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Tictock
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On June 17 2015 05:26 scott31337 wrote: Just look at it from my point of view and you would understand - And I could say the same thing... This stance is not very helpful and is just you digging your heals in the sand. | ||
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Tictock
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Ah yea that post. Pretty sure I was townreading scott from it as well at that point in time. He was the first person to spell out the Chez rule for me and I agreed that GG was looking really scummy that day. I probably would have been townreading scott going into D4 as well if it weren't for his posts N3 and the case Damdred brought up on him. Do you disagree with the points I raised in this post? or the follow up post? I was surprised I found as much scummy stuff as I did in his filter, but maybe I was getting confirmation bias since I was kinda looking for scummy posts. | ||
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Tictock
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On June 17 2015 05:42 Tictock wrote: @VE Ah yea that post. Pretty sure I was townreading scott from it as well at that point in time. He was the first person to spell out the Chez rule for me and I agreed that GG was looking really scummy that day. I probably would have been townreading scott going into D4 as well if it weren't for his posts N3 and the case Damdred brought up on him. Do you disagree with the points I raised in this post? or the follow up post? I was surprised I found as much scummy stuff as I did in his filter, but maybe I was getting confirmation bias since I was kinda looking for scummy posts. Should be this one http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486008-holy-guardians-chapter-1?page=97#1937 | ||
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Tictock
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On June 17 2015 05:49 scott31337 wrote: Oh I see. There's nothing I can say I have not already about my drunken fail post I have not already, I was frustrated at the game at the time. A regret that won't happen in the future. I'm asking you to dismiss them, but not make the wagon on me D4 off of one post. Yea... it wasn't ONE post... It was several posts that gave me the willies. It was the case made by Damdred. It was my filter dive on Damdred that had me convinced he was town. It was my filter dive on Scott that convinced me he is Mafia. So yea, 5 min to go, time to watch Scott flip red I think  | ||
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Tictock
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Holy crap I can't believe I survived that game! Scumread and voted on everyday but I managed to survive! Was super worried when I rolled scum and saw my team was all newbies with me. Sorry I got frustrated at you Milo when you wanted to concede after Nydus got lynched, but I think I proved my point eh? Never give up Never surrender! Milo I think you owe everyone an explanation as to your unvote D1, lol I don't even think I get it still. Did you think that by having the votes tied it would cause a revote or something? GG Nydus, dude I was so sure you were going to get pinged out like you did with your play. Somehow you kept yourself from being focused till LyLo though so thats super impressive. Pretty sure if I had been town I woulda pushed you much more than Choco though. Whew, playing this right after the last newbie game has me fairly burnt out. I think I'll hold off playing in one of these games again. | ||
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Tictock
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It has been a frustrating weekend >.< | ||
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Tictock
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Damdred was all too willing to play the EoD vote switch shenanigans (and I warned Nydus about the possibility of him being pinged out by that D4), so it was all up to how well I could convince VE. Milo did a great job picking up his posting D5 I thought too, woulda liked to have seen him posting like that all game long though. | ||
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Tictock
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On June 17 2015 06:10 Shendelzare wrote: Tictock deserved his win though, that was insane. Too bad for town. I apologize for being evil and suggesting we kill you the night you got swapped in ^.^ You had me a bit too worried when you pinged Nydus with that vote w/e day it was so kinda felt like we had to kill you the following Night. | ||
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Tictock
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On June 17 2015 06:13 scott31337 wrote: Hope you got it mostly taken care of. Thanks buddy. Yea it's mostly in shape. Problem is the area I live in has been getting record rains for the past month, so it's a problem for a TON of people. Like you can't rent pumps or find alot of the equipment you'd need because it's an issue almost everyone is facing. Thankfully I had some family who had a pump they could lend us as well as a few extra hands to carry out stuff. | ||
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Tictock
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Damdred pushing KS D1 was amazing luck for our team. That woulda been game changing. Kick has hopefully learned the importance of claiming earlier, though in fairness we would have RB/Killed him that night regardless. Not to be mean, or w/e but Choco and GG really need to pick up their town game. You guys kinda got yourselves lynched more than my team pushing on you, it did make our lives easier so thanks for that ^.^ I was much more worried about VE wanting to push Milo D5 there, or that Scott and Onegu would make a better case on either of us. I think it was a mistake for you two to not push points outside of D4 votes as that fed into the Fiction I was creating about you two. It def helped that VE was clearly already on that line of thought. | ||
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Tictock
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On June 17 2015 06:28 Fidei86 wrote: Also I was really surprised when it was clear TT and scott weren't on the same team. You guys really need to get a mafia room :-p Not sure what you mean by this... You were that sure we were on a team? I kept giving Scott easy townreads w/o much thought and he kept saying he didn't believe I could be playing like I was as scum w/o support + Show Spoiler + Was all me baby! Milo and Nydus did their fair share, but I played to my own style and thinking. | ||
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Tictock
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On June 17 2015 06:33 Damdred wrote: Why didn't anyone quote me more about ho I said Milo had to die that was really disappointing. When I'm that sure and he ignores me he's scum. Q.q Anyway gg Lol I was worried about that too (obv I wasn't going to, though lol). You did make that one post right before we NK'd you that said something like "Milo should be the lynch tomorrow. Maybe scott still, idk" I woulda brought that up if someone had done that. | ||
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Tictock
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On June 17 2015 06:36 Fidei86 wrote: I was pretty sure you were mafia by the end, because the mafia had killed everyone else who could string a coherent sentence together, but you were still there with your filter dives. Ouch, I thought Damdred and VE were still very much so people I was worried about since they have experience and good reasoning. I actually recommend you look through the QT we had (milo posted the link) and see what we were thinking when we planned our NK's. It was never a simple decision and we kept trying to weigh how NKs would affect the following day. I def think trying to figure out why scum make NK's is dangerous WIFOM territory while you are in game and don't have much knowledge. Don't dismiss those thoughts, but don't base reads off them either. Just my 2 cents. | ||
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Tictock
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Was reading Obs QT, and was wondering what you meant by this It also really bothered me that tt was so a f2f k the whole game,lol Also HtS had OGI that unfairly influenced her obs read of me  I'd been hoping to roll town or another blue this game, as I felt a bit worn out after NSMX. When I saw that I rolled GF and my team wasn't very experienced I figured I'd play as towny as I could while not pinging out my team (though I was ready to bus them right away, lol). I think scotts argument about me being alive too long woulda worked to bring me down if I had had to buss Milo D5. I mean, I prob would have needed to concede if VE swapped to Milo as then the reality of him and I being a team was too clear. I really wanted to try and push a world where Onegu/Milo coulda been a team, or Scott/Milo to see if Onegu would give up his townread on scott. That was actually what I was hoping for with my team/logic post but when I was writing it it became clear that the votes D4 disproved a lot of team possibilities. | ||
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GB added both QTs to the Endgame post. @GB I'm looking forward to your post-per-post analysis Also I would read flavor if you went back to add it in *nudge nudge* | ||
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On June 17 2015 15:12 Damdred wrote: Negative you unvoting and voting chocolate would of had a different result as you wouldn't of been off the table for a couple cycles. I'm not mad at all or anything you guys played great I totally agree with Damdred here, it makes a lot more sense for scum to swap to choco as it is easy towncred but changes little about town losing the blue role. I highly doubt rit or many other players would have given Milo so much towncred had it not been for the threat of the modkill there. It was the risk of what looked like (and kinda was from Milo's post game post about this) a paniced Unvote with no follow up vote that made the move so towny. If you noitice I was not only freaking out at Milo in QT but I held off reading him ingame for this move till I saw that rit and others felt it was so towny. I would have had no issues bussing Milo D2 or D3 had he simply revoted Choco since the scum logic of that move was so much more clear cut. With the way things played out I tried to push the logic that Milo couldn't be scum there unless Choco was also scum D3. I really hoped that IF and ONLY IF logic would not only help push Choco for lynch but help secure Milo's towncred when Choco fliped. I can't help but wonder how the game would have played out if D1 had ended with 2 ModKills, a Choco lynch, and a KS NightKill. I bet town would win in that situation as GG and Choco were perfect mislynches for my team. Also damdred & rit working together as town, with Shen and VE ... Scary for a newbie scum team. Onegu would have been my top push in that world, though I would possibly would have bussed the living hell out of nydus there as well. | ||
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Tictock
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However, since this was my first game as Mafia I'm fairly interested in what had people scumreading me this game. I understood GG's reason given the Chez rule stuff, though I think his approach needs some work. Chez thrives off reactive reading from what i can gather, so I think the way that you ignored my responses regardless of you being right or not about me was bad play. Since the rest of GG's scum reads were so far off I kinda take it that it was luck that you pinged me out. Also I have no issues voting rit like I did as town, so yea... I'm not so clear on why other people had issues with my play early on. I guess I was able to turn those opinions around on my own, but still wondering what people saw that made them think I was scum. In my own opinion the only really telling things were how I kept scumming Nydus but never really pushed him (thankfully that described about half the players) and my attempt to push Damdred off the D1 mislynch. Other than a few other small things like that I was really just trying to play my town game. Oh, btw statements like this cracked me up all game long. If you are scum TicTock you deserve the win from how much you improved, so let's throw that out. | ||
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Tictock
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On June 18 2015 07:15 Fidei86 wrote: VE - no worries. It's tough being the only one left stuck in between two warring factions. Just remember for next time - ALWAYS LYNCH TICKTOCK :-) Hey now... That might be fair if I'm not catching scum... I actually have a pretty good history of catching scum D1. Though I also get tunneled sometimes and that can effect my reads pretty badly. I'll be keeping that in mind the next time I roll Mafia though ^.^ Also pretty likely I'll be changing up me meta whenever I decide to /in another game. This was my 3rd game of Mafia ever btw ( forum based or otherwise) so I'm still learning a lot. | ||
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