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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 04 2015 16:54 GMT
#716
Also, the main reason I don't really have a read on VE/chocolate is I just don't find their interaction very meaningful or useful at all with regards to solving their alignment. In reading the thread it just didn't stick or to me or seem interesting at all. I would like to see their thoughts on myself/tictock/kickstart interaction and of damdred's vs scott's analysis of it.

While I was unable to really discern either damdred's or scott's analysis from their content regarding me/tictock/kickstart, I believe they have spent a lot of time focusing on it. One of them is probably mafia as well tbh.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 04 2015 16:55 GMT
#717
Although I am much less sure of one of them being mafia than I am that Tictock is probably mafia.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 04 2015 16:56 GMT
#718
Rather I should say, I am much more confident that there is one mafia in Tictock/Kickstarter (which I determined to be Tictock and towncleared Kickstarter as a result) than I am that there is one mafia between Scott/Damdred. I wouldn't really be surprised if they were both town but I refuse to believe both Tictock/Kickstarter are town).
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 04 2015 16:57 GMT
#719
Anyways the content has stopped I will stop rambling now.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 04 2015 16:58 GMT
#720
You should all vote on Tictock though.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 04 2015 17:13 GMT
#726
You think all 5 of us are just all misguided town? really?
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 04 2015 17:13 GMT
#727
Can you give a little more?
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 05 2015 02:57 GMT
#925
On June 05 2015 02:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Temp will you explain your Milo townread plz? It's been around since the beginning and you've never explained it, and I've been steadily pushing on milo since like 4 hours into the game. It seems to me like you'd have more of a read on me than "I don't find the Chocolate/VE interaction to be very telling" since I've been pushing on one of your stronger townreads.


I suppose you're right I never did explain it (I thought I made a post on it but can't find it anyways). I sort of just read the way in which he was posting as genuinely honest I guess I thought I quoted the exact post where I 'townread him' but I guess I didn't.

On June 05 2015 03:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I expected GGTemplar to try and read me FIRST, because I'd say that of everyone here, he probably knows my play the best - I've mentored him in Video mafia and we've played together on All-Stars. But it's like he's been ignoring my posts...only interacting with me when I DEMAND his attention. It's really odd and plays into my mafia read on him.

It's kinda the opposite with Nydus, I didn't really expect Nydus to try and read me first considering we barely play together anymore and we haven't had many actual "post-game" interactions so-to-speak. But he read me relatively quickly (though he DID state reservation to reading me) and that kinda plays into my townread of him.


I really like your analysis of my interaction with you this game it reads very townie to me if you're doing it as mafia you've done a great job replicating how I think you would feel as town.

I have always been told I play very differently on the forum medium versus video medium of mafia. I also believe that, as a general rule, people are going to play differently across these medium and, at least with regards to how I scumhunt in both mediums, I believe 'tells' that you might have on one person in video-mafia and 'metareads' on a player aren't exactly the best way to read the game. I never considered myself to have a 'strong' read on you either in videomafia, sometimes I read you well, sometimes I don't. For that reason, if I am mafia and you are town, rather than attempt to fabricate an easy 'I think VE is town' read and go for a pocket, I merely avoided giving a read on you because, as I said before, I am largely uninterested in your push on Chocolate and don't really have a read on either of you from it.

That being said, I am mildly inclined to believe you are town for the post quoted above.

On June 05 2015 04:22 Kickstart wrote:
Well I am back, took me a bit to reread through the thread. :waves at Damdred:. Don't like Damdred railing on me at all and I still don't think he has given us what he promised earlier in the day, but I will save that for cycle 2.

Don't know how much time we have so I will make this quick, I actually really like GGT's posting and defense recently, and on the complete opposite end I think Chocolate's has been just terrible. It doesn't seem like there will be enough support for a milo vote, and I agree that while SL does seem off, there should be enough information to work with to go for someone else at the moment. I would just like to say that I don't like Onegus posting either, but I asked about it and everyone who has played with him tells me that this is normal from him, so I won't vote him today but if he continues like this I would never allow it to get towards the end of the game if this is all his posting is like. Also wan't to note that my two town reads are both on Chocolate, and that chocolate has put his vote on Onegu which will tell us nothing, which I find odd.

I posted my initial concerns on him earlier and like I said his defense of himself has not been good at all, I can explain more later if necessary.

##Unvote
##Vote: Chocolate


Multiple people, including this now confirmed town and another strong town read of mine (ritoky) have now posted speaking very positively of my recent posting yet Tictock continues to insist that it 'doesn't make sense'. I readily assume that if this many people are capable of reacting positively to it while TT continues to insist a tentative read in regards to my push on him, wanting to push back on me, but having too many people speak positively of my posting, that it would be natural for a mafia to be inclined to feign 'confusion' rather than continue to 'tunnel back against me' or 'flop on me and read me as town'.

Also, I would like to point out that in the end, my conclusion to townread Kickstarter was correct. I say this to promote the integrity of my reads so I can get other villagers to follow me when I say 'vote ticktock' and 'I will add kickstarter to my town list' so that you people stop lynching my townreads and I'm not the only one voting my scumread at EOD.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 05 2015 03:02 GMT
#926
Actually sicklucker was voting on Tictock as well.

More reason to like him imo.

I am going to say based on Onegu's play and his push on damdred, one of them is likely mafia. The way Onegu is playing though there will not really be a way to get an accurate read on him, therefore it's going to be up to Damdred to project town to discern which of them is mafia.

That being said, I already made sure to do this in the vote thread so here it is here as well

##Vote: Tictock
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 05 2015 03:50 GMT
#928
Just to make my logic a little more clear on the Onegu-Damdred situation since nothing else is happening -

Onegu is basically playing a game that is going to be very hard to discern his alignment. He probably has really strong reasons for thinking Damdred is mafia if Onegu is actually town (it would be nice if he could share these instead of just claiming 'amazing at this game').

So my logic can be summed up as 'onegu is likely town with very good reasons for thinking that Damdred is mafia and I have no read on Damdred despite the quantity of his posting so it more likely correct than not"

or

Onegu is just lazy mafia.

I know that isn't really a read but I've already given a bunch of reads and who I think should be lynched today (or preferably vigi-shot tbh, that is Tictock).

I would love for the vigi to shoot Tictock thank you.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 05 2015 03:52 GMT
#930
Onegu if you're town it would be great if you could lay out why Damdred is mafia though.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 05 2015 03:55 GMT
#931
I didn't vote on Kickstart. In fact I came around and called him town and encouraged everyone to vote Tictock.

I still don't have anything on Chocolate.

I don't necessarily scumread Onegu or Damdred to be clear, I just think there is likely one mafia between them and they both need to step up (this is more-so directed at Onegu in particular as he has posted very little and is just riding the 'im good at this game sheep me' card)
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 05 2015 04:02 GMT
#933
When have you ever known me to intentionally pocket someone.

I don't think it's a good strategy at all as mafia I just try to read the game as if I was town, if I am townreading a town as mafia it's likely because I think I would be reading them as town if I was town, not because I am trying to 'pocket' them.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 05 2015 04:02 GMT
#934
Also, losing jailer is pretty bad.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 05 2015 04:03 GMT
#935
I didn't just not vote on Kickstart, I called him town and told everyone to vote on Tictock.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 05 2015 10:13 GMT
#951
I really hate how scott just says to three people "shit post" "crappy if you're town" "playing shit this game" etc.

Like I'm not reading you any townier for the aggro if you're town I'm actually less inclined to listen to you if you're just going to spam ad hominem.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 05 2015 10:14 GMT
#952
Also Nydus's/Milo's recent posts incline me to continue reading them as town, especially Milo's. It's all just worded very honestly.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 05 2015 10:17 GMT
#953
Vigi plz shoot Tictock.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 05 2015 11:25 GMT
#955
So we have to lynch TT before we can kill scott or damdred? great...
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 05 2015 12:19 GMT
#960
The principle behind it metaphorically applies. It's a trend for less experienced mafia to target a specific style of play for an easy misslynch/scumread.
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