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well i kinda thought you were town before that. and in fact you possibly (probably?) are.
not necessarily stopped me before though.
Vengeful.
i accept your point about not being a chez-lover because he was boring and afk, btw.
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On June 10 2015 19:27 prplhz wrote:
why do you keep saying vengeful and what is it that role does?
that's just coincidence and it is not in any way a role hint or claim :D
just describing myself.
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it should actually be really obvious i am not a blue, btw.
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On June 10 2015 19:30 Fecalfeast wrote:
did I say vengeful?
Why did you go straight to necrophilia marv?
a boy has his kinks
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On June 10 2015 15:46 Half the Sky wrote:+ Show Spoiler +3 The Chez claim issue bothered me as well, I know there's more quotes but we'll start off with this On June 10 2015 02:52 fuba wrote:
I find it strange that marv says he sees no sense in what chez is saying, when I think it seems pretty clear. On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him. Why are you questioning this? He clearly seems to be claiming cop. On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:00 prplhz wrote:On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him. Why are you questioning this? He clearly seems to be claiming cop. why be vague about being cop in his situation also, cops generally aren't informed about whether or not there are millers in the game I don't know. But the same question could be asked about him if he is scum. I know chez likes posting in riddles rather than just saying what he's thinking, so maybe that's an answer for both questions. Gonna check for chez's previous blue games, see if he'd just outright claim then.
And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red. On June 10 2015 03:48 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:43 Half the Sky wrote:
And fuba, you are suggesting that's implying a redcheck? Yes. If I was in chez's place (assuming for the moment that chez is town), I'd assume that that message would be read as a red check on marv, in the event of my eventual flip as cop. On June 10 2015 04:53 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 04:51 marvellosity wrote:On June 10 2015 03:19 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:14 Half the Sky wrote:On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote:
And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red. Or....he could just hardclaim now (especially his forced to go afk) and out with any given check (assuming he's alignment and not parity) be it marv or whoever else so that it's clear that is what he was doing. And why are you suggesting he checked marv? That's absolutely true, but he could also just be being chezinu. Which is why I'm trying to find a list of his blue games XD In any case, almost everything he says points to him claiming to have checked marv, and having that check come back red. grats. fuba: "it's weird that marv isn't sure what chez's post means, it means this" *a tiny amount of time passes* fuba: "oh yeah, it could mean all these other things too, guess marv is sexy as fuck and correct as always" No, it's absolutely clear what chez was going for. It wasn't clear at all to me and the fact I had to read his filter several times...AND double check the theory by checking other games as a DT. I don't know how he was absolutely seemed to be sure but one flaw in my argument is whether he's had more exp with Chez doing this sort of stuff but as a DT I wasn't seeing it. So I don't know where it came from. Talking in absolutes I agree is a scum behaviour though. The other potential issue is how he kept second guessing himself. Given those two quotes I brought up re: Fecalfeast, it appeared that self-consciousness bled over here when Salty, prplhz, myself, etc were questioning the DT claim and could also be interpreted as him being worried how he looked to us. There were several instances. On June 10 2015 03:09 fuba wrote:
Eh, maybe I'm just wrong. On June 10 2015 03:20 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:16 Half the Sky wrote:
Still the previous point stands. A hardclaim and a check would give us direction. Nearly every true blue claim comes with a check or a list of prot actions, etc.
I mean you were JK in Carnaval and when you were forced to claim, you claimed and then you explained why you JKed ritoky. It should be the same approach here. Gonna say I agree, but gonna say again, it's Chezinu... I mean, in his own way (presuming I know enough about his way to even say such a thing), he seems to have done just that. On June 10 2015 03:45 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:42 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:29 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 03:13 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:09 NaCl`y wrote:
He could quite easily also be a mafia role cop and checked marvellosity. Oh yeah... I forget about mafia roles besides roleblocker and godfather. Though does his play make sense as a rolecop? Guess it doesn't really matter. Though why you suggest that as an option confuses me. Does it explain why chez is behaving like a town cop? On June 10 2015 03:03 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him. Why are you questioning this? He clearly seems to be claiming cop. So, what you are saying is that Chezinu is claiming cop but on day 1 when I counter claimed Artanis[Xp], Chezinu was quite happy to vote for fecalfeast and quite blatantly ignored the entire thing to begin with. So in his world there were 2 doctors and 1 cop? I don't believe that and that is why I deduced that his claim must be a mafia one. On June 06 2015 09:12 Chezinu wrote:
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Artanis[Xp] save yourself vote fecalfeast!!! Like I said before. His play does not look like he is a blue role at all. If he is claiming that there might be millers in this game then he could have quite possibly role checked marvellosity and to anyone that did not remember the rest of the game it would look like he's actually a cop if we actually lynched marvellosity or he flipped miller. How does his D2 not look like he's blue? Actually, at that point, he did have plenty of votes on him already. Guess he could have just been acting the entire time. By themselves, it's not a problem, but when taken in context with the whole being self-conscious about appearance, it becomes a problem. It adds a layer of scumminess to how he's viewing things based on what he said to Fecalfeast.
yeah this is what i was talking about wanting to look at last night, so thank you for going ahead and doing that work for me. It is really odd.
No, it's absolutely clear what chez was going for.
In particular things like this, fuba has said (I think in this game even?) one of the things he does is look at all the possibilities from all different angles (i'm sure he would confirm this) and yet in this particular murky instance he comes across as totally sure what's going on
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On June 10 2015 22:18 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 22:15 marvellosity wrote:On June 10 2015 15:46 Half the Sky wrote:+ Show Spoiler +3 The Chez claim issue bothered me as well, I know there's more quotes but we'll start off with this On June 10 2015 02:52 fuba wrote:
I find it strange that marv says he sees no sense in what chez is saying, when I think it seems pretty clear. On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him. Why are you questioning this? He clearly seems to be claiming cop. On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:00 prplhz wrote:On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him. Why are you questioning this? He clearly seems to be claiming cop. why be vague about being cop in his situation also, cops generally aren't informed about whether or not there are millers in the game I don't know. But the same question could be asked about him if he is scum. I know chez likes posting in riddles rather than just saying what he's thinking, so maybe that's an answer for both questions. Gonna check for chez's previous blue games, see if he'd just outright claim then.
And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red. On June 10 2015 03:48 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:43 Half the Sky wrote:
And fuba, you are suggesting that's implying a redcheck? Yes. If I was in chez's place (assuming for the moment that chez is town), I'd assume that that message would be read as a red check on marv, in the event of my eventual flip as cop. On June 10 2015 04:53 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 04:51 marvellosity wrote:On June 10 2015 03:19 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:14 Half the Sky wrote:On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote:
And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red. Or....he could just hardclaim now (especially his forced to go afk) and out with any given check (assuming he's alignment and not parity) be it marv or whoever else so that it's clear that is what he was doing. And why are you suggesting he checked marv? That's absolutely true, but he could also just be being chezinu. Which is why I'm trying to find a list of his blue games XD In any case, almost everything he says points to him claiming to have checked marv, and having that check come back red. grats. fuba: "it's weird that marv isn't sure what chez's post means, it means this" *a tiny amount of time passes* fuba: "oh yeah, it could mean all these other things too, guess marv is sexy as fuck and correct as always" No, it's absolutely clear what chez was going for. It wasn't clear at all to me and the fact I had to read his filter several times...AND double check the theory by checking other games as a DT. I don't know how he was absolutely seemed to be sure but one flaw in my argument is whether he's had more exp with Chez doing this sort of stuff but as a DT I wasn't seeing it. So I don't know where it came from. Talking in absolutes I agree is a scum behaviour though. The other potential issue is how he kept second guessing himself. Given those two quotes I brought up re: Fecalfeast, it appeared that self-consciousness bled over here when Salty, prplhz, myself, etc were questioning the DT claim and could also be interpreted as him being worried how he looked to us. There were several instances. On June 10 2015 03:09 fuba wrote:
Eh, maybe I'm just wrong. On June 10 2015 03:20 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:16 Half the Sky wrote:
Still the previous point stands. A hardclaim and a check would give us direction. Nearly every true blue claim comes with a check or a list of prot actions, etc.
I mean you were JK in Carnaval and when you were forced to claim, you claimed and then you explained why you JKed ritoky. It should be the same approach here. Gonna say I agree, but gonna say again, it's Chezinu... I mean, in his own way (presuming I know enough about his way to even say such a thing), he seems to have done just that. On June 10 2015 03:45 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:42 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:29 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 03:13 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:09 NaCl`y wrote:
He could quite easily also be a mafia role cop and checked marvellosity. Oh yeah... I forget about mafia roles besides roleblocker and godfather. Though does his play make sense as a rolecop? Guess it doesn't really matter. Though why you suggest that as an option confuses me. Does it explain why chez is behaving like a town cop? On June 10 2015 03:03 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him. Why are you questioning this? He clearly seems to be claiming cop. So, what you are saying is that Chezinu is claiming cop but on day 1 when I counter claimed Artanis[Xp], Chezinu was quite happy to vote for fecalfeast and quite blatantly ignored the entire thing to begin with. So in his world there were 2 doctors and 1 cop? I don't believe that and that is why I deduced that his claim must be a mafia one. On June 06 2015 09:12 Chezinu wrote:
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Artanis[Xp] save yourself vote fecalfeast!!! Like I said before. His play does not look like he is a blue role at all. If he is claiming that there might be millers in this game then he could have quite possibly role checked marvellosity and to anyone that did not remember the rest of the game it would look like he's actually a cop if we actually lynched marvellosity or he flipped miller. How does his D2 not look like he's blue? Actually, at that point, he did have plenty of votes on him already. Guess he could have just been acting the entire time. By themselves, it's not a problem, but when taken in context with the whole being self-conscious about appearance, it becomes a problem. It adds a layer of scumminess to how he's viewing things based on what he said to Fecalfeast. yeah this is what i was talking about wanting to look at last night, so thank you for going ahead and doing that work for me. It is really odd. No, it's absolutely clear what chez was going for. In particular things like this, fuba has said (I think in this game even?) one of the things he does is look at all the possibilities from all different angles (i'm sure he would confirm this) and yet in this particular murky instance he comes across as totally sure what's going on So can you tell me now why on earth you were townreading him earlier? The only reason I did not consider him was that you said you think he is town because to me his play has been insanely scummy all game.
I thought I could understand what he was thinking. Then I also thought he wouldn't try to have that friendly engagement he had with me at the point he did. And post quite a few posts in a row that didn't look overthought.
i might well still be townreading him if salty hadn't brought what was an excellent point about absolutes (the one you liked)
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it's a good habit, NB: he was never in my list of townreads that I gave (that i was reasonably confident in).
Else it would be everyone in one pile and everyone else in the other, which isn't how it works ^^
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if i'm going "i think that person may be town" but I never put them in some sort of list, you should know it can change xD
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good job you don't have to get it then
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god I am so sad about Chez's play. He used to have more about him.
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he kinda gave HF the win in Onegu's game too.
The thing about Chez was that he was actually right/astute a lot, but you either couldn't understand or people would ignore him.
we're in a great spot anyway though
On June 08 2015 02:18 marvellosity wrote:
I think these people are town:
1.marvellosity
2.justanothertownie
3. NaCl`y
4.prplhz
7. Alakaslam
13. Artanis[Xp]
if I'm right about these, then just lynching everyone else indiscriminately would do the trick.
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On June 11 2015 01:40 boxerfred wrote:
Why exactly is marv town, jat?
ask yourself, you went through my filter and came to the town conclusion
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On June 11 2015 02:14 justanothertownie wrote:You will probably not like the reason. Ok, first of all he is putting in quite a bit of effort even though we lynched mafia day1 and it is his second consecutive scumgame. He could do that as scum but it is something. But more importantly the reason I scumread him early day1 can be explained by what he said about not being joyful as town. Dick move analysis says he would not try to convince me that this is the case with the argument that he wants to retire from playing mafia. I just do not think he would do that. If he did, fine. It will never work again. But I doubt it. And fortunately if we lynch his partner he will probably concede anyways - it will get easier to lynch him the longer he lives. So I do not concern myself too much with doubting him.
it's a good reason, because you know i wouldn't
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On June 11 2015 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I don't think he's actually suspicious of me. Seems like everyone is just keeping me on the backburner as usual
saving you for lylo sweetie
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On June 11 2015 03:11 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 03:10 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2015 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I don't think he's actually suspicious of me. Seems like everyone is just keeping me on the backburner as usual saving you for lylo sweetie I know, and then I win in lylo because I am the wizard
ya it's a flawed plan.
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this conversation is going nowhere in impressive fashion
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how does any of this commentary make him mafia exactly?
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On June 11 2015 04:11 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:10 marvellosity wrote:
how does any of this commentary make him mafia exactly? Shame you don't see it.
I mean this in all seriousness, and not as a criticism of you, so please take it in the spirit it's intended (we'll assume you're town for now)
when you talk about someone, you need to be clear/concise about how what you're saying is more likely to come from a mafia perspective than a town perspective
this isn't the first time you've done this - you just comment on a series of posts and you create your own narrative.
Well, I (and also most other players in this game) can easily provide you with an alternative narrative.
A better case structure is as follows:
1. jat does this thing (1 or 2 quotes as evidence)
2. here's why it makes sense from a mafia perspective
3. here's why i don't think it's the town perspective
4. conclusion
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On June 11 2015 04:14 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:11 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 04:10 marvellosity wrote:
how does any of this commentary make him mafia exactly? Shame you don't see it. I mean this in all seriousness, and not as a criticism of you, so please take it in the spirit it's intended (we'll assume you're town for now) when you talk about someone, you need to be clear/concise about how what you're saying is more likely to come from a mafia perspective than a town perspective this isn't the first time you've done this - you just comment on a series of posts and you create your own narrative. Well, I (and also most other players in this game) can easily provide you with an alternative narrative. A better case structure is as follows: 1. jat does this thing (1 or 2 quotes as evidence) 2. here's why it makes sense from a mafia perspective 3. here's why i don't think it's the town perspective 4. conclusion
for a town bf so it doesn't get lost
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1. jat does only oneliners, has a huge misread on Artanis which I don't think would come from such an experienced player.
2. jat does a TMI-ish call on NaCl (yamato got hanged for a similar one on artanis)
3. a filter of oneliners is not townish
4. thus he's scummy
There is nothing inherently mafia-ish about posting one-liners. My average word count is lower as town than it is as mafia, and jat plays in at least a kinda similar style to me.
so that's at least part of 1/3/4 out the window
can you explain why it's TMI-ish call on NaCl? I'm not going to read your case again to find it, so just a sentence would be cool
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