EPT[M][N]Holy Guardians Chapter 1 - Page 6
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##VOTE: Ticktock | ||
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All of that comes to why I honestly believe Chocolate is town. Chocolate was getting very heavily tunnelled on Day 1, but he was still willing to throw his vote onto Onegu with me. I see voting Onegu day 1 as the most pro-town thing it was possible to do. We definitely should not have lynched KS, not only because he ended up being blue, but because he was actually reading and contributing and pushing things. Also, Chocolate is only 18 and he hasn't played much mafia. I see his playstyle more as inexperience and a small amount of immaturity, not scumminess. He posted a couple of stupid things and, as a result, got really heavily tunnelled by VE. He also got abused by Scott (who said "you'd better start shitting townie rainbows"). I'd be pissed too. In fact, Chocolate's reaction was similar (albeit more whiny and less righteous indignation) than GGT's. If he's mafia and he's totally hoodwinked me, I'll feel like a prize chump. But those are my reasons and I'm going to stick by them, for now at least. | ||
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Let me go have a flick through VE's filter, because I think he and Damdred have played very similar games. If one of them is town and the other is mafia, that would be very surprising to me. In fact, I can't recall a time when either of them has actually read the other one. Hmmm. I'm going to go and look now. | ||
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Can you rehearse your arguments for a VE town read? I've just been over his filter fully for the first time, and it's actually completely useless. The only reads he makes all game are town on Scott and Nydus and scum on Chocolate and GGT. Almost every other post is him congratulating himself on being such a great townie, or responding in a "he-says she-says" ephemera type way. I had thought that he had tunnelled Chocolate pretty hard, but it wasn't even really a tunnel, it was more of a lynch mob. As soon as Chocolate made his (admittedly weird) first post, VE started on him and essentially didn't let go, but he kept his arguments almost exclusively to one-liners and angry rebuttals. All in all, I found it EXTREMELY unenlightening and unedifying. Also he hasn't posted anything for over a day - at this rate he's on track to be mod-killed. | ||
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That is even after the Day 1, where the people voting on KS were me, him, ritoky, Damdred and milo. Ritoky is confirmed town, and most people have milo confirmed town too. On the assumption that you believe I'm town, that leaves only Damdred voting on KS (other than Choco himself), and I'm pretty sure Damdred was on the Chocolate "wagon" before it even started. This analysis rings especially true because the vote was so close, one more mafia vote on KS would have swung it. Obviously this whole thing rests on the premise that milo isn't scum. We've all been over several times why we generally think milo is town. Therefore I think the only reasonable conclusion is that either Damdred and Chocolate are both mafia, or neither of them are. Has anyone noticed Damdred deflecting off Chocolate at all? | ||
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What do you say? | ||
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Hey Damdred and NHM. You've both said before quite a few times that you thought TT was Mafia. If you both, along with Chocolate, me and milo vote for him, he's done. I've given the reasons before why I think Chocolate is town and is definitely the wrong lynch today. If you look back over the fall out from EOD 1 then you'll see ritoky was also convinced (or thought GGT and Choco were scum together, which they obviously weren't). Neither of you have, as far as I can see, rescinded your scum reads on TT (well, my re-read of the thread is only at page 47, so maybe you do later, but I don't think so). What do you say? | ||
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One thing really struck me about the GGT wagon - it was basically entirely started by VE, but only after GGT had raised utter hell about Ticktock already. And that was on top of VE having previously had a mortal lock scum read on Chocolate. There was literally no reason not to continue to push for the Chocolate lynch, especially because plenty of other townies were crowing for him to be lynched as well (indeed, Shen continued to advocate it for a while). I don't see why VE would move off one of his "confirmed mafia" onto another, particularly as GGT was literally tunnel-visioned on Ticktock. I see no reason why a townie VE ships his vote from Chocolate to GGT, except to try and "bury" the Ticktock train that might have started to form. I'm very happy to be talked down from this, but that's how I see things. | ||
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