EPTOn July 09 2015 08:48 Clarity_nl wrote:
That's making the assumption marv was getting hit and palmar saved him
That's making the assumption marv was getting hit and palmar saved him
That is my world as well.
As for the milo/ritoky RB claims...
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That is my world as well. As for the milo/ritoky RB claims... | ||
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On July 09 2015 09:49 Breshke wrote: So if damdred is mafia does that mean milo is mafia? Or could there be two mafia RB with this many roles I'm not sure In a world where all claims are true.... we have tracker (geript), 1shot dt (rit), 2shot dt (milo), 2-shot JK (Damdred), 2-shot banisher (Palmar) ehhhhhh..... Honestly, I would say town are OP here even with 2 RBs now that I think of it. Even if Damdred is scum, and the rest of the claims are true, I'd say town are OP. I mean 3 investigative roles? | ||
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On July 09 2015 22:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Also having a JK and banisher seems really unlikely since they are very very similar roles. From a setup standpoint, I think it's just problematic in general that when scum have 2 default kp (esp night 1) that three KP-stopping roles are in play (I believe Harkon's claim and I had been toe reading him) I know marv you brought up disputing the "too many blue role" argument. The reason I brought that up is that even with limited use of PR power at what point does a 5-man mafia team become vulnerable to mass claiming? (And no assassin in this game) I know JAT brought that up in the Himalayas obs qt as a criticism of the Assassination game and if we were at a point in the game where - let's say all roles were true - boom now you have all these mass claims. IDK. But from a pure claim analysis standpoint, (yes I am considering individual behaviours and have and separately) but you just have to wonder at what point certain types of abilities (2kp < 3 prots?) (amount of information from 2 dts vs number of RBs, etc etc) start to not make sense. I realise it's all wifomy but I just wanted to get it out there - am I missing something? I have not used limited power roles (except Veteran) in my games and I know when I worked with (then cohost) BH on TL LXX he has talked about limited shot roles but to use then extensively I do not have the knowledge on balancing that out. If you or geript can comment on that it might help. | ||
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JK action N1, as Oats said should be a defensive one. I know in Himalayas, a scummer WAS JKed offensively but that individual (or I should say the original individual) was also likely mistakenly townread, that was more coincidence than intentional. But I feel that Damdred is exp enough he should know how to JK. | ||
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On July 09 2015 23:08 Breshke wrote: The way i see it we lynch damdred and hardon is around D3 or we lynch milo and either geript or ritoky is around D3 probably ritoky as he seems to be busy. Let's say in some "bizarro world" in geript's words, that Damdred flips JK. Absent Harkon's claim (and regardless of whom you think it is), do you have any behaviour related reason to scumread him? | ||
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Re HF - no change there, agreed with you and Hark. Agreed on the others.... For discussion on that 5th scummer.... MZ? Agreed on the comments said last night ritoky > milo, etc. Other low profile people? Vivax? Trfel (doubt it but wouldn't mind arguments)? BF? Scott? | ||
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On July 09 2015 23:28 LightningStrike wrote: That wasn't the point. The point was that either got lucky or they had felt like Palmar could of been blue or felt like he was a big enough threat(WTF) that he should of been night killed anyways. Also it kinda bugging me that HF is alive atm but maybe when Day 3 comes we could talk about HF. I think Ras suggested it but Harkon/Palmar kills suggest someone that knew could read them well (a "big" or I think she meant high-profile player) would suggest HF. I'd agree on this point. WIFOM yes, but it is very much in the realm of possibilities. Even absent this there is behavior-based support for scum HF here. | ||
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On July 09 2015 23:43 Damdred wrote: could have, he has a lack of suspicion towards ritoky, his first reaction start of day was a red check instead of questioning the claim on ritoky. He totally believes ritoky without any doubts and your claim as well, its a bit odd. On the other side his posts about how he wants to hard defend me are really strange and leave me feeling odd especially when in other posts he infers I am probably scum anyway? Its just strange and doesn't seem like any actions a cop would take also his reaction test bore nothing worth mentioning to us just called us donkeys Will ask you the same question I asked Breshke given the bolded. Absent the claim do you have any behavior based reason to scumread Harkon? | ||
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I mean in a world that Damdred is real JK and given the 3 prot argument I can see a doubt there but... | ||
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1 Exchange between Obi/him - His responses to Obi seem reasonably town, he doesn't care what OWS thinks, etc. Could be a slight town tell here. 2 Comments on Breshke - This I found REALLLLY tenuous On July 08 2015 23:52 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: [...] I also have this post as being particularly strange Honestly most of the time I see people "not like" townreads on them it is because they think its some sort of reverse psychology as mafia where you are diverting credit towards yourself and it makes you look cool. Actually it just looks like an empty post where you tell a guy "actually your town read is wrong lolz" I had to read this about 10x to figure out what he meant but I don't know why a scummer would want to draw attention to themselves like this. Breshke especially as scum is more aggressive to his scum reads (yeh yeh meta w/e) but even ignoring meta the responses Breshke gives are reasonable - for geript's standards for what we know (at that time) Breshke could understandably think that geript is giving an "easy" townread on him based on familiarity. I don't see why EBH is making a big deal out of nothing. That is of course if I'm understanding this right. 3 BM as wanderer - could come as either alignment 4 Milo not being scum - well roles here are limited shot so trying to clear milo off this is weak and I disagree that there were "limited red flags". Disagreeing alone doesn't make him scum but it's something to think about if he does flip scum. 5 The KSC/Breshke/OWS question - I guess given EBH filter it COULD make sense (if you look at his filter) but those three I ALSO have been townreading so that comment does strike me as weird. 6 Analysis on KP/Damdred - Not knowing who he is, his Damdred comments could be coming from either alignment. It's murky on my end but these are my thoughts. | ||
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On July 10 2015 00:05 Breshke wrote: Did you ask me if I scum read harkon HTS? If you did I missed it and if you did then I'm not really interested in considering him absent the claim because it's pointless. Maybe if it was a shitter like me then sure the person could be mafia because I could claim vet then just be left alive because I might say some alright stuff but I probably won't solve the game like that's what I could argue as scum but JAT can't really do that he either dies very soon or lives long enough to figure the game out. If we start lynching town after town and JAT is alive then I'll just vig shoot him Yes I did. But fair enough, I know what you meant. Now I'm off. | ||
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Most of the stuff I see on EBH I would have him as null - not knowing him - one potential caution is I don't know where he currently stands with these three he's mentioning nor is he pushing them much beyond mentioning them. KSC is falling off - he mentioned that n1 - granted it's hard to push someone not around Breshke/Obi - I already said about Breshke I don't think his argument is convincing, Obi I will put a dunce hat on post-game if he actually is scum. If he's dropped these folks, then besides the "vet" talk I don't know where he stands with potential scumreads. So again, nullish, but watch out. | ||
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Could Rasputin be scum? Possibly. I think she's more likely town atm. I know in Linux we had a similar situation where then scum HF and myself were pushing town Ras for not having reads or scumreads. But she pushed back the same way she did here because she lacked time she wasn't going to post shit for the sake of posting shit. So I feel that aspect of her game is within town boundaries. If she does jack all over the weekend I will have problems. In any case, I get what she's trying to say about ruXxar. But just even a few comments on other players would at least help guide town. She has a list of four, so that's a start. As for her not having reads or enough reads I think it's justified by a simple argument - inactive players aren't going to have great reads. As for the lack of time issue here's the way to solve her on that - she promised more stuff on the weekend. Chances of her being NKed are practically zero with all the claimed blues I would think. So she has her opportunity. I know Trfel is in school too from conversations I have had with him prior to and outside the game....but at the same time even a few comments from both of them would be grand on other players. Doesn't even need to be a case...is something jumping out? That's just a basic I have. If time is a problem just drive discussion forward on a couple of players town has as tossups. Wave I still think is town but input from him will be nice. That's how I think I'm going to start looking at some of these others though I can't figure out. The Damdred, milo/ritoky, MZ circle is more or less sorted and discussed. | ||
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If someone else did that I would have a bigger problem but it's LS. And as said before the role he claims is verifiable by extra kp or someone backing him up after the fact. If he is lying, I can think of certain questions that might catch him out but point is he's made himself solvable within a cycles time. | ||
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