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Returning to BF now - D1 read on you to D2. If the below is true that wouldn't be logical for a new player, heck, experienced players miss reaction tests all the time.
On June 11 2015 21:33 justanothertownie wrote:
You will have a hard time finding a "why". He townreads me for the Artanis post and because there is "Nothing scummy about me". Later he scumreads me for the same fucking post and for using oneliners like I have all game. And because an "experienced player like me" did not immediately read NaCl cc as a reaction test because "even he knew that" which is fucking ridiculous.
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BF...there are two scum remaining. Besides JAT, who else do you think is scum and why?
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On June 11 2015 22:21 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 22:11 Half the Sky wrote:
BF...there are two scum remaining. Besides JAT, who else do you think is scum and why? I have no idea. I have the impression that there are some thigns on fuba but I need to go back in the thread and find out if they stand. Also if JAT flips green, Mig is likely to be scum and me too of course. I know I won't flip red anytime soon which brings me to Mig. On the other hand I feel like his points are rather genuine. :/ Also Vayne is afk I hate this
Vayne is afk, right, but do you have anything from your perspective on what he has posted?
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On June 11 2015 22:21 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 22:11 Half the Sky wrote:
BF...there are two scum remaining. Besides JAT, who else do you think is scum and why? I have no idea. I have the impression that there are some thigns on fuba but I need to go back in the thread and find out if they stand. Also if JAT flips green, Mig is likely to be scum and me too of course. I know I won't flip red anytime soon which brings me to Mig. On the other hand I feel like his points are rather genuine. :/ Also Vayne is afk I hate this
What makes you think Mig is scum when he's voting your top scumread? You say "on the other hand.....genuine" but you have some potential reason for scumreading Mig. You're scumreading JAT, you don't know he's green one way or another, so what in JAT's flip according to you makes Mig mafia?
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On June 11 2015 22:33 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 22:29 Half the Sky wrote:On June 11 2015 22:21 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 22:11 Half the Sky wrote:
BF...there are two scum remaining. Besides JAT, who else do you think is scum and why? I have no idea. I have the impression that there are some thigns on fuba but I need to go back in the thread and find out if they stand. Also if JAT flips green, Mig is likely to be scum and me too of course. I know I won't flip red anytime soon which brings me to Mig. On the other hand I feel like his points are rather genuine. :/ Also Vayne is afk I hate this Vayne is afk, right, but do you have anything from your perspective on what he has posted? yep I built a case on him before already, just check my filter, should be at beginning of D2 or so
Nothing's changed since then?
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On June 11 2015 22:41 boxerfred wrote:
did he pop up or what?
You voted JAT right after he did and he queried you on it.
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On June 11 2015 22:44 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 22:43 Half the Sky wrote:On June 11 2015 22:41 boxerfred wrote:
did he pop up or what? You voted JAT right after he did and he queried you on it. Wait, what? VA never voted me.
That was in reference to Mig. Unless I misunderstood BF, I thought BF meant Mig.
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On June 11 2015 22:47 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 22:44 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 22:43 Half the Sky wrote:On June 11 2015 22:41 boxerfred wrote:
did he pop up or what? You voted JAT right after he did and he queried you on it. Wait, what? VA never voted me. That was in reference to Mig. Unless I misunderstood BF, I thought BF meant Mig.
Wait hold on. Scratch that. I see where the misunderstanding is since I'm asking you about two people at once. Let me rephrase, re: Mig I see you already answered that question.
Re: Vayne, yes, I asked you whether your opinion's changed and yes he's popped in again, last thing I recall him saying "Mig train choo choo" or something like that.
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On June 11 2015 22:54 boxerfred wrote:Show me your arguments, show me your cases, show me awesome posts that actually contribute and are not useless. Show me, show me, show me, I cannot find them. Until you do so, you have my vote and no more answers. 
I said this yesterday - players on this forum communicate both in case and in conversation format. Oneliners alone do not make someone scum. If JAT is scum it's not for his method of communication.
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On June 11 2015 22:43 boxerfred wrote:
Okay so my scenarios are basically:
1. JAT = scum, Mig = town
2. Mig = scum, JAT = town
I believe the first scenario is true. If it isn't thought, i'd test mig's waters. But since JAT is behaving like an ass, I'm fine with yoloing him anyways
I'm confused on this progression. What would you be testing if JAT flipped green? Especially since you said before
On June 11 2015 22:21 boxerfred wrote:
I have no idea. I have the impression that there are some thigns on fuba but I need to go back in the thread and find out if they stand. Also if JAT flips green, Mig is likely to be scum and me too of course. I know I won't flip red anytime soon which brings me to Mig. On the other hand I feel like his points are rather genuine. :/
At least from this you're sure they can't be the same alignment.
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On June 11 2015 22:21 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 22:11 Half the Sky wrote:
BF...there are two scum remaining. Besides JAT, who else do you think is scum and why? I have no idea. I have the impression that there are some thigns on fuba but I need to go back in the thread and find out if they stand. Also if JAT flips green, Mig is likely to be scum and me too of course. I know I won't flip red anytime soon which brings me to Mig. On the other hand I feel like his points are rather genuine. :/ Also Vayne is afk I hate this
##vote boxerfred
Ultimately at the end of the day I have similar problems with both of you (you and fuba) not providing reads (save the Mig tone read on your end), and we have told you multiple times about the posting style. Lynching someone for being an ass is also not a good reason here - people on this site have been BM regardless of alignment.
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Also I read your case (BF) on JAT. It is flawed for the same reasons I called Mig's case on JAT flawed, there were implications behind Artanis' play that you didn't take into consideration and he did. The same thing applies to the counterclaim.
I swear I feel I'm repeating myself on this point now.
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...or you could do what you told me you were going to do.
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Prior to the whole spiel with Boxer I was looking at boxer and fuba. Now along with fuba, I also think we might need another look at Mig.
So at this point, fuba and Mig.
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On June 12 2015 01:32 boxerfred wrote:
Here is the original breadcrumb tell from Artanis that made him claim. Now why would you pick that breadcrumb up? I mean, let's take the sentence: "Wouldn't consider it a lock though."
So for me as a newbie, I read that as "Well, I wouldn't lock that opinion yet. The case might be solid but it's not enough to justify a lynch". A more experienced player would probably read it as "Well, solid case, but I'm not using my Jailkeeper ability to block him in the night." But still, it's a crumb, not a huge tell. So who would read that sentence so accurate, so exactly, that he'd find that breadcrumb? I mean, it's D1. We're all still a bit kidding and joking, right? Except the one that is directly mentioned in the post: Mig. Mig sees his name pop up. He sees that this is an opinion on the case on him AND he sees that he's considered (or not) to be jailed. Mig's reaction? Go to scum qt, tell everyone that there is a Jailkeeper and pray that the guy gets killed at night - or even day. That would explain why yamato did his original TMI tell: directly believing the claim.
I mean let's be honest, scum must've seen the breadcrumb (the crumb was even pointed out once the claim came) and they believed Artanis. I don't understand why Artanis instaclaimed or even dropped that crumb but he got us a red. Now that we all know that the claim was for real, I think it might be worth it to go through the D1 posts and re-read all the reactions. I mean by now, we have several townies dead. Might be worth gathering who went on who. Shame I have no time this evening, my passion is almost restored with that post. However I'll try my best to do what I just said before EoD.
I thought about this part of the post and I went back and looked at the Day 1 reactions. In thread were Slam, Marv, Yamato, JAT, FF, prplhz along with Artanis. Yamato had ridicule all around, but Mig in that thread was nowhere to be seen.
prplhz gave an lol artanis, Slam straight up called both FF and Artanis fakeclaims, and then after the former rescinded, Artanis drops the crumbs and FF, you posted this.
On June 06 2015 05:17 Fecalfeast wrote:Wait you're not joking? come on man why would you claim now?
The only person who appeared to believe directly in thread was yamato the page following.
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On June 12 2015 04:10 Fecalfeast wrote:
One thing I dislike is that VA has come back to the thread but BF hasn't actually made any effor to question him or revisit his scumread.
I thought he did? Or not the question you were expecting?
On June 12 2015 01:39 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 01:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
and yes you see that i am implying that salty could be mafia here but im not ready to entertain that yet. although the kill certainly suggests it Okay but let me raise Salty's case on yamato that got him lynched D1. Mafia could've clearly avoided that if that case would not have happened. Do you think that this is a play do confirm him town for the rest of the game?
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FF, when Artanis claimed, given the quote above, you asked why he was claiming? Did you believe him immediately?
On June 06 2015 08:12 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 08:09 NaCl`y wrote:
@FecalFeast
Since you are around and are a point of contention. Can you weigh in on these claims?
Also, why is it that you complain about the state of the game earlier but then make no attempt to change that whatsoever? I think I agree with JAT that artanis' claim is only worth it if mafia thinks they've been found out. As town idk why he would claim there and believed it was a joke so completely that I counterclaimed him to join in on the fun. I think you claim is ass all around. I complain while making no effort because that's what my brain tells my fingers to do.
I see the above, I see why you joked around and then you followed up saying "let's wait for night actions to resolve".
Where did you stand on Artanis' claim once it was clear he wasn't joking?
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Never mind you ninjaed me.
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I could see BF trying to appease JAT on one hand (the part where he unvotes him) but at the same time I do like the part where he wants to re-evalute what happened D1 at the time Artanis' claim for any potential TMI.
I do agree the nightkill thing is wifom and not fully productive either.
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On June 12 2015 01:32 boxerfred wrote:
The other thought I had at that time was "Wait, why is Mig pushing on JAT when JAT is already in a fight with me?" Like, for scum, the best thing to have is to have as many accusations going as possible. Light fires wherever you can and once some fires are burning, chime in every now and then to make sure it keeps burning. I'm the biggest fire that's currently burning, yes, but once I'm lynched, it gets hard to get another fire started when you didn't spark something up in the first days already. So Mig might've seen a good opportunity in jumping on JAT, since he can imagine me getting lynched and then town people might jump on JAT.
That's why I think they are not the same alignment. It's a bit tinfoilhatty but I can see scum-Mig putting pressure on people because scum really needs mislynches. That's like the one thing I took from my first game since we lost scum-scott D1 when I was scum in that game.
This sort of is in line with some of the things we said during the night cycle, the one post where you concluded he didn't care who got lynched.
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