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On June 04 2015 19:45 Fidei86 wrote:
@ticktock also, why do you think it was a useless post? Did I miss an earlier discussion on this point (which I accept is possible)? Do you not think his behaviour is at all suspicious?
No, I'm leaning town on ritoky. A transition from trolly posting to more serious discussion is exactly what I expect D1.
I like your response though. Even though I disagree that this shift in behavior is indicative of anything. Your thinking isn't bad there either, I like you questioning a noticeable shift in a players attitude.
I thought this post from ritoky felt like a decent tone shift given then surrounding conversation
On June 04 2015 12:55 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 12:19 Tictock wrote:On June 04 2015 12:09 ritoky wrote:On June 04 2015 11:37 Tictock wrote:On June 04 2015 11:06 ritoky wrote:On June 04 2015 10:58 Tictock wrote:Scott is looking better given his posts today. I'm holding him to this post in particular, but I don't want to lynch him today. On June 04 2015 04:47 scott31337 wrote:On June 04 2015 04:34 ritoky wrote:On June 04 2015 04:27 scott31337 wrote:On June 04 2015 04:16 ritoky wrote:
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do you have any scum reads? all i got from this was you think milo is town and kickstart is town. i will take more of any kind of reads, but more interested in your scum reads. GGTemplar and Chocolate would be at the top of my scum list. I could sheep Kickstart's case on GG, It brings up fairly good points. I was awaiting a response before I voted, and we got another whole day as well. When I played with you in that student thing I remember you asking a whole lot more questions as town. Why are you much less inquisitive this game? I have friends from out of state with me right now and they leave later today so I'm not spending a whole lot of time on the game at the moment. I'll pick it up later today/tomorrow, Onegu posts are pretty underwhelming this far... but his intro post and this one gave me a decent laugh. On June 04 2015 04:15 Onegu wrote:
So here we go.
In Thailand Milo is Chocolate powder. So that means Chocolate and Milo must be on the same team. Since chocolate is so tasty they must both be town.
I recall doing a similar "read" on 27nb last game D1. On May 22 2015 09:56 Tictock wrote:
See his whole case doesn't make sense.
First 27 is clearly a better number than 26. Ends in a prime, multiple of nine AND 3...
2nd the 27 is CLEARLY attached to ninja more than bunnies, yet BM is asserting that there is too little Ninja. When is there ever too little Ninja? I mean the very absence of Ninja IS Ninja....
I guess I have to admit that he's really pretty null thus far, but I like his tone. Idk just a gut thing I guess... ????????????????????????????? what the hell is that scott read?????????? and you're saying templar's reads are weak LOL. i think me and this guy are reading separate games. You know what ritoky. I'm starting to rethink you this game as well. So far you seem to like to shit on other peoples reads, but I don't see you giving any of your own. What are your reads atm? Who do you think is the best lynch for today? yeah you're not even reading the game. On June 04 2015 08:08 ritoky wrote:
well his nydus read makes no sense. but i can't tell whether that makes him scum making up a read or just some guy who generally posts what immediately comes to mind before considering it. regardless it makes me less prone to trust the reads he is giving regardless of his alignment.
i have my worries about nydus cuz he disagrees with me on everything and got some super easy town reads for minimal stuff. but maybe that's just cuz he keeps calling me mafia.
i have some worries about scott which may legit be irl stuff like he said, but he is less pro-active and inquisitive this game. seems to be more concerned with fitting in and not being lynched which is pretty meh. but lots of people don't like scott...in fact no1 does. which might make him town.
chocolate might be mafia cuz VE says so and cuz he wants to policy lynch inactives over someone he developed a scum read on and i don't understand why.
last is probably ticktock but i couldn't tell you why. that one post i pointed out and couldn't explain it...dunno, it really bugged me and i haven't gotten over it LOL. that's literally the answer to your question not even 3 pages ago. but hey, largest filter in the game, probably most reads given of anyone...0 reads given...you got it bro. Those were your reads? Those all look pretty null to me. You have a lot of "worries" about people, and are unsure of me because of something you dont even get yourself... Here, maybe you can understand my point if I try to speak your language... ![[image loading]](https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5133/13953783092_54352f67f8_o.jpg) i am going to stop responding to you now. i will start saying very rude things rather than do anything worth while. needless to say i have a very low value of your opinion at this point. you could very well be mafia, and at best a donkey town. my reads are good. you should start listening to them at some point.
His next post detailed out his thoughts a little better so I gave it a pass at first. Since you are bringing up shifts in play I recalled this small oddity. Also, this "donkey town" comment is a weird insult I've seen from a few people over several games. I take it to mean I'm being a stubborn ass?
I found your post useless because the question was so open ended. It looked very passive and more like an effort to look active without actually doing anything.
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@GG
I'm liking your more recent posts more, despite the fact that your still gunning for me pretty hard. At least now I can confirm it's due to your own thinking and not some kinda sheep like i thought before. I'm not familiar enough with this "Chezinu" stuff to refute any of it, but my "vote" on ritoky was mostly random pressure to see if he's give us something more solid thanks to it.
I'm not sure I follow your thinking between Kick and myself and why one of us has to be mafia in your eyes. It seems kinda WIFOM to me, but maybe its from this trolly-response thing your taking really seriously?
Then there's this post. I don't get where your thinking is coming from here at all. I was never talking about Kick in that post, expect in reference to scotts post where he asks Kick about his other reads. And I never said I liked scotts push on Milo, I liked him calling out my own weak read on Milo.
I'm still having a very hard time understanding where you are coming from with your read on me and you misreading or misinterpreting my post there isn't helping. I have this feeling like you've just reached some pre-drawn conclusion about me at this point and are making excuses to keep it.
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On June 05 2015 02:25 Damdred wrote:
If we policy lynch id rather lynch SL than oneg though because oneg has tl family things
I could possibly get behind a policy lynch, but I'm still having a hard time understanding where GG is coming from. I'm not convinced he's town yet.
I think it's pretty odd that SL has been absent. There is possibly some out of game stuff going on behind that though (not sure how cool it is to talk about that stuff).
I'm pretty unimpressed with Onegu. I thought he's maybe respond a little last night when he bounced in but sadly Kick was the only one to respond to my silly response to his silliness.
Choco is another person I need to look at in more detail. His attitude towards voting VE plus his other weak scum reads after he said he prioritizes scum reads has me not too fond of him atm.
And I was also expecting a little more content from you EoD Damdred... at least you never took that 18-30hr leave of absence.
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On June 05 2015 03:11 Fidei86 wrote:
@Scott - could you explain what you mean by "he will shine his moments when need be"? Have you played with him before?
I'd like to know this as well. Something about Onegu's tone is making me not want to lynch him, but I have to admit his posts are total shit at this point.
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Heh, shoulda refreshed rather than hit post >.<
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I've been semi ignoring Nydus and Fidei, or at least haven't given any reads on them yet.
Nydus just looks null to me right now. Don't see anything that is raising flags to me, but is also skating by a little. Her formatting fail in the first 2 posts is oddly dominating her filter imo, but maybe that's just kus it's a short filter and I had to reread those posts.
I'm leaning town on Fidei. I'm prob going a little easy on him kus, being fairly new myself, I have a soft spot for newbies. I did really like how he responded to me calling his question to ritoky useless though.
All said and done my lynch list hasn't really changed since I posted it. I hope I'm putting aside my OMGUS reaction to GG with my vote on him, I realize that's probably biased my read, I'm just not understanding his thinking and he seems weirdly dead set on lynching me.
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On June 05 2015 03:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
This game is so weird, the people I DON'T expect to have reads on me do and the people I DO expect to have reads on me don't.
If it makes you feel better I'm going to have to drop my easy town read on you tomorrow and reread. Though I'm still pretty sure your town...
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On June 05 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote:
Can we lynch ks for voting GG dissapearing and not caring leading up to voe and having no real reads of his own. The nylis read he discarded under pressure and honestly besides shit fighting with me which he called omgus he has 0 follow up at this point or seemed to care that the people he wanted to give reads have given reads or not instead pushing a thread sentiment wagon onto GG
Is this because you disagree that GG is scummy?
Or are you just gunning for that Traffic Cop position Kick snagged at the start of this game?
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@Damdred
Well I'm reading Kick as pretty town so I'm not getting behind the idea of lynching him.
I am trying to get more about GG. I don't get his thinking, he is borderline tunneled on me imo, and up till his last few posts he seemed to be cherry picking posts to respond to while ignoring other stuff.
It's looking like he may bot be back for EoD so if I'm going to consider another lynch I need more to go on about him.
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On June 05 2015 04:05 ritoky wrote:
VE, do you know what i find to be the most compelling reason to stay on chocolate at the moment is?
that you or i are pretty much every single player in the game's #1 town read and yet we are the only 2 on this vote lol. that shit is blowing my mind....
I've been warming up to Damdred a little.
However I'm pretty sure you were right that you and I are not likely to be friends this game. This post from you just looks like your trying to strong arm the thread.
You also mentioned Kick is the 2nd loudest person this game.. I'm not sure if this was your opinion, but I def think you have been the loudest thus far.
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I'm not sure I care to dig up quotes from him and whatnot atm..
I don't mind Kicks entrance post. It's pretty NAI, though I'll admit I don't like how he throws out this line that's almost like he pre-targeted us.
So this is directed to everyone but specifically directed @ Damdred and Tictock:
Getting past that quote I've generally agreed with his reads on people, so that has me leaning town on him. The biggest thing to me that has me liking Kick is that he has acted as a voice of reason a few times when people start getting into arguments or tunneled. I don't recall the exact situation where I noticed him doing that.
Just his general demeanor and attitude has been to town's benefit. Even if I was null reading him I wouldn't lynch him today.
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On June 05 2015 04:13 ritoky wrote:
also @TT do you know what the chez rule is?
Just what scott posted before, which is apparently not the full deal?
I haven't had a chance to check into it myself.
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Ok found the thread about Chezinu stuff, I'll start looking it over now...
Any advice on what I should pay attn to to help me understand GG's thinking here?
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On June 05 2015 04:25 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 04:19 Tictock wrote:On June 05 2015 04:13 ritoky wrote:
also @TT do you know what the chez rule is? Just what scott posted before, which is apparently not the full deal? I haven't had a chance to check into it myself. Basically when people haven't met or don't know Chezinu and they experience the Chezinu experience for the first time they tend to think he is a giant troll who is completely useless. This usually results in someone saying something along the lines of "fuck this guy ##vote" and such sentiments. The first person who does this to Chezinu has demonstrated a % of being mafia near 90% or more. It is actually pretty ridiculous. The initial basis of Templar's scum read on you is based on this rule. He is saying that this game I was acting as Chezinu at the start of the game, and that you were the first person to effectively say "fuck this trollzy guy ##vote". Scott was trying to say you were playing the role of Chezinu, but I don't really see that.
Ah... what does the rule say if I was responding in an equally trolly manner?
My reaction was far from "Screw this, ##VOTE" was much more "Ok, lets play ##VOTE"
I had a similar reaction to Onegu.
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If you recall I unvoted you (well I never REALLY voted) in this manner
On June 03 2015 06:32 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 06:29 ritoky wrote:On June 03 2015 06:24 Kickstart wrote:On June 03 2015 06:10 Tictock wrote:
@ Kick
It has always been my policy to deal with inactives by reading their actual posts that much harder.
The idea is that if they are only willing to share a small amount of thoughts or thinking then we should take those posts even more literally/seriously. My point is that we need to foster an environment that doesn't allow inactivity, this is clearly the best environment to have and thus we should strive for it. How we will deal with people that are inactive anyways is another matter. Also people should, eventually, share most of their thoughts. Holding back your thoughts initially to build on them is fine, I already find some things scummy but I am waiting to add to this so as not to let the person/people I find scummy change what they are doing so soon. On June 03 2015 06:12 ritoky wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 03 2015 06:02 Kickstart wrote:I just want to go ahead and get this out. A good town environment is one in which no one is allowed to lurk or be passive and not post much of their thoughts. While I honestly don't know any of the players in this game I believe some are new so to them and to everyone else, you have to post. Whether you are 100% sure in your reads or not, posting is good for town. Even if your reads are wrong, being active is good for town to figure out the game. I refuse to allow the game to be a passive one where several people are lurking and not being active and contributing to the conversation because that automatically makes the game harder on town and lessens town's win chance. The 10 post per cycle rule enacted by the host is a good first step but I think it is up to us to make sure that people don't abuse the rule by just posting the minimum number of times and saying nothing of substance. Now what I said applies to every game of course, an active town is always better than a passive town with several lurkers; but I particularly wanted to lead in with this point because I already feel like we might be heading in the direction of a passive/inactive town. So this is directed to everyone but specifically directed @ Damdred and Tictock: Damdred and Tictock already posted before the start of the game that they might not be active. Here are Dam's and TT's posts I am referring to: Thankfully they have both said that they are just sort of busy at the start but will have more time and be more active. I just want to urge them both to be as active as they can from the start, that way everyone can gets reads on them and we don't let them both through just because they aren't active in the first phase but might be in the phases after. Just to be clear though, I am not accusing either of you nor am I suspicious of you for it, because those statements are clearly not alignment indicative because they were made before the game began and people had their roles. I am just saying that I refuse to allow the game to devolve into a passive town game with people lurking and posting nothing of substance and those events already have me worried that we may find ourselves in that position. So I urge you, along with everyone else, to be as active as you can, even if you are strapped for time. Now that that is out of the way, could those who have played in games with some of the other people in the game (or if you know them) tell me who the strong players? I haven't played mafia on here since 2012 so I have no idea who the good players are and I think knowing this is helpful. I know this request seems a bit scummy ("Oh you wan't to know who the good players are so you can get rid of them!") but I will just concede that and say that knowing who is good tells everyone that those players: a) should not be lurking because if they are good they are usually always active in their games (so if they are lurking and posting not much substance it will be suspicious), and, b) they would be valuable assets (so we should expect strong town play from them and we would expect mafia to try and get rid of them), both good pieces of information for town. That is all I have for now, get to posting and being active everyone! :D saw good town environment, stopped reading. ![[image loading]](http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h38/mrcrapinson/GregFart.gif~original) Can you clarify please? I think you mean you basically eyerolled at my post at the second line and didn't bother reading it. Could you clarify what you meant, and in the future not post your thought in the form of GIFs and images? It was a long post made immediately after the day post, which means it was planned and probably planned regardless of alignment. It says nothing about your alignment and only about some bs intentions you plan to traffic cop about to appear like you're doing shit for the game. I don't really care about reading more than a paragraph because it won't teach me anything about your alignment. I will continue to post pictures, deal with it. Crap, and I was like about ready to make that sure fire case on you too... ##UnvoteEven if the post was premade and is NAI, the content was at least good. Or do you have a different opinion about inactives ritoky?
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Ok, so then I think my comment about him being tunneled is fairly valid then?
Like he's simply going off the fact that I responded to you being trolly, not why or how...
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Also given that this is not my first game here I'm pretty sure I've had the "Chezinu Experience" before..
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Ok, well given what ritoky is telling me GG is tunneled on me based on some statistical play based on like some meta/physcology/easy-strat stuff. That means his stuff about me is pretty NAI then, and I should look at his other posts more.
When I do that that leaves half his filter and I don't find much content in that that I either like or agree with. Is there any reason why scum would not use this "chezinu" stuff to just make and stick to a read like he is doing?
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Ugh, I agree that Kick is posting too many walls of text that lack content for their size, but I'd really rather lynch someone who is not being a general asset to town.
So to me it is between GG and Choco atm.
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On June 05 2015 04:54 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 04:53 Tictock wrote:
Ugh, I agree that Kick is posting too many walls of text that lack content for their size, but I'd really rather lynch someone who is not being a general asset to town.
So to me it is between GG and Choco atm. is SL not an option? why so?
I have OGI that I've been asked not to share regarding that. Sorry, it's a weird situation.
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