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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
June 15 2015 21:06 GMT
#2161
If you are town, town only has 1 mislynch left before it is lylo. Can you not just give up?
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
June 15 2015 21:07 GMT
#2162
Would really like to hear why prplhz is voting vayne also and why he doesn't want to vote boxer.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
June 15 2015 21:22 GMT
#2163
Two things concern me,

1) boxers reason for voting fuba is so insanely bad it is blowing my mind. It is such complete bs. From this game if boxer is mafia then he is at least competent ( a lot of drawn out posts that showed at least some thought and theorycrafting), would he fuck up this hard right at the end? Maybe he is frazzled and not trying anymore but meh.

2) the spreadsheet, I know it isn't that helpful but how often do you see mafia who are nearly guaranteed dead actually put in the work to make something like that right before lynch?

I don't know if either of these things are enough for me not to lynch boxer but I would like to discuss them at least.

jat/hts/fancyfeast any thoughts on these points?

Any thoughts on if vayne is a better lynch?
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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 21:28 GMT
#2164
I'm on the way home from a cafe right now. Give me approx 10-15 minutes and I'm back on the laptop.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
June 15 2015 21:35 GMT
#2165
One thing I think at least, if boxer is mafia then prplhz is more likely town (as backwards as that may seem). If he wanted to save his team mate I assume he would have posted something arguing for why vayne is a better lynch instead of just voting vayne and afking. Voting and disappearing would actually make prplhz more suspicious if boxer flips mafia.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
June 15 2015 21:42 GMT
#2166
gotta take a shower, will be back in 20.

JAT/fancy feast really not going to give any opinions 1hr before lynch?
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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 21:45 GMT
#2167
Alright, here I go.

Re voting for fuba - I agree. He's using the lack of time as an excuse which was why I purposely re-phrased the question to see where his mentality was. The fact there's no response makes me think he's out of ideas (which I've seen happen as either alignment with people) or just not wanting to put information out there, the latter which is exclusively mafia.

The issue with the spreadsheet issue is that BF at least judging by last game generally willing to have a go even when disadvantaged as mafia, not sure if you are aware but NSM10 he was giving it a go as mafia until one of the townies literally bullied him into conceding which (obviously) was out of order and earned that player (a vet) a 3 game ban.

In this scenario, the bullying that occured in NSM10 is obv not happening but in any case I was more interested in seeing the purpose behind what he was doing, and not seeing the mentality or the ability to explain it is quite problematic from a town perspective. There needs to be a purpose. Also lack of original thought is generally a scum trait.

So this is why I'm not treating his giving up as alignment indicative. I want to lynch him based on the points raised up through and including last cycle and of course today it's just gotten worse.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 21:50 GMT
#2168
Do I think VA is a better lynch? Well one thing that made me wonder is how he has been hard defending boxer.

What makes it potentially scum trait is that several things have been happening over the course of the game with boxer, and that read has been completely static with new information. If boxer is actually indeed town, VA actually could be mafia. I broached the idea of TMI with him, which becomes glaringly obvious given all the scum behaviour that's been weighted against him. So it raises the question why (aside from the JAT/BF argument that VA commented on as being town on town) or what else or what changes make him think he's town.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 21:50 GMT
#2169
EBWOP that read has been completely static despite new information (not "with")
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 21:52 GMT
#2170
I checked prplhz's last read on boxer, looks like he's not fully sure on him but just need to know what he's seeing what others may not be regarding VA.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 21:55 GMT
#2171
On June 16 2015 06:35 Mig wrote:
One thing I think at least, if boxer is mafia then prplhz is more likely town (as backwards as that may seem). If he wanted to save his team mate I assume he would have posted something arguing for why vayne is a better lynch instead of just voting vayne and afking. Voting and disappearing would actually make prplhz more suspicious if boxer flips mafia.


Not to be persnickety but you are contradicting yourself here. Which do you actually mean?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
June 15 2015 21:58 GMT
#2172
On June 16 2015 06:55 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 06:35 Mig wrote:
One thing I think at least, if boxer is mafia then prplhz is more likely town (as backwards as that may seem). If he wanted to save his team mate I assume he would have posted something arguing for why vayne is a better lynch instead of just voting vayne and afking. Voting and disappearing would actually make prplhz more suspicious if boxer flips mafia.


Not to be persnickety but you are contradicting yourself here. Which do you actually mean?


Yea I wasn't clear, if prplhz just parked his vote away from boxer without explaining it then that would normally draw more attention to him and make people suspicious (something mafia would try to avoid but townies might not even think about)
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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
June 15 2015 22:14 GMT
#2173
On June 16 2015 06:42 Mig wrote:
gotta take a shower, will be back in 20.

JAT/fancy feast really not going to give any opinions 1hr before lynch?

I told you I wouldn't have time today. Sitting in a train half drunk. Maybe I will be home before deadline to discuss but your defense of bf sounds like too scummy to be scum which is a bad argument.
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
June 15 2015 22:15 GMT
#2174
Eh at this point I can't see not voting boxer. If he was town I threw him a rope to try and save himself but he didnt take it. It has been over an hour since I asked him stuff and now only 45 min till lynch. Seems more likely he is mafia and decided to just martyr and hope I started to doubt myself instead of answering my questions.

##vote Boxer
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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
June 15 2015 22:19 GMT
#2175
On June 16 2015 06:50 Half the Sky wrote:
Do I think VA is a better lynch? Well one thing that made me wonder is how he has been hard defending boxer.

What makes it potentially scum trait is that several things have been happening over the course of the game with boxer, and that read has been completely static with new information. If boxer is actually indeed town, VA actually could be mafia. I broached the idea of TMI with him, which becomes glaringly obvious given all the scum behaviour that's been weighted against him. So it raises the question why (aside from the JAT/BF argument that VA commented on as being town on town) or what else or what changes make him think he's town.

I agree that if bf is town this looks like tmi. But I just can't see how bf can be town.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
June 15 2015 22:21 GMT
#2176
It is really surprising how contested this lynch is.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 22:22 GMT
#2177
Oh wait......on the topic of VA....he yolo voted JAT. I completely forgot about that.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 22:23 GMT
#2178
On June 15 2015 07:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
im pretty sure we are all town guys, the answer is to no lynch and unlock the secret victory. honestly i got nothing this game. everyone at some point has given me a pretty good reason to read them as town,

##vote justanothertownie yolo


And this was before prplhz voted VA.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
June 15 2015 22:25 GMT
#2179
The thing is VA can be scum regardless of bfs alignment.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 22:25 GMT
#2180
But yeah same problem here, he's not explaining why. And VA also called the JAT/BF fight town on town......so what changed with JAT (he was in his PoE in his filter) that didn't change with BF?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
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