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On May 25 2015 13:26 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 13:18 sandroba wrote:
? You can simply read what went on in the eod 1. Not sure what your point is here. I'm also growing extremelly annoyed of this shit damdred is doing postponing his thoughts to the latest time possible. -_- my point was that i didn't see a bunnies switch as as inevitable as you were painting it out to be, though when i thought about it more that doesn't matter really so lol >< just ignore me. i see your point now. she should have been more interested in getting you lynched sooner if she was that sure about geript
Or even argue against a geript lynch since "she would never lynch geript". She was there around the deadline and not doing it. Also it doesn't line up with how she felt about geript the whole game (unsure about who was scum between me/geript acording to her). She only started talking when she was up for consideration as a lynch.
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Ehhhh I have had a really bad weekend so I'll just do whatever until I have tike/drive lynch me if you want I'll give thoughts when I feel up to it
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I definitely would if not for the existance of nb. I guess you have till the next lynch to feel inspired enough to play.
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Honestly lynching NB isn't as cut and dry as you make it.
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 22 2015 11:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 08:13 ritoky wrote:On May 22 2015 08:11 rsoultin wrote:On May 22 2015 08:10 ritoky wrote:On May 22 2015 08:08 rsoultin wrote:On May 22 2015 08:07 ritoky wrote:On May 22 2015 08:04 rsoultin wrote:On May 22 2015 08:04 ritoky wrote:
who bores you rsoul? damdy :/ and hf lol >< who might actually be the best lynch free brownie points if you can tell me why! cuz he said he was going to afk and concede if he rolled 3p in pregame? meh. hf is the kinda guy who can't help himself. he tried afking in a game previously, then someone called him mafia and he flipped shit and never stopped posting until he was nk'd. he will sort himself out over time, you just gotta keep prodding him. interesting. I am bored by poopfeast, poop points if you can tell me why!~ close but no cigar xD oh oh oh channeling a damdy because he's boring? xP do you laugh at your own jokes irl? I feel like you do. i detect a hint of mockery in there somewhere xP once I was told subtlety is attractive in a man. I think that bitch lied to me....so I married her and gave her a kid. I am cruel. Ritoky is married? There goes my dreams out the window. Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 08:21 sandroba wrote:
Hello. Can we pretend there is still a posting restriction? Why do that? Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 08:27 sandroba wrote:
If you guys are going to post a lot nonsense regardless at least make yourself obvious town by though. I have managed to get 0 town reads so far. I have gotten 0 townread vibes off of you. Why don't YOU post more? What is this accomplishing if you just complain and not actually try and find mafia? Top mafia read atm. I like holyflare's read against Geript. Geript calls me mafia for different posts in two different games, but doesn't give anything back when I question him on it. Then afks. This isn't very townie Geript. I expected Geript to actually push on his scum read-even if it's me, atleast it is more townie of him than what he is currently doing now. @Geript, when you gonna join a DM game again? Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 10:43 geript wrote:
I think Damdred's Mafia. Rsoultin's doing a very similar thing to what she did in Ver's game. Yet Damdred gives no read on her. Specifically he stuck by the rsoultin read and defended it despite multiple people, myself included, disagreed with it that early. Instead he gives a very random and wholly unsupported read on Ritoky. And it's a very loose read at that. It's something he can change at will or whim. He's just super passive compared to how I usually think of Damdred who just says what he thinks and doesn't give a fuck about what people think about him.
Sandroba has a decent chance of being scum as well. He just sort of popped in and complained about the stupid posting that's been going on. The fact that he hasn't found a single read to the point at which he posted is the thing that most concerns me. He's usually very good at finding minor things to townread people on. In the least I'd imagine that he'd think rsoultin is town considering the similarities between her posting in this game and Ver's (despite the post restriction).
I still think Ninjabunnies is mafia for her opening. Her coming back to basically defend something that shouldn't be important at all and she's experienced enough to know that the opening could be trolling bugs me. This post here makes me think Geript might actually be town, if not neutral for now. The top read on Damdred seems to come from a townie perspective, thought I don't know the meta of Rsoul. The read on Sandroba is basically the same as mine, so we are thinking alike. Of course he's wrong on me. Those are reads I have now. I'm open to questions. On May 22 2015 22:25 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 12:54 rsoultin wrote:
lol leaning town on va, too, though there may be some bias involved xP
gonna hold off on sandy till i double-check the geript meta...can you elaborate on why you think the read may be contrived, bunnies? I'm unsure what you mean by this question rsoul. Can you explain a little bit more. @Geript, Okay, I actually like your post on Sand there. Though I'm unsure of the meta you are using. Curious though, why all the yelling. I mean i've seen you go ham in previous games, but not like this. How sure ar eyou on Sand being mafia? On May 23 2015 07:31 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 04:04 ritoky wrote:I really really don't like this bolded part: On May 22 2015 22:51 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 22 2015 22:31 rsoultin wrote:On May 22 2015 22:25 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 22 2015 12:54 rsoultin wrote:
lol leaning town on va, too, though there may be some bias involved xP
gonna hold off on sandy till i double-check the geript meta...can you elaborate on why you think the read may be contrived, bunnies? I'm unsure what you mean by this question rsoul. Can you explain a little bit more. @Geript, Okay, I actually like your post on Sand there. Though I'm unsure of the meta you are using. Curious though, why all the yelling. I mean i've seen you go ham in previous games, but not like this. How sure ar eyou on Sand being mafia? lol apparently not enough to actually vote him xP bueno On May 22 2015 12:50 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 22 2015 12:40 rsoultin wrote:On May 22 2015 12:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 22 2015 11:54 rsoultin wrote:
oh, bunnies, walk me through your scumread on sandy when you get the chance?
please and thank you ^^ I pretty much layed it out in my previous posts. Lack of trying to figure out game, complaining about everyone else not doing anything, then afking. On May 22 2015 11:57 ritoky wrote:On May 22 2015 11:42 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 22 2015 11:29 ritoky wrote:
bunnies what do you make of sandroba's posts after his complaint post; and his lack of response to geript asking him for reasons? Idk, like 3 trs, and nothing else. it seems honestly just passive. As in he is trying to seem like he is contributing, but is contributing nothing is that very different from his norm? is he not normally a passive player? I dont think ive ever played with sandy, so......Not sure and now? And now, I'm curious as to why sand is coming out so hard on Geript. Not that I don't agree with the read, but is he just pushing on geript cause there has been pressure on him, and he wants to try and get pressure off of him to someone else.This is what I'm currently trying to figure out... Looking at the questions people are posing to him, and his reactions I might take him off of top mafia and lean towards neutral. the bolded portion implies that you think he may be making up his read on geript? do you have a specific reason to think that or is it just paranoia? It's mostly just paranoia and me viewing him as mafia. So as him being mafia, I can see why he would push pressure off of him and onto someone else. He was getting pressure for not having reads, then BAM. Just comes out with reads right after this pressure on him. I also just dont know how to read this now, because geript is pushing equally as much onto Sand. I feel like this is going to be a mexican standoff. Like if one gets lynched as town, we lynch the other. lol seems like pre-emptively trying to push thread direction. Sorry, I guess I didn't explain this very well.. From the interactions between both Geript and Sand that I have seen, I believe there is one mafia between the two. I don't see them going so hard on each other being both town. Therefore, if one is town, more than likely the other is mafia. So yes, pre-emptively pushing thread direction in the direction I believe will get us a mafia. On May 23 2015 07:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So I'll try and get everything straight.
Yes, there are a lot of holes in the sand read, but I don't post everything I think at the time. It's alll a jumbled mess in my head that I try and get on paper.
Sand read- Mafia
Why- Comes into thread complaining, has no town reads, when I call sand out on said reads and put pressure on Sand for not having any reads, Sand comes out with case on Geript. This seemed to me like Sand was putting pressure on someone else on because I was pushing pressure on him for no having reads.
Geript Read- Possible Mafia
Why- The initial reason why I called Geript mafia is for his read saying that I used two different entrances in two different games I am currently playing. While I think that this isn't alignment indicative, apparently Geript did so. I questioned and made a comment on it, geript (and someone else) calling it me being defensive, but I thought it was a genuine reaction. The reason why I switched Geript to neutral, maybe town, was because his read on Sand aligned with mine, I also liked the read he gave on Damdred and Rsoul. I know I'm town, and if he is thinking along the lines I am, he could possibly be town. But I didn't call him out right town.
The 1maf/1town read- Usually in video mafia when people go against each other like Geript and Sand are, one is mafia one is town. I rarely see two town fighting as such. So yeah, they could both be town prp, but to me this seems highly unlikely. Like they are only focusing on each other, and not really looking outside of each other. It just seems very weird, so that is where my mind is at..
Other Reads
HF-Town
FF- Town
Rsoul- neutral- seems like mostly filler stuff. Idk the meta here or why people are reading as town.
Fuba- expected more out of, but would put neutral
Mafia- Ritoky is leaning mafia for me,
Onegu- I actually really like onegu. Not necessarily the best cases he has presented, but I think everything he has done comes from a townie perspective.
On May 24 2015 00:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I also said there's prob one mafia between them. I just like geript more than sand. On May 24 2015 06:50 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 06:47 rsoultin wrote:
it's a bunnies! \o/
do you have like a single person you'd lynch other than geript or are you too drunk to care? Onegu/Sand/ wouldnt lynch geript ever.
???
are we reading the same game, sandy?
the only change i can see is the intensity of the read
bunnies, if you ever decide to grace us with your presence ^^ who were you referring to here?
On May 24 2015 07:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'm hardclaiming a role. Vig don't shoot me thanks.
If cop wants to check me, go ahead.
I'll give my reads later on.
I didn't want to lynch geript for who was voting on him.
As of now, im going to enjoy family time and let you all stew over which role i am.
Hint: I softed throughout this entire game basically to ritoky....
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On May 25 2015 13:32 Damdred wrote:
Ehhhh I have had a really bad weekend so I'll just do whatever until I have tike/drive lynch me if you want I'll give thoughts when I feel up to it
:/
sorry your weekend sucked? i linked picture of half-naked dancer lady? xD
seriously, though, i don't understand your eod
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Like I was just thinking about the nb claim and the softing that she was blue to ritoky who she thinks is mafia. And if she is actually the vet it sort of makes sense to me.
Its part of the reason I think i'd rather not lynch NB today (and agree with hf assessment to save NB till last) if she is a role mafia is never going to shoot her last night anyway. They could potentially role block her due to the fear of being another role hiding, if anything they shoot her tonight since they can't rb twice in a row or wait till n3 and rb+shoot in case they are really scared of the vet being in the game.
Either way HF is right and that we need to save NB to the last lynch, it forces mafia to shoot her at some point if she is a power role and we get to hunt mafia besides her and get information that way.
I disagree with her claiming vet in the thread like she did, I wont' go over my idea of balance but it is what it is. But it is what it is and I don't think we should lynch her today.
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On May 25 2015 13:50 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 13:32 Damdred wrote:
Ehhhh I have had a really bad weekend so I'll just do whatever until I have tike/drive lynch me if you want I'll give thoughts when I feel up to it :/ sorry your weekend sucked? i linked picture of half-naked dancer lady? xD seriously, though, i don't understand your eod
Probably wont' totally understand it, as I don't even remember what exactly I was thinking during it, it was a really tough end of day and I didn't know where I wanted my vote to go till very nearly eod and at that point my boss distracted me.
I was torn between lynching Oneg/fuba and trying to push that angle and consolidating with the rest of the thread. At that point I felt like I couldn't really lynch into the oneg/fuba type players because of so many afk votes and our options were extremely limited I think between Geript and basically bunnies unless you moved about.
So I had to decide to do my own thing or get the scummier person lynched, I thought it was bunnies
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On May 24 2015 06:50 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 06:47 rsoultin wrote:
it's a bunnies! \o/
do you have like a single person you'd lynch other than geript or are you too drunk to care? Onegu/Sand/ wouldnt lynch geript ever.
If you read the things you have quoted you can see that this comment (right before geript was going to be lynched and flip green) does not make sense with what she was saying previously.
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On May 23 2015 07:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So I'll try and get everything straight.
Yes, there are a lot of holes in the sand read, but I don't post everything I think at the time. It's alll a jumbled mess in my head that I try and get on paper.
Sand read- Mafia
Why- Comes into thread complaining, has no town reads, when I call sand out on said reads and put pressure on Sand for not having any reads, Sand comes out with case on Geript. This seemed to me like Sand was putting pressure on someone else on because I was pushing pressure on him for no having reads.
Geript Read- Possible Mafia
Why- The initial reason why I called Geript mafia is for his read saying that I used two different entrances in two different games I am currently playing. While I think that this isn't alignment indicative, apparently Geript did so. I questioned and made a comment on it, geript (and someone else) calling it me being defensive, but I thought it was a genuine reaction. The reason why I switched Geript to neutral, maybe town, was because his read on Sand aligned with mine, I also liked the read he gave on Damdred and Rsoul. I know I'm town, and if he is thinking along the lines I am, he could possibly be town. But I didn't call him out right town.
The 1maf/1town read- Usually in video mafia when people go against each other like Geript and Sand are, one is mafia one is town. I rarely see two town fighting as such. So yeah, they could both be town prp, but to me this seems highly unlikely. Like they are only focusing on each other, and not really looking outside of each other. It just seems very weird, so that is where my mind is at..
Other Reads
HF-Town
FF- Town
Rsoul- neutral- seems like mostly filler stuff. Idk the meta here or why people are reading as town.
Fuba- expected more out of, but would put neutral
Mafia- Ritoky is leaning mafia for me,
Onegu- I actually really like onegu. Not necessarily the best cases he has presented, but I think everything he has done comes from a townie perspective.
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On May 25 2015 13:59 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 06:50 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 24 2015 06:47 rsoultin wrote:
it's a bunnies! \o/
do you have like a single person you'd lynch other than geript or are you too drunk to care? Onegu/Sand/ wouldnt lynch geript ever. If you read the things you have quoted you can see that this comment (right before geript was going to be lynched and flip green) does not make sense with what she was saying previously.
i did read it? she made it pretty clear she thought there was 1 scum between the two of you and you were that scum pretty much all game, so i'm not sure what you're getting at here -_- unless it's the "ever" part, which again goes back to intensity
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On May 25 2015 13:55 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 13:50 rsoultin wrote:On May 25 2015 13:32 Damdred wrote:
Ehhhh I have had a really bad weekend so I'll just do whatever until I have tike/drive lynch me if you want I'll give thoughts when I feel up to it :/ sorry your weekend sucked? i linked picture of half-naked dancer lady? xD seriously, though, i don't understand your eod Probably wont' totally understand it, as I don't even remember what exactly I was thinking during it, it was a really tough end of day and I didn't know where I wanted my vote to go till very nearly eod and at that point my boss distracted me. I was torn between lynching Oneg/fuba and trying to push that angle and consolidating with the rest of the thread. At that point I felt like I couldn't really lynch into the oneg/fuba type players because of so many afk votes and our options were extremely limited I think between Geript and basically bunnies unless you moved about. So I had to decide to do my own thing or get the scummier person lynched, I thought it was bunnies
actually that makes sense cause it kinda was where i was at, especially with geript's later posting :/ apart from who i wanted to lynch, anyway xP
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On May 25 2015 14:01 sandroba wrote:Also : Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 07:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So I'll try and get everything straight.
Yes, there are a lot of holes in the sand read, but I don't post everything I think at the time. It's alll a jumbled mess in my head that I try and get on paper.
Sand read- Mafia
Why- Comes into thread complaining, has no town reads, when I call sand out on said reads and put pressure on Sand for not having any reads, Sand comes out with case on Geript. This seemed to me like Sand was putting pressure on someone else on because I was pushing pressure on him for no having reads.
Geript Read- Possible Mafia
Why- The initial reason why I called Geript mafia is for his read saying that I used two different entrances in two different games I am currently playing. While I think that this isn't alignment indicative, apparently Geript did so. I questioned and made a comment on it, geript (and someone else) calling it me being defensive, but I thought it was a genuine reaction. The reason why I switched Geript to neutral, maybe town, was because his read on Sand aligned with mine, I also liked the read he gave on Damdred and Rsoul. I know I'm town, and if he is thinking along the lines I am, he could possibly be town. But I didn't call him out right town.
The 1maf/1town read- Usually in video mafia when people go against each other like Geript and Sand are, one is mafia one is town. I rarely see two town fighting as such. So yeah, they could both be town prp, but to me this seems highly unlikely. Like they are only focusing on each other, and not really looking outside of each other. It just seems very weird, so that is where my mind is at..
Other Reads
HF-Town
FF- Town
Rsoul- neutral- seems like mostly filler stuff. Idk the meta here or why people are reading as town.
Fuba- expected more out of, but would put neutral
Mafia- Ritoky is leaning mafia for me,
Onegu- I actually really like onegu. Not necessarily the best cases he has presented, but I think everything he has done comes from a townie perspective.
well now i know you just read the spoiler and didn't go back to her filter lol ><
there's some weird shit in her filter for sure, but i don't like that you seem to be just picking things out of context to suit your story
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On May 23 2015 07:59 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 07:51 prplhz wrote:@27ninjabunnies Please expand on that Onegu read. You say it's not his best case + Show Spoiler +His entire case is:
Onegu gut read?
Or the fact that her Sandroba read points are bad. Who cares he doesnt have any town reads. I dont either. Doesnt make me scum. so what makes you "really like" Onegu? "everything he has done comes from a townie perspective" is really just saying that he's town because he's town. To be honest, I thought he made a read on rsoul, but I was actually remembering a different read on rsoul from someone else. He just voted rsoul. So, I don't have an actual basis for what he has done. His filter is actually mostly filler and I'm vt. He could be town, but idk. Hasn't done anything. I'll try and find that read on rsoul that I really liked and see who it was from tho. MY b. But I do have something to say about onegu.. Why did people jump on the bw for a gut read? That's curious to me. Like I don't care I'm being voted. But, why jump on the bw? Sand did it. You made atleast a case on me, I guess.
for reference
not that she ever did find what read she supposedly thought was his -_- bueno
i don't think this is getting us anywhere, to be frank
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Day 2 Vote Count
27ninjabunnies (6): prplhz, sandroba, rsoultin, Fecalfeast, fuba, Alakaslam
Damdred (1): VayneAuthority
Not voted (4): 27ninjabunnies, Damdred, ritoky, Onegu
Currently, 27ninjabunnies is set to be executed. Day 2 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
The voting thread is located here.
Posting after the deadline and before the flip will result in a modkill.
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-_-
Let me sum it up for you:
She ramdonly declares that one of us is mafia. Makes no sense.
She thinks that based on her random declaration, I'm more likely mafia (again randomly because I've asked her to say why I'm mafia after I disputed her first post and she never did) but she scum reads both of us.
Says that everything onegu has done comes from a townie perspective (if you filter onegu up to the point she posted it I doubt you will arrive at the same conclusion)
10 min before the lynch says she wouldn't lynch geript ever, despite having scum read him all day and have not defended him against the lynch if she did change her mind. Also says she would lynch me / onegu (whom has done everything coming from a townie perspective according to her).
I'm amazed you can't spot the lack of congruence here.
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On May 25 2015 13:53 Damdred wrote:
Like I was just thinking about the nb claim and the softing that she was blue to ritoky who she thinks is mafia. And if she is actually the vet it sort of makes sense to me.
Its part of the reason I think i'd rather not lynch NB today (and agree with hf assessment to save NB till last) if she is a role mafia is never going to shoot her last night anyway. They could potentially role block her due to the fear of being another role hiding, if anything they shoot her tonight since they can't rb twice in a row or wait till n3 and rb+shoot in case they are really scared of the vet being in the game.
Either way HF is right and that we need to save NB to the last lynch, it forces mafia to shoot her at some point if she is a power role and we get to hunt mafia besides her and get information that way.
I disagree with her claiming vet in the thread like she did, I wont' go over my idea of balance but it is what it is. But it is what it is and I don't think we should lynch her today.
last post tonight i think since it's late and i appear to be talking to myself anyway xP
i generally agree with this on principle, but i don't want to unvote her atm
i also don't want to lynch va
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On May 25 2015 14:09 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 07:59 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 23 2015 07:51 prplhz wrote:@27ninjabunnies Please expand on that Onegu read. You say it's not his best case + Show Spoiler +His entire case is:
Onegu gut read?
Or the fact that her Sandroba read points are bad. Who cares he doesnt have any town reads. I dont either. Doesnt make me scum. so what makes you "really like" Onegu? "everything he has done comes from a townie perspective" is really just saying that he's town because he's town. To be honest, I thought he made a read on rsoul, but I was actually remembering a different read on rsoul from someone else. He just voted rsoul. So, I don't have an actual basis for what he has done. His filter is actually mostly filler and I'm vt. He could be town, but idk. Hasn't done anything. I'll try and find that read on rsoul that I really liked and see who it was from tho. MY b. But I do have something to say about onegu.. Why did people jump on the bw for a gut read? That's curious to me. Like I don't care I'm being voted. But, why jump on the bw? Sand did it. You made atleast a case on me, I guess. for reference not that she ever did find what read she supposedly thought was his -_- bueno i don't think this is getting us anywhere, to be frank
she never took away her town read and despite onegu not doing anything she still thought it all came from a townie perspective. The read on onegu was random in that big post (which honestly is terrible for a bunch of other reasons as well) and when called out on it she back pedaled a bit. But from there to I would lynch onegu and would never lynch geript you can see there is something missing.
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On May 25 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 13:53 Damdred wrote:
Like I was just thinking about the nb claim and the softing that she was blue to ritoky who she thinks is mafia. And if she is actually the vet it sort of makes sense to me.
Its part of the reason I think i'd rather not lynch NB today (and agree with hf assessment to save NB till last) if she is a role mafia is never going to shoot her last night anyway. They could potentially role block her due to the fear of being another role hiding, if anything they shoot her tonight since they can't rb twice in a row or wait till n3 and rb+shoot in case they are really scared of the vet being in the game.
Either way HF is right and that we need to save NB to the last lynch, it forces mafia to shoot her at some point if she is a power role and we get to hunt mafia besides her and get information that way.
I disagree with her claiming vet in the thread like she did, I wont' go over my idea of balance but it is what it is. But it is what it is and I don't think we should lynch her today. last post tonight i think since it's late and i appear to be talking to myself anyway xP i generally agree with this on principle, but i don't want to unvote her atm i also don't want to lynch va
I'm not positive I want to lynch VA either atm either, I think Fuba/Oneg deserve closer attention maybe make them give reads and contribute a bit more.
I'm pretty sure Ritoky is town here, Slam is townish(?), You are town Rsoultin, FF is still town to me even though i'm not sure what he did during the night. And I still have reasons to think sandroba is town. And Prp is sorta meta from what I remember o fhim this game so far.
Kinda puts it into perspective that NB, Onegu, Fuba, VA
So its not exactly a terrible place to start with currently. What do you think? (try to break that last posting by you rsoultin)
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On May 25 2015 14:14 sandroba wrote:
-_-
Let me sum it up for you:
She ramdonly declares that one of us is mafia. Makes no sense.
She thinks that based on her random declaration, I'm more likely mafia (again randomly because I've asked her to say why I'm mafia after I disputed her first post and she never did) but she scum reads both of us.
Says that everything onegu has done comes from a townie perspective (if you filter onegu up to the point she posted it I doubt you will arrive at the same conclusion)
10 min before the lynch says she wouldn't lynch geript ever, despite having scum read him all day and have not defended him against the lynch if she did change her mind. Also says she would lynch me / onegu (whom has done everything coming from a townie perspective according to her).
I'm amazed you can't spot the lack of congruence here.
dude >< if this summation were actually true of course i could see the fucking "incongruence" i'm not a complete retard
now when are you going to actually read the damn thread? or your own scumread's filter? OR EVEN THE POST I JUST POSTED?!
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