15 2015 06:16 Holyflare wrote:
holy fucking crapsicles this is IRRELEVANT ANYWAY the point is obi is mafia and you're all just detracting that by proving an irrelevant point that doesn't exist. I think jat plays bad and his lack of interaction while calling me mafia proves that. You can shoot me 1000x over and that will just prove my opinion was in fact true and yes i'm a dick for saying it and i don't particularly care.

jat is also my wifom read of being mafia btw so if he survives the night, you know what my tin foil theory is!

Yes, it's poor. Capslock does not make you right in the slightest and does not shift any attention towards someone else. Why get so mad? I'm sure with your awesome reads you can easily make Harkon, LS and me think that you're town. Maybe you should stop the fighting and instead do what you asked Milo to do - actually provide thoughts, cases or anything that would make us read you town?

Or, you can react to my post with the same irrelevant, useless fight stuff that fills your filter quite a lot.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 14 2015 21:28 GMT
#6726
if marv doesn't die this night he's probably scum, yes?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 14 2015 21:29 GMT
#6730
On July 15 2015 06:29 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 06:28 boxerfred wrote:
if marv doesn't die this night he's probably scum, yes?

No. You can start worrying if he survives one more night after this one.

I just remember seeing him die quite early in the games I played with him and I think he flipped town every single time. People were even joking about it just like I did now.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 14 2015 21:30 GMT
#6731
On July 15 2015 06:29 ruXxar wrote:
Im thinking primary NK's are Marv, Harkon, LS, HF

You're counting town shots in that, or only scum kills?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 14 2015 21:30 GMT
#6732
ebwop: only possible scumkills.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 14 2015 21:33 GMT
#6735
I think you're a likely target if you're indeed town, too. At least I'd consider shooting you if I were scum.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 14 2015 21:59 GMT
#6764
On July 15 2015 06:56 ruXxar wrote:
So here's something I also am thinking about.

From what I saw from damdred it doesn't seem like mafia are actually hard-bussing each other(some say that he likes to do that, but for this exercise I'll assume he didn't)
Using that and some arbitrary measure of what I consider pushing hard / throwing shit at each other I'd say that these people aren't mafia together(either town/town or town/mafia):

HF + Rsoultin.
HF + Trfel.
HF + Obi.
HF + HTS.
HF + Harkon

Ruxx + Trfel.
Ruxx + Rsoultin.

Boxerfred + Clarity.
Boxerfred + Oats.

I might've missed some interactions but yeah.
Not sure if this is a valid line of thought, but I'm thinking that as more mafia flip we can see if this is a tendency that holds true or if they are all just playing individually separate of each other.

Since that list is concentrating on HF, you and me - is there anything particular you want to point out?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 14 2015 22:22 GMT
#6799
##vote HolyFlare
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 14 2015 23:57 GMT
#6837
HtS, were you the one who argued against my meta scum lean on Kelsier a few days ago? I said already that I had that feeling that KSC is not town based from my experience in Himalayas (or was it not themed, I always mix it up). Then I have that scum lean on HtS since I feel like she's pulling the same stuff she did in Himalayas: seemingly interacting in a town way while not commiting too much on something.

HtS, can you give your top scum reads and your top town reads?

Not sure about Clarity now since his "fuck you" towards HF's martyring felt really random. I don't understand that reaction at all. Willing to bus maybe? Can you please explain, Clarity?

Trfel made lots of efforts during the night. That was not necessary an I'm willing to give him town cred for that. Breshke pops up every now and then, not liking that.

After diving OWS, I town read him. Making sense, being consistent, pushing, bringing up old issues, lots and lots of reasons to not scumread him.

I dived Ruxxar since I remember that he townread Damdred as well as Kelsier pretty much day 1+2. He backed off of his KSC read however, without really needing to do so. There was not much pressure on KSC at all. Breshke said this too and he's not necessarily trusting Ruxxar yet which kind of makes me read him town.

Time to check who's alive and try to sort. The list I provided some hours ago was fastly written with a lot of subjective thoughts and almost no deep diving.

Town reads:
boxerfred
ObiWanShinobi (explained above)
LightningStrike (claimed blue, weaponsmith)

Town leans:
Breshke
ruXxar
Clarity_nl
Trfel (explained above)

Null:
Vivax (need to look into, I feel like he's popping up every now and then, drive-by posting, not liking that)
WaveofShadow (need to look into. Dropped off my radar.)
rsoultin (need to look into. Dropped off my radar.)

Scum leans:
Half The Sky (explained above)
Oatsmaster (almost a null read, need to look into)

Scum reads:
Holyflare (way too many posts that did not achieve much. posts are hard to read, harder to proof-read. I feel like there's a lot of derailing, spamming, now joined by martyring. since he got the reputation of a really sick player, I don't buy the martyring. Also, I feel like he's capable of pulling the VT claim. I want to make that high risk, high reward move of lynching him though he's got the biggest filter in the game. if nothing pops up over the day, my vote will most likely stay on him.)





I guess that's it for today. 2am here, good night people.

/discuss!



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