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i find it very unlikely that a scum templar comes to the thread with 3-4 hours before the deadline, leading by a substantial margin and basically calls the alternative wagon dumpster and tries to push his own, while also failing @ voting in the voting thread.
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chocolate kinda did the same thing too....le sigh
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On June 05 2015 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 03:24 ritoky wrote:
i find it very unlikely that a scum templar comes to the thread with 3-4 hours before the deadline, leading by a substantial margin and basically calls the alternative wagon dumpster and tries to push his own, while also failing @ voting in the voting thread. And if the alternative wagon is ALSO mafia, where does that lead this though process?
i don't know how templar plays as mafia so i can't really say, could be teammate preservation. if it were me? i would be even MORE prone to push the opposing wagon on my teammate....so....
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VE can you expand on your nydus town read? cuz i don't have one.
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Current Vote:
Ticktock (1) - sicklucker
GGTemplar (4) - Kickstart, Ticktock, Nydus, Scott
VE (1) - Milo109
Chocolate (2) - ritoky, VE
Onegu (2) - Fidei, Chocolate
Not voting - Damdred, Onegu, Templar
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On June 05 2015 03:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's mostly based on his back and forth with Kickstart - it reminds me of townies going back and forth at each other. Did you have specific beef with him that I missed?
other than i think he got a ton of town reads in a way that felt too easy to deserve them, not really.
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On June 05 2015 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote:Rito whatever happened to this? You agreed with my read earlier and for the last half cycle you've said you don't understand the townreads on Nydus. Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 08:02 ritoky wrote:On June 03 2015 08:01 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 03 2015 07:58 Kickstart wrote:On June 03 2015 07:52 NydusHerMain wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 03 2015 07:43 Kickstart wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 07:33 NydusHerMain wrote:
Okay so I was formatting and pressed the wrong button.... to save myself the embarassment... I'm just going to barebone the rest -_- ....
Even though I said I didn't like Kickstarter, I also, funny enough, don't like Ritoky. His playstyle is just something I'm willing to vote on irrelevant of alignment. If we lynch him and he flips mafia, I'll gladly take the credit. If he flips town, I gladly take the blame.
I have a town read on Milo, I liked his reaction to Damdred and I liked that he was pressuring Ritoky (or at least attempting to). I don't see what's scummy about him to Kickstarter. Everything he says seems genuine to me.
Also, I'm kind of glad I pressed post by accident because I'm not a very frequent poster (I usually just post big WoTs or at least plan to) and I was scared I wouldn't meet the 10 posts per 72 hours rule. Phew.... See you guys again in 9 hours since I just need to make 1 post per 9 hours to meet the quota for this cycle. PEACE The rest of your post is even more odd to me. For one you just aligned yourself with Milo, for seemingly no reason (and I will also point out that you specifically mentioned his reaction to Damdred which was exactly what milo used as a town read on Damred but which is something that didn't stick out at all to me). Right now I clearly see a milo, Nydus, Damdred connection here which I find really odd given that, in my opinion, nothing has happened for you three to align yourselves like this. To be fair, Damdred has said nothing to align himself with them Nydus but there is a slight connection there in that these 3 seem to be thinking alike and making the same points. @DamdredCan you give detailed thoughts on milo and Nydus strange posts? Also, while I'm posting this Damdred also defended milo, making the link between them 2 even stronger. Another thing about your post that I quoted Nydus is that I really don't like that you said you are willing to vote ritocky just because you don't like his posting. Scum are the ones who don't care who is lynched, and the fact that you state that you don't care if he is town and is lynched is not an opinion a towns person should have. HAHAHAHA loaded question much? Anyways, I didn't completely flesh out my Milo townread because I was kind of annoyed that I hit post before I even finished posting and when I was about to edit, I remembered it was against the rules. To me, I think he's defending himself decently against both you and Ritoky, and his vote on Ritoky didn't feel out of place. I saw it as a pressure vote and didn't see it as anything he was going to keep forever unless he continued to see Ritoky as scummy. When someone called him out for contradiction, he admitted to making the mistake pretty quickly and I don't think that it's scummy to be stuck making a logic error. If he tried to stick with the error and pretend that it was correct, then I would think he was scummy but he did the opposite. That makes sense I guess. I would still like you to explain why you stated you would be fine voting ritocky just because you don't like his posting. I find it scummy that you stated you don't care if ritocky is town or scum but that you would be happy having him gone either way, so I would still like you to expand on this... I actually got the opposite read off Nydus' comment about ritoky: I find it very unlikely that Nydus comes in and says something as controversial as "I would lynch ritoky regardless of his alignment" as mafia. I find it far more likely that he says somethign like that as town. ^ same
he came back and didn't re-evaluate on me after i had stopped trolling.
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he has since, but it was very far after the fact
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On June 05 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote:
Can we lynch ks for voting GG dissapearing and not caring leading up to voe and having no real reads of his own. The nylis read he discarded under pressure and honestly besides shit fighting with me which he called omgus he has 0 follow up at this point or seemed to care that the people he wanted to give reads have given reads or not instead pushing a thread sentiment wagon onto GG
i think this is his reads post:
On June 04 2015 16:31 Kickstart wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 15:36 scott31337 wrote:
Who would you be willing to lynch beyond GG, Kickstart?
milo and SL, did mention my issues with chocolate before and it seems he is getting a lot of heat atm, will see that happens there. My "willing to lynch" list is going to be quite long, not sure if that is good or bad D:. GGT, milo, SL, chocolate, and possibly damdred but it all depends on what he posts before the end of the day. That is probably the order I would choose as well, SL and chocolate kind of the same in the order though, SL for the reasons I stated earlier and for now just afking and chocolate because I had already been suspicious of him and it seems that the two people I think are town (ritocky and VE) are both going on him.
but yes he was kinda on me when it was fashionable, then on milo when it was fashionable, then on templar when it is fashionable. he never seems to lead from the front of a lynch despite being the 2nd loudest person in the game, which is why he is in my null zone. coupled w/ the weird nydus thing and some other shit i can't remember off the top of my head.
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VE, do you know what i find to be the most compelling reason to stay on chocolate at the moment is?
that you or i are pretty much every single player in the game's #1 town read and yet we are the only 2 on this vote lol. that shit is blowing my mind....
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On June 05 2015 04:10 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 04:05 ritoky wrote:
VE, do you know what i find to be the most compelling reason to stay on chocolate at the moment is?
that you or i are pretty much every single player in the game's #1 town read and yet we are the only 2 on this vote lol. that shit is blowing my mind.... I've been warming up to Damdred a little. However I'm pretty sure you were right that you and I are not likely to be friends this game. This post from you just looks like your trying to strong arm the thread. You also mentioned Kick is the 2nd loudest person this game.. I'm not sure if this was your opinion, but I def think you have been the loudest thus far.
was talking filter length moreso than yelling. but yeah i am #1 by a good margin in activity (which also means i have a 93% likelihood of being town...STATISTICS...that was for you bb, u like dat strongarm?)
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also @TT do you know what the chez rule is?
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On June 05 2015 04:19 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 04:13 ritoky wrote:
also @TT do you know what the chez rule is? Just what scott posted before, which is apparently not the full deal? I haven't had a chance to check into it myself.
Basically when people haven't met or don't know Chezinu and they experience the Chezinu experience for the first time they tend to think he is a giant troll who is completely useless. This usually results in someone saying something along the lines of "fuck this guy ##vote" and such sentiments. The first person who does this to Chezinu has demonstrated a % of being mafia near 90% or more. It is actually pretty ridiculous. The initial basis of Templar's scum read on you is based on this rule. He is saying that this game I was acting as Chezinu at the start of the game, and that you were the first person to effectively say "fuck this trollzy guy ##vote". Scott was trying to say you were playing the role of Chezinu, but I don't really see that.
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On June 04 2015 05:14 Kickstart wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 04:59 ritoky wrote:On June 04 2015 04:51 Kickstart wrote:
Well since it seems GGT isnt here yet to answer any questions, what do others think of my read on him? I know ritocky echod the concern about that insane list post and scott said he agreed with the post. Is GGT scummy to you guys as well or do you find another person more scummy atm, and aside from ritocky and scott what does everyone else think of my GGT read? I would rather not be misrepresented. I don't think templar looks that scummy. He is pretty much null. I think your last point about how his town reads changed a lot w/o explanation seems like a good point of pressure. However the rest of your case is meh. Like I said I don't mind a lot of what templar said and the particular posts he keyed in on. Also kickstart, can you give a town read on someone. The big issue I am having getting a solid read on you is you seem to be OMGUSing everything that walks. Well me OMGUSing everything is a stretch.
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On June 05 2015 04:25 Tictock wrote:
Ok found the thread about Chezinu stuff, I'll start looking it over now...
Any advice on what I should pay attn to to help me understand GG's thinking here?
my previous post is a summary of it.
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On June 05 2015 04:27 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 04:25 ritoky wrote:On June 05 2015 04:19 Tictock wrote:On June 05 2015 04:13 ritoky wrote:
also @TT do you know what the chez rule is? Just what scott posted before, which is apparently not the full deal? I haven't had a chance to check into it myself. Basically when people haven't met or don't know Chezinu and they experience the Chezinu experience for the first time they tend to think he is a giant troll who is completely useless. This usually results in someone saying something along the lines of "fuck this guy ##vote" and such sentiments. The first person who does this to Chezinu has demonstrated a % of being mafia near 90% or more. It is actually pretty ridiculous. The initial basis of Templar's scum read on you is based on this rule. He is saying that this game I was acting as Chezinu at the start of the game, and that you were the first person to effectively say "fuck this trollzy guy ##vote". Scott was trying to say you were playing the role of Chezinu, but I don't really see that. Ah... what does the rule say if I was responding in an equally trolly manner? My reaction was far from "Screw this, ##VOTE" was much more "Ok, lets play ##VOTE" I had a similar reaction to Onegu.
the chezinu rule only accounts for first poster, not for the sentiment or thought behind why person did it.
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On June 05 2015 04:28 Tictock wrote:If you recall I unvoted you (well I never REALLY voted) in this manner Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 06:32 Tictock wrote:On June 03 2015 06:29 ritoky wrote:On June 03 2015 06:24 Kickstart wrote:On June 03 2015 06:10 Tictock wrote:
@ Kick
It has always been my policy to deal with inactives by reading their actual posts that much harder.
The idea is that if they are only willing to share a small amount of thoughts or thinking then we should take those posts even more literally/seriously. My point is that we need to foster an environment that doesn't allow inactivity, this is clearly the best environment to have and thus we should strive for it. How we will deal with people that are inactive anyways is another matter. Also people should, eventually, share most of their thoughts. Holding back your thoughts initially to build on them is fine, I already find some things scummy but I am waiting to add to this so as not to let the person/people I find scummy change what they are doing so soon. On June 03 2015 06:12 ritoky wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 03 2015 06:02 Kickstart wrote:I just want to go ahead and get this out. A good town environment is one in which no one is allowed to lurk or be passive and not post much of their thoughts. While I honestly don't know any of the players in this game I believe some are new so to them and to everyone else, you have to post. Whether you are 100% sure in your reads or not, posting is good for town. Even if your reads are wrong, being active is good for town to figure out the game. I refuse to allow the game to be a passive one where several people are lurking and not being active and contributing to the conversation because that automatically makes the game harder on town and lessens town's win chance. The 10 post per cycle rule enacted by the host is a good first step but I think it is up to us to make sure that people don't abuse the rule by just posting the minimum number of times and saying nothing of substance. Now what I said applies to every game of course, an active town is always better than a passive town with several lurkers; but I particularly wanted to lead in with this point because I already feel like we might be heading in the direction of a passive/inactive town. So this is directed to everyone but specifically directed @ Damdred and Tictock: Damdred and Tictock already posted before the start of the game that they might not be active. Here are Dam's and TT's posts I am referring to: Thankfully they have both said that they are just sort of busy at the start but will have more time and be more active. I just want to urge them both to be as active as they can from the start, that way everyone can gets reads on them and we don't let them both through just because they aren't active in the first phase but might be in the phases after. Just to be clear though, I am not accusing either of you nor am I suspicious of you for it, because those statements are clearly not alignment indicative because they were made before the game began and people had their roles. I am just saying that I refuse to allow the game to devolve into a passive town game with people lurking and posting nothing of substance and those events already have me worried that we may find ourselves in that position. So I urge you, along with everyone else, to be as active as you can, even if you are strapped for time. Now that that is out of the way, could those who have played in games with some of the other people in the game (or if you know them) tell me who the strong players? I haven't played mafia on here since 2012 so I have no idea who the good players are and I think knowing this is helpful. I know this request seems a bit scummy ("Oh you wan't to know who the good players are so you can get rid of them!") but I will just concede that and say that knowing who is good tells everyone that those players: a) should not be lurking because if they are good they are usually always active in their games (so if they are lurking and posting not much substance it will be suspicious), and, b) they would be valuable assets (so we should expect strong town play from them and we would expect mafia to try and get rid of them), both good pieces of information for town. That is all I have for now, get to posting and being active everyone! :D saw good town environment, stopped reading. ![[image loading]](http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h38/mrcrapinson/GregFart.gif~original) Can you clarify please? I think you mean you basically eyerolled at my post at the second line and didn't bother reading it. Could you clarify what you meant, and in the future not post your thought in the form of GIFs and images? It was a long post made immediately after the day post, which means it was planned and probably planned regardless of alignment. It says nothing about your alignment and only about some bs intentions you plan to traffic cop about to appear like you're doing shit for the game. I don't really care about reading more than a paragraph because it won't teach me anything about your alignment. I will continue to post pictures, deal with it. Crap, and I was like about ready to make that sure fire case on you too... ##UnvoteEven if the post was premade and is NAI, the content was at least good. Or do you have a different opinion about inactives ritoky?
it's not my read, i am just trying to explain templar's read to you since you don't seem to understand where it is coming from.
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On June 05 2015 04:22 Kickstart wrote:
and I agree that while SL does seem off, there should be enough information to work with to go for someone else at the moment.
This is the 2nd person to lightly deflect off of SL in recent memory....what exactly has he done to warrant this?
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i am very close to voting with you here.
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you on computer or phone damdred? gimme the best consolidated case you can
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