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On June 11 2015 01:42 marvellosity wrote:ask yourself, you went through my filter and came to the town conclusion
nah it's not about this. I wanna know why jat thinks it.
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On June 11 2015 02:14 justanothertownie wrote:You will probably not like the reason. Ok, first of all he is putting in quite a bit of effort even though we lynched mafia day1 and it is his second consecutive scumgame. He could do that as scum but it is something. But more importantly the reason I scumread him early day1 can be explained by what he said about not being joyful as town. Dick move analysis says he would not try to convince me that this is the case with the argument that he wants to retire from playing mafia. I just do not think he would do that. If he did, fine. It will never work again. But I doubt it. And fortunately if we lynch his partner he will probably concede anyways - it will get easier to lynch him the longer he lives. So I do not concern myself too much with doubting him.
hmkay
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I actually think it's not too unlikely for marv and jat to be a scum tag team. They're both going for the easy target (me) and continue reading each other town. Especially JAT is not really doing huge cases, he's more following things other people say and keeping discussions running with oneliners.
On June 11 2015 02:14 justanothertownie wrote:You will probably not like the reason. Ok, first of all he is putting in quite a bit of effort even though we lynched mafia day1 and it is his second consecutive scumgame. He could do that as scum but it is something. But more importantly the reason I scumread him early day1 can be explained by what he said about not being joyful as town. Dick move analysis says he would not try to convince me that this is the case with the argument that he wants to retire from playing mafia. I just do not think he would do that. If he did, fine. It will never work again. But I doubt it. And fortunately if we lynch his partner he will probably concede anyways - it will get easier to lynch him the longer he lives. So I do not concern myself too much with doubting him.
This post is one of the seldom times where he really answers to a question. JAT, I didn't ask why you read him scum D1. Also, what brings you on the idea he'd concede that easy if his scum partner gets lynched? There are not too many people down yet and at this point, there's no pressure on him. That's quite the green read you're doing without having anything actually based on his filter.
On June 11 2015 02:15 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 02:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
well i suck at actual scumhunting, back to gut reads.
mig train choo choo Fuba and boxer will both have to go before I even consider lynching mig.
I understand wanting to lynch fuba first but since you said that you're not really sure if I'm scum or if my plays are just dumb/newbie/whatever I wonder what brings you to this. Also, Mig is one of the few guys that's actually pressuring you (or has been). Saying "he's doing rightfully so because it's a town effort" is a very charming move - if you'd be scum.
On June 10 2015 08:12 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 08:11 NaCl`y wrote:
No. Tomorrow we absolutely are lynching Fuba. You should not contest this lynch. Why the sudden confidence?
On June 10 2015 08:16 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 08:14 Half the Sky wrote:On June 10 2015 08:12 justanothertownie wrote:On June 10 2015 08:11 NaCl`y wrote:
No. Tomorrow we absolutely are lynching Fuba. You should not contest this lynch. Why the sudden confidence? JAT, look at pages 67-68. Confidence isn't sudden. Yeah, I just saw. Well, if I go with my personal opinion I could lynch Fuba in a heartbeat. I am just giving marv a little credit and he is calling him town :/
On June 10 2015 08:18 justanothertownie wrote:The point about the absolutes is definitely true.
Talk about following thread sentiment. I mean, this is quite weak to say because the arguments towards fuba are reasonable. Meta reads can be wrong though and in my opinion are not the strongest instruments to rely upon. This is not meant to be a defense of fuba but more a thing to point out that it is easy for pretty much everyone to agree on those points (well I do), for scum as well as for town.
On June 11 2015 03:29 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 03:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
wow 16 pages of one-liners. That's impressively annoying to read. Better than 16 pages of not-one-liners. Btw. it's nice and all that you are reading a filter/doing anything at all but what exactly is the point? Are you sad that I am scumreading you? If you are town it would be more productive to read the filter of someone that could actually be mafia.
This post strikes me a lot. While you rather disregard Mig's concerns about you (blabla, "rather lynch bf and fuba before talking about Mig", you react pissed to Fecalfeast's post, implying you're seriously fucking town. Do you see yourself as a confirmed town or what makes you so sure FF is gonna believe that you "could actually be" not "mafia"?
Let's go on:
On June 06 2015 07:35 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. If this is a harcclaim we are 100 % lynching artanis.
So you'll 100% lynch the guy who just claimed a vital town role? Because of the #sickPlays? I mean, there couldn't happen a better thing for scum to have the JK lynched D1. You seem to not care for that risk.
On June 06 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I also don't believe you thought scum would catch on to your ridiculous "crumb". You are not this bad.
Look, scum believed.
On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I fail to believe any mini game would be so utterly awful at that kind of balance. I am quite content to get lynched first for the trade. We don't know what roles scum have. I'm not quite as convinced as you, more so because I see little reason for you to fakeclaim as scum here. Then again, Toad did do it in LX or whatever so I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely. On June 06 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I also don't believe you thought scum would catch on to your ridiculous "crumb". You are not this bad. I actually figured you already figured it out when you kept talking about how bad I looked yet never voted or actually pushed me. I don't doubt that a 3-player scumteam would figure it out themselves. Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me.Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:40 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:38 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:35 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. If this is a harcclaim we are 100 % lynching artanis. care to explain? I'm all ears. There are never both jk and doctor in the game. If the salty guy hardclaims we are lynching the shit out of artanis. In the worst case he trades 1:1 with mafia NaCl. So you're banking on lynching claims in a closed setup?Yeah, no. Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER.
Bro, I did. However, the second bolded part strikes me. This really looks like a genuine discussion between scum yamato and not-scum JAT. Was that orchestrated? I imagine this scenario:
1. Artanis claims JK.
2. scum qt discusses if it's a true claim or not
3. CC of Salty happens
4. scum qt goes a bit nuts and starts discussing about who to lynch
5. they decide to take those discussions to the public since it would be quite the ruse to cover up the connection between them.
Hm. Feels constructed, even to me. But if not, it's really a sick play. #tinfoilhat.
On June 06 2015 07:44 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I fail to believe any mini game would be so utterly awful at that kind of balance. I am quite content to get lynched first for the trade. We don't know what roles scum have. I'm not quite as convinced as you, more so because I see little reason for you to fakeclaim as scum here. Then again, Toad did do it in LX or whatever so I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely. On June 06 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I also don't believe you thought scum would catch on to your ridiculous "crumb". You are not this bad. I actually figured you already figured it out when you kept talking about how bad I looked yet never voted or actually pushed me. I don't doubt that a 3-player scumteam would figure it out themselves. Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me. On June 06 2015 07:40 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:38 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:35 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. If this is a harcclaim we are 100 % lynching artanis. care to explain? I'm all ears. There are never both jk and doctor in the game. If the salty guy hardclaims we are lynching the shit out of artanis. In the worst case he trades 1:1 with mafia NaCl. So you're banking on lynching claims in a closed setup? Yeah, no. Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. How does lock and jail not make sense together? When marv pointed it out so strongly I figured it was obvious. Why would you ever think that? Why would he ever point that out if he really thinks that? As town he would never point it out if he thinks it is a crumb. As scum he would also never do it and instead just kill you.
First sentence: subtle scum read on marv. Second sentence: subtle town read on marv. Given that your filter is consisting of 95% oneliners, that's another indicator of you not commiting too much on anything. Even your first D1 vote (on Artanis) isn't an unsafe one.
On June 06 2015 08:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, tell me:
1) Why would scum NaCl counterclaim if they can shoot town artanis in the night?
2) How on earth does Artanis play make sense from a town pov? Do you think he is usually a pretty stupid guy?
You REALLY wanted to get him lynched, eh? Even voting him.
On June 06 2015 10:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Going to bed. Anyone who is even considering not lynching Artanis has to explain all this:
First of all you have to explain why NaCl is scum because there is no way there are 2 protective roles in a 10 vs 3 setup with 1 mafia KP and normal roles but EVEN IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ON ITS OWN and you think for some reason it is possible to have a JK AND a doctor in the same game:
The situation is the following - you are Artanis a pretty good and experienced town player and you happened to role JK. Halfway into day1 nothing much happened so far and all of a sudden marvellosity who you townread and who you think is a really good player is attacking and voting you. You played a lot of games together. Do you either try to convince him that you are town/play the game or immediately feel the need to claim?
The answer is even if Artanis thinks he will potentially get lynched he will never claim his really powerful role without trying to avert the lynch otherwise before (and his stats show that he is really good at not being mislynched).
On the other hand if you are scum Artanis then you might think to yourself - "I will probably not be able to avoid being lynched" for whatever reason (maybe because town marvellosity set his sights on you). Artanis had some really weak scumgames. In THAT CASE claiming JK is pretty good. If noone counterclaims you will survive AT LEAST a day and be able to push an agenda. If you get counterclaimed you outed a really important role (if scum has a vigi getting rid of our protective role basically means they need one less mislynch for example) and in the worst case you just still get lynched. Maybe you even survive because people are idiots.
So town Artanis obviously did not claim because of being afraid. So why would he?
Artanis says he claimed because he thought he was outed by a dumb breadcrumb (which I think is HIGHLY unbelievable itself) he did which marv put emphasis on. So what do you do in this situation?
The answer is you never ever ever claim right away. What does town get from your outing? Nothing. If you think you absolutely need to claim for whatever reason you can still claim during the end of the night to avoid getting shot if scum happen to not know about you. By claiming you are destroying any chance of them not knowing for no real benefit.
If Artanis is town he acted incredibly stupid to a degree that is absolutely insane. I refuse to believe this and that he would not put any thought in how to play as one of towns most important and strong roles. The likelihood of him being mafia is much much higher. Add to this the claim by NaCl and we will absolutely lynch Artanis today.
Here you explain it. First sentence: what makes you so sure that NaCl's claim is a true one? That is a slight TMI call to me. You hide it nicely, talking about setup speculation which at this point is likely to keep everyone busy. However while you strongly doubt Artanis' claim, you don't put a second thought onto NaCl's claim being a fake one. Why not? Why are you so sure that his claim is real? Does it make that much sense for a Doctor to claim D1, even if Artanis' claim was fake for real (which is something that salty could not know). You're experienced, why didn't you identify that CC just as a play to test the waters (hell even I did that)?
Next you say, "the situation is the following". Holy hell it's D1 and you cannot possibly know what drives people to do what they do. Yet you construct a theory that is terribly wrong. Next bolded part: "Artanis had weak scum games in the past. Now he's pulling an absolutely sick move!" How does that make sense? Like: "meta says Artanis sucks as scum but I'm sure he's rocking it this time!"
On June 06 2015 19:52 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 14:04 Alakaslam wrote:On June 06 2015 10:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Going to bed. Anyone who is even considering not lynching Artanis has to explain all this:
First of all you have to explain why NaCl is scum because there is no way there are 2 protective roles in a 10 vs 3 setup with 1 mafia KP and normal roles but EVEN IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ON ITS OWN and you think for some reason it is possible to have a JK AND a doctor in the same game:
The situation is the following - you are Artanis a pretty good and experienced town player and you happened to role JK. Halfway into day1 nothing much happened so far and all of a sudden marvellosity who you townread and who you think is a really good player is attacking and voting you. You played a lot of games together. Do you either try to convince him that you are town/play the game or immediately feel the need to claim?
The answer is even if Artanis thinks he will potentially get lynched he will never claim his really powerful role without trying to avert the lynch otherwise before (and his stats show that he is really good at not being mislynched).
On the other hand if you are scum Artanis then you might think to yourself - "I will probably not be able to avoid being lynched" for whatever reason (maybe because town marvellosity set his sights on you). Artanis had some really weak scumgames. In THAT CASE claiming JK is pretty good. If noone counterclaims you will survive AT LEAST a day and be able to push an agenda. If you get counterclaimed you outed a really important role (if scum has a vigi getting rid of our protective role basically means they need one less mislynch for example) and in the worst case you just still get lynched. Maybe you even survive because people are idiots.
So town Artanis obviously did not claim because of being afraid. So why would he?
Artanis says he claimed because he thought he was outed by a dumb breadcrumb (which I think is HIGHLY unbelievable itself) he did which marv put emphasis on. So what do you do in this situation?
The answer is you never ever ever claim right away. What does town get from your outing? Nothing. If you think you absolutely need to claim for whatever reason you can still claim during the end of the night to avoid getting shot if scum happen to not know about you. By claiming you are destroying any chance of them not knowing for no real benefit.
If Artanis is town he acted incredibly stupid to a degree that is absolutely insane. I refuse to believe this and that he would not put any thought in how to play as one of towns most important and strong roles. The likelihood of him being mafia is much much higher. Add to this the claim by NaCl and we will absolutely lynch Artanis today. I don't have to explain shit to youI do as I damn well please Yes, you actually have to. If you are town and want to win that is. I am town and I WILL lynch artanis today. So if you have reason to think he isctown you need to tell them. If you do not have a reason like that/if you cannot refute my case on artanis there is no excuse for voting anyone else.
Are you serious? You so often did not answer raised questions. You're not following your own town guidelines.
On June 07 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:
##Unvote
Yes, marv might be mafia. Gonna read you yamato bit now.
lel. Strongly going on Artanis, weak scum read on marv, boom switch into yamato (note, only announcing "to read a bit" not putting much pressure) after a huge case by Salty was done. Not too eager on following that case huh.
C'mon, this is just D1. I'm on page 4 of his filter now. Gonna come back to it later.
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On June 11 2015 04:10 marvellosity wrote:
how does any of this commentary make him mafia exactly?
Shame you don't see it.
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On June 11 2015 04:14 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:11 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 04:10 marvellosity wrote:
how does any of this commentary make him mafia exactly? Shame you don't see it. I mean this in all seriousness, and not as a criticism of you, so please take it in the spirit it's intended (we'll assume you're town for now) when you talk about someone, you need to be clear/concise about how what you're saying is more likely to come from a mafia perspective than a town perspective this isn't the first time you've done this - you just comment on a series of posts and you create your own narrative. Well, I (and also most other players in this game) can easily provide you with an alternative narrative. A better case structure is as follows: 1. jat does this thing (1 or 2 quotes as evidence) 2. here's why it makes sense from a mafia perspective 3. here's why i don't think it's the town perspective 4. conclusion
1. jat does only oneliners, has a huge misread on Artanis which I don't think would come from such an experienced player.
2. jat does a TMI-ish call on NaCl (yamato got hanged for a similar one on artanis)
3. a filter of oneliners is not townish
4. thus he's scummy
On June 11 2015 04:20 Half the Sky wrote:
BF, two major flaws in your case offhand.
1 The one-liner thing is not a valid argument. First JAT does that as both alignments. Second if you don't trust what I, or anyone else, says there on JAT, case building is not the only way to go about doing things, most people on this forum generally prefer conversational approach to scumhunting, some people find it easier to detect scumtells in conversation. There are some people like Damdred, Trfel, Tictock, myself, ritoky to a lesser extent that do go the case route, but to be a truly masterful mafia player on this site, you should know how to work both conversationally and via case route.
2 A number of those points about the Artanis claim are similar to what Mig tried to do when scumreading JAT and I shot just about everything down. There are honest reasons to doubt a claim and I can tell you haven't looked into those.
ad 1: this is not a meta read but a "he's not very townie in the majority of his posts". note that "not very townie != scummy"
ad 2: okay I can get that, but what about my TMI argument on NaCl's claim? The bolded part?
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On June 11 2015 04:14 justanothertownie wrote:
That boxerfred post is so remarkably shit that I consider lynching him over fuba.
You have my vote. And my axe.
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On June 11 2015 04:23 justanothertownie wrote:
I won't even adress most of this bullshit because it is pretty obvious how wrong the whole narrative is but what really sticks out to me is how BF says "it was clear that NaCl was just testing the waters with his cc - even I saw it". Where on earth does this shit come from? Even if this wasn't incredibly wrong in the first place I was his TOP townread before for exactly the reason that I went at Artanis/for the claim analysis thing. It doesn't make ANY sense.
Are you so pissed you aren't anymore?
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On June 11 2015 04:27 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:07 boxerfred wrote:
Here you explain it. First sentence: what makes you so sure that NaCl's claim is a true one? That is a slight TMI call to me. You hide it nicely, talking about setup speculation which at this point is likely to keep everyone busy. However while you strongly doubt Artanis' claim, you don't put a second thought onto NaCl's claim being a fake one. Why not? Why are you so sure that his claim is real? Does it make that much sense for a Doctor to claim D1, even if Artanis' claim was fake for real (which is something that salty could not know). You're experienced, why didn't you identify that CC just as a play to test the waters (hell even I did that)?
Next you say, "the situation is the following". Holy hell it's D1 and you cannot possibly know what drives people to do what they do. Yet you construct a theory that is terribly wrong. Next bolded part: "Artanis had weak scum games in the past. Now he's pulling an absolutely sick move!" How does that make sense? Like: "meta says Artanis sucks as scum but I'm sure he's rocking it this time!"
This whole part makes no fucking sense with how boxerfred played day1. It does not compute.
Yeah feels like I did what I said I'd do: post not so often but put more effort in my posts and think things out. Keep on not answering. You're my top vote by now.
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On June 11 2015 04:36 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:32 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 04:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:07 boxerfred wrote:
Here you explain it. First sentence: what makes you so sure that NaCl's claim is a true one? That is a slight TMI call to me. You hide it nicely, talking about setup speculation which at this point is likely to keep everyone busy. However while you strongly doubt Artanis' claim, you don't put a second thought onto NaCl's claim being a fake one. Why not? Why are you so sure that his claim is real? Does it make that much sense for a Doctor to claim D1, even if Artanis' claim was fake for real (which is something that salty could not know). You're experienced, why didn't you identify that CC just as a play to test the waters (hell even I did that)?
Next you say, "the situation is the following". Holy hell it's D1 and you cannot possibly know what drives people to do what they do. Yet you construct a theory that is terribly wrong. Next bolded part: "Artanis had weak scum games in the past. Now he's pulling an absolutely sick move!" How does that make sense? Like: "meta says Artanis sucks as scum but I'm sure he's rocking it this time!"
This whole part makes no fucking sense with how boxerfred played day1. It does not compute. Yeah feels like I did what I said I'd do: post not so often but put more effort in my posts and think things out. Keep on not answering. You're my top vote by now. I don't care in the slightest. I am never getting lynched this game. You on the other hand just volunteered to be hanged day3.
Cool so people can lynch you when I flip VT 
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On June 11 2015 04:46 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:46 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 04:36 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:32 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 04:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:07 boxerfred wrote:
Here you explain it. First sentence: what makes you so sure that NaCl's claim is a true one? That is a slight TMI call to me. You hide it nicely, talking about setup speculation which at this point is likely to keep everyone busy. However while you strongly doubt Artanis' claim, you don't put a second thought onto NaCl's claim being a fake one. Why not? Why are you so sure that his claim is real? Does it make that much sense for a Doctor to claim D1, even if Artanis' claim was fake for real (which is something that salty could not know). You're experienced, why didn't you identify that CC just as a play to test the waters (hell even I did that)?
Next you say, "the situation is the following". Holy hell it's D1 and you cannot possibly know what drives people to do what they do. Yet you construct a theory that is terribly wrong. Next bolded part: "Artanis had weak scum games in the past. Now he's pulling an absolutely sick move!" How does that make sense? Like: "meta says Artanis sucks as scum but I'm sure he's rocking it this time!"
This whole part makes no fucking sense with how boxerfred played day1. It does not compute. Yeah feels like I did what I said I'd do: post not so often but put more effort in my posts and think things out. Keep on not answering. You're my top vote by now. I don't care in the slightest. I am never getting lynched this game. You on the other hand just volunteered to be hanged day3. Cool so people can lynch you when I flip VT I am sorry to disappoint you but that is not how this works 
No you're not
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On June 11 2015 05:07 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 05:02 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 04:46 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:46 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 04:36 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:32 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 04:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:07 boxerfred wrote:
Here you explain it. First sentence: what makes you so sure that NaCl's claim is a true one? That is a slight TMI call to me. You hide it nicely, talking about setup speculation which at this point is likely to keep everyone busy. However while you strongly doubt Artanis' claim, you don't put a second thought onto NaCl's claim being a fake one. Why not? Why are you so sure that his claim is real? Does it make that much sense for a Doctor to claim D1, even if Artanis' claim was fake for real (which is something that salty could not know). You're experienced, why didn't you identify that CC just as a play to test the waters (hell even I did that)?
Next you say, "the situation is the following". Holy hell it's D1 and you cannot possibly know what drives people to do what they do. Yet you construct a theory that is terribly wrong. Next bolded part: "Artanis had weak scum games in the past. Now he's pulling an absolutely sick move!" How does that make sense? Like: "meta says Artanis sucks as scum but I'm sure he's rocking it this time!"
This whole part makes no fucking sense with how boxerfred played day1. It does not compute. Yeah feels like I did what I said I'd do: post not so often but put more effort in my posts and think things out. Keep on not answering. You're my top vote by now. I don't care in the slightest. I am never getting lynched this game. You on the other hand just volunteered to be hanged day3. Cool so people can lynch you when I flip VT I am sorry to disappoint you but that is not how this works No you're not You got me - I am not. But if you get lynched and happen to be incredibly wrong town instead of scum then I will never get lynched for that.
If you turn out to be scum after the game I'll make you all remember that moment
well if not you'll make me remember I guess
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##vote JAT
I'm not even gonna defend myself, I played so bad.
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On June 11 2015 17:59 justanothertownie wrote:
If we lynch through this list:
Boxerfred, (Fuba), Mig
the game might be won already.
Haha no
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On June 11 2015 18:44 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 18:43 Mig wrote:
It sounds to me like you aren't actually trying to consider whether I am town at all. You are not giving me any reason to consider that.
Haha you don't give reasons yourself. All you say to raised things is basically "LEL SO STUHPIT"
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On June 11 2015 09:46 NaCl`y wrote:Rest in peace, dear marvellosity! ##vote boxerfredI know I made a lot of posts on Fuba being mafia and honestly he probably still is mafia! There is now someone else that I have a greater passion for lynching. Boxerfred. This is because of quite a few reasons and all of them are backed up simply by reading the game so I'll make this short and quoteless due to a lack of time.
Day 1: Boxerfred's play can be summarised on day 1 as simply going from clueless and spreading feelers in directions (such as on yamato briefly etc) to full on try hard and associative based on Yamato77 flipping mafia before he actually has (most damning). He also says Justanothertownie is his top town read going into night 1 for his reaction to the Artanis[Xp] situation etc. I feel like this was a disingenuous flip of "ability" to read people that simply didn't fit with his earlier playstyle. It conveniently kicked in when it was decided Yamato77 was the lynch anyway.
Day 2: Boxerfred meekly pushes VayneAuthority and is quite happy to use any excuse whatsoever to just disappear from it when provided with little evidence: Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 19:33 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 19:31 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2015 19:29 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 19:28 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 19:27 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 19:23 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2015 19:22 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 19:21 marvellosity wrote:
the *point* is that you made the point about Chez *because* I questioned you on Vayne, so you turned it around to people talking or backing off Chez
one caused the other No. I did not make a point. I simply wrote about a fucking filter observation not coming to any conclusion or point. I came to that conclusion when you asked your questions 2 minutes ago. stop reading stuff into my posts that is not there. You made the fucking point to deflect off me questioning you on Vayne I don't see any reason to unvote someone who is not replying to pressure. Like, you all went on the Chez train because "oh he's not here" and now that he's here you start saying "nah he doesn't look so scummy anyways". I might do the same depending on his replies but as long as there are no replies, well why should I change my stance? "why would I unvote Vayne? Here! Look at what you guys are doing with Chez!" that was precisely your defence here. What the fuck. So I explained thoroughly why I am voting Vayne. Of course I am showing what you guys are doing on Chez since I feel like noone even cares to look at my points on Vayne. Did you even check my points on Vayne by now? No? Cool shit. I distinctly remember telling you that VA doing jackshit does not make him scum and that he tends to not give a fuck as town. I distinctly remember that I played one game of Mafia thus far here and can't tell if you're right. + Show Spoiler [VayneAuthority] +5 minutes of your time to confirm/deny jat Wow, such small filters. ##unvote Yes, it's a quote. I lied earlier. He then jumps on Chezinu because it was what everyone else was doing. Suddenly, Boxerfred makes a big case on Justanothertownie being mafia which contained all of the posts that Boxerfred said made Justanothertownie his top town on day 1. Note earlier when he dropped his VayneAuthority read based on people giving evidence to the opposite? Now this is not the case for Justanothertownie. Unfortunately I can't finish this due to time, will continue later.
Look that's a solid town post, JAT, not the bullshit you're producing on the daily basis. I'd follow this case any day. It's a shame I played so dumb because I don't see me surviving this day anyway. However, JAT, look at such posts. They are towny. Your posts simply aren't, they are uncommiting rubbish. All the way down your filter. You're actively spitting out bullshit post after bullshit post.
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On June 11 2015 19:24 justanothertownie wrote:
And I have no intention of being nice to you if you are pushing on me as scum or if you are being an idiot as town which are the only 2 possible worlds right now.
How about you do something productive instead and tell me why we should not lynch boxerfred? You seem to just ignore him and his wagon entirely.
wait wait wait I thought we lynch me eh? You said "WE ARE GOING TO LYNCH YOU DAY THREE" and now you want to hear reasons on why not to vote me? Haha sure bro start committing to something already -.- you're boring.
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On June 11 2015 19:26 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 19:25 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 09:46 NaCl`y wrote:Rest in peace, dear marvellosity! ##vote boxerfredI know I made a lot of posts on Fuba being mafia and honestly he probably still is mafia! There is now someone else that I have a greater passion for lynching. Boxerfred. This is because of quite a few reasons and all of them are backed up simply by reading the game so I'll make this short and quoteless due to a lack of time.
Day 1: Boxerfred's play can be summarised on day 1 as simply going from clueless and spreading feelers in directions (such as on yamato briefly etc) to full on try hard and associative based on Yamato77 flipping mafia before he actually has (most damning). He also says Justanothertownie is his top town read going into night 1 for his reaction to the Artanis[Xp] situation etc. I feel like this was a disingenuous flip of "ability" to read people that simply didn't fit with his earlier playstyle. It conveniently kicked in when it was decided Yamato77 was the lynch anyway.
Day 2: Boxerfred meekly pushes VayneAuthority and is quite happy to use any excuse whatsoever to just disappear from it when provided with little evidence: On June 09 2015 19:33 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 19:31 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2015 19:29 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 19:28 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 19:27 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 19:23 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2015 19:22 boxerfred wrote:
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No. I did not make a point. I simply wrote about a fucking filter observation not coming to any conclusion or point. I came to that conclusion when you asked your questions 2 minutes ago. stop reading stuff into my posts that is not there. You made the fucking point to deflect off me questioning you on Vayne I don't see any reason to unvote someone who is not replying to pressure. Like, you all went on the Chez train because "oh he's not here" and now that he's here you start saying "nah he doesn't look so scummy anyways". I might do the same depending on his replies but as long as there are no replies, well why should I change my stance? "why would I unvote Vayne? Here! Look at what you guys are doing with Chez!" that was precisely your defence here. What the fuck. So I explained thoroughly why I am voting Vayne. Of course I am showing what you guys are doing on Chez since I feel like noone even cares to look at my points on Vayne. Did you even check my points on Vayne by now? No? Cool shit. I distinctly remember telling you that VA doing jackshit does not make him scum and that he tends to not give a fuck as town. I distinctly remember that I played one game of Mafia thus far here and can't tell if you're right. + Show Spoiler [VayneAuthority] +5 minutes of your time to confirm/deny jat Wow, such small filters. ##unvote Yes, it's a quote. I lied earlier. He then jumps on Chezinu because it was what everyone else was doing. Suddenly, Boxerfred makes a big case on Justanothertownie being mafia which contained all of the posts that Boxerfred said made Justanothertownie his top town on day 1. Note earlier when he dropped his VayneAuthority read based on people giving evidence to the opposite? Now this is not the case for Justanothertownie. Unfortunately I can't finish this due to time, will continue later. Look that's a solid town post, JAT, not the bullshit you're producing on the daily basis. I'd follow this case any day. It's a shame I played so dumb because I don't see me surviving this day anyway. However, JAT, look at such posts. They are towny. Your posts simply aren't, they are uncommiting rubbish. All the way down your filter. You're actively spitting out bullshit post after bullshit post. It is funny that you are trying to educate your SCUMREAD how to play TOWN better.
Haha no I'm just saying (in a rather obvious way, like, it's written there) that your so-called town posts that make you feel like you are a CONFIRMED TOWN (your words mate) are just bullshit. Like, hardcore uncommitting bullshit. Posting such a whole lot of stuff, it's impossible to find anything of value in that. The only valuable thing that I thought was a good thing was your Artanis post and I have explained already why that post is not really towny anymore.
Bro you're scum.
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On June 11 2015 19:27 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 19:26 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 19:24 justanothertownie wrote:
And I have no intention of being nice to you if you are pushing on me as scum or if you are being an idiot as town which are the only 2 possible worlds right now.
How about you do something productive instead and tell me why we should not lynch boxerfred? You seem to just ignore him and his wagon entirely. wait wait wait I thought we lynch me eh? You said "WE ARE GOING TO LYNCH YOU DAY THREE" and now you want to hear reasons on why not to vote me? Haha sure bro start committing to something already -.- you're boring. Are you dense? I want to know why mig does not want to lynch you. That in no way means that I do not want to lynch you. my vote on you should indicate as much.
Haha so fucking what? I wanted to know a lot from you, you don't care, you don't commit. I want you lynched. Badly. Get over it and keep on insulting, at this point I'm just laughing on the frustration you're trying to cause.
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On June 11 2015 19:24 justanothertownie wrote:
And I have no intention of being nice to you if you are pushing on me as scum or if you are being an idiot as town which are the only 2 possible worlds right now.
How about you do something productive instead and tell me why we should not lynch boxerfred? You seem to just ignore him and his wagon entirely.
So WHAT EXACTLY MAKES YOU CONFIRMED TOWN BRO I asked that before and ask it again. Can't see it and as long as you don't care to explain, I don't see why you should go through with "YOU'RE SCUM OR DUMB TOWN" train you're pulling on everyone.
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##unvote haha here's step 1 ....
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