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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 22 2015 13:57 GMT
#341
27nb, your town so I'll tell you.

you put stuff like this {spoiler}See?{/spoiler} Just replace the { with [
+ Show Spoiler +
See?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 22 2015 14:02 GMT
#344
On May 22 2015 22:57 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2015 22:54 Tictock wrote:
On May 22 2015 22:52 disformation wrote:
Haven't looked much at boxer yet, could you highlight some things that sprung out for you? I skimmed it and I didn't see anything that would strongly lead me in either direction. Though he could be mafia trying to play the newb card?


If this was in response to me, I was asking about Bill Murray.

I just posed my thoughts on boxerfred (who I've been abbreviating BF, fyi).


Nope, this wasn't my response to your BM question. Will reread him shortly.
Actually got something to do at work, so that might take a moment.


Ok, that bit at the end just felt out of place, wasn't sure if you were just typing what you were thinking or trying to respond.

I'm gunna be around all day more or less. Going to save my deeper reading and efforts for a bit later on.

Till then
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 22 2015 14:03 GMT
#345
On May 22 2015 23:00 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2015 22:45 Tictock wrote:
Ok BF, I'm more sold that you are just new now.

I have the opposite view actually. Before you started pressuring him, I was sure he was a newbie. Now that you made him post more I'm not so sure ... I will quote everytime he said he was newb or something like that in his filter. Everything in the spoiler:

+ Show Spoiler +

On May 22 2015 19:17 boxerfred wrote:
I have no idea who I should vote for :/

On May 22 2015 19:32 boxerfred wrote:
Barakos going the coach way :D I was just starting to ask my coach about that.
[...]

On May 22 2015 22:23 boxerfred wrote:
"WIFOM"?
[...]
Reading about "trying to pocket",
[...]

On May 22 2015 22:27 boxerfred wrote:
[...]
Thus far, I'm not understanding every point of your argumentation and I surely will require some time to iterate over the given posts and see them in context.




That's 5 times for 13 posts.


Good we have 2 sets of eyes on him then. I'm not totally letting him off the hook, but I'm buying the newbie sense I'm getting here. Idk it feels genuine to me.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 22 2015 16:25 GMT
#374
@ Scott

What is your opinion of SL?

You also made a comment on plots opening post, he's been more active today. What do you think about it?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 22 2015 16:30 GMT
#375
@ Plots

We need more of this from you.

On May 23 2015 00:43 plotspot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2015 00:15 disformation wrote:
Okay finished with work. Will be on my way home soon. Should back in around 1h.
First glance at the interaction between ticktoc and BM I got the feeling that BM was just trolling around trying to provoke a reaction from ticktoc, which he got. Otherwise a bit spamy, but I can see towny posts here and there. Will read more carefully when I am back at home. But I still want to see some more action from him today.

@plotspot: You stated that you think that mafia is/was already active in the thread trying to test the waters. Who would you pick out as Mafia?

@Sulfurus: Did your reads on Breshke change? Who would be your #2 lynch after Breshke, if he is still your top scum?


"@plotspot: You stated that you think that mafia is/was already active in the thread trying to test the waters. Who would you pick out as Mafia?"

To be honest I'm not quite sure.
About Breshke: Initially I thought Breshke was scummy for his quick jumping on SL. But then I figured it was just his way of applying pressure on him to see his (SL's) true color. Breshke appears very townish. Breshke is like the NB VII game I played with him, very collected and professional. Though I have to point out, it didn't help us in the end since town still lost, when he couldn't figured out the real cuprits.

About BM: he is always borderline provocative and scummy. But I think he is intelligent and a keen observer.

These are the two that have given me some scum vibe so far. Last game (NV VIII) I was replaced due to illness. This was a game where I observed that scums are usually REACTIONARY and CAREFUL of some sorts. After having a first impression of the thread by having read it all, I will filter-read everyone now in order to find patterns of reactionary and careful behaviour.
Yeah expect something in less than to 6 hours, I'm actually still at work and totally underestmiated to time it took for all this again. I'm lucky that my work load is rather flexible, but still, it's already out of plan here.



As for questions. I'd really like to know who is scum in your mind. In the post I just quoted you both tell us that Bre and BM look scummy but give them town cred at the same time.

So who do you think we should lynch today?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 22 2015 16:32 GMT
#376
On May 23 2015 01:30 Tictock wrote:

We need more like this from you.




EBWOP

I'd like to hear about other players from you now.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 22 2015 16:58 GMT
#380
Bre hasn't done much since I posted that tbh.

He's defended plots about his opening. I could make an association read there since you are correct plots is still my #1 scum. Doing so feels a little WIFOM right now, but if we lynch Plots and he flips Red Bre will look pretty bad.

At the same time SL also defended plots' opening though...

Idk it's probably NAI. Worth keeping in mind though

This is an interesting sheep by Bre
On May 22 2015 17:09 Breshke wrote:
Hey! I knew i remembered your name my first game was your first game barakos but lets not remember that game.

You raise a good point. Looking through his filter he doesn't seem to draw conclusions from stuff like in your last quote he says a bunch of stuff about SL but doesn't really draw a conclusion from any of it. I do kind of like the reason he gave for the ticktock townread while the reason doesn't hold weight with me I think it is a good reason to town-read someone.

It is good enough for me to change my vote though

##Unvote
##Vote disformation


(totally thought his name was disinformation)

I also kind of don't like this

Show nested quote +
On May 22 2015 12:00 scott31337 wrote:
On May 22 2015 11:49 plotspot wrote:
oh lawl game has started, but I have to go to sleep now, see you tomorrow
*celebrate good times come on*


What kind of post is this? You weren't even able to post any original thoughts before you left?


When scott leaves right after it after having only one other post. Feels scummy


Overall I like his thinking this game though.
On May 22 2015 09:05 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote:
@tictok what if you're mafia trying to pocket me with your overtly friendly wiles? I'm onto you mister you best be scared.

Let's all vote SL though. I feel like town SL has close to zero chance of being lynched because he'd never let that happen. Putting pressure on SL and breshke's reads can only lead to good things.

##vote: sicklucker


I really like this post and not even because it's telling people to vote SL the thought process is spot on.

I had kinda forgotten about this post. It actually kinda nullifies my reasons for suspecting Bre in the first place too.

I'll move him to a slight town lean for now.

So if Plots suddenly replaces or something, I'd be willing to get on a BM wagon. Scott is another good target right now I think, he really hasn't done mush more than plots.

I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 22 2015 17:30 GMT
#388
Actually batsnacks I wouldn't mind knowing why you used such strong language regarding BF in that post. I agree with your overall statement, but "never mafia this game" raises flags. I think Dis asking for why you are saying this is totally fair.

To ask it another way. What has you so sure BF is town?

I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 22 2015 17:47 GMT
#392
I agree. Too many townies talking talk.

Who's getting lynched?

BS, you still scumming SL?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 22 2015 18:10 GMT
#396
A couple people did.

Plots wasted one of his posts on it.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 23 2015 00:56 GMT
#460
Just getting up from a nap, I had been hoping from a little more activity. Especially more from our lurkers ...

SL actually raised some good points regarding 27nb's vote/push on him. May have to look through NB's filter again soon, but his interactions with Dis have been reading towny to me.
I'd like to know more about why he's thinking Barakos is scum as well.

I also second this
On May 23 2015 09:36 sicklucker wrote:
bill murray can you lead us to victory

I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 23 2015 01:08 GMT
#462
I think it may be the right time for me to start working an a reads/list post soon now that EoD is starting to loom.

I'm trying to hold it off a bit though, giving the inactive people a little more time to post respond.

I'm currently still liking my vote on plots, I'll expand on some things I picked up shortly.

We really need more activity from scott, plots, and sul.

BS is also slacking a little, and he is being overprotective of BF. Maybe they are Masons? I'm def leaning town on both of them atm or I'd be taking this as a scum association.

I'm having a hard time following Dis's case on Sul. I'm not to happy that Sul has been lurking mostly, but his few posts contain a fair bit of quality. Enough for me to not want to lynch him today. Dis himself is earning some town cred for the push there though.

27nb, your point about a possible connection between Dis and BF is reaching a little imo. I have a hard time believing Mafia would be trying to start their own wagon today. Much more likely they are sheeping bad town votes.

Rels is looking like some Super Town play. Dude is pushing other peoples questions for them? Right on!

I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 23 2015 01:33 GMT
#464
Wow, that's a lot of graphics and stuff to look at plots.

I'll disregard my thoughts on you till I read this over carefully.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 23 2015 01:44 GMT
#465
Ok plots, that looks like a crazy amount of work and organization you've done there. I think it's clear why you seem to think why this is taking so much time...

I'm fairly impressed.

Yet... what does all this tell you?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 23 2015 01:47 GMT
#469
On May 23 2015 10:46 sicklucker wrote:
no one is allowed to vote plots today maybe ever


Your not my Dad!
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 23 2015 02:44 GMT
#476
Ok Ok ... I'm impressed. ## Unvote

The flashy graphics were nice and all, but it was really some decent reads here that have me sold. Though I think this is far too much work to keep up, or at least it's payoff is limited for the upkeep, I'd be interested to see more of this. Your point about SL jumping into the thread at regular intervals matches up with how I've perceived him to be playing, interesting to see points like that come from your charts.

I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 23 2015 02:53 GMT
#479
I was actually very close to posting a more polished case on plots before he got his graphics posted. This might be a weird thing to do, but I'm going to leave that post in a spoiler here.

+ Show Spoiler +
First I just want to state that while pushing to lynch lurkers is considered policy lynching, I'd like to suggest to people that we not just give lurkers a pass D1 and rather try to put much more emphasis on what they ARE posting. So that's what I'm doing here.

I already discussed my opinion of plots opening.
On May 22 2015 12:50 Tictock wrote:
I think it falls more into a 2scum2Bscum category. As plenty of other people have stated this hasn't been a hugely active start, nobody is making giant walls of text, I mean you yourself have kept up with it really well.

So posting "lol, games started? BBL" is pretty lazy. Actually, no lazy would just not post tonight and jump into the game whenever. This is actively excusing inactivity, that's pretty scummy.


His next few posts after his bad opening are complete garbage, discussing nothing in game. He throws out a few quotes with a comment about them but this all amounts to nothing. All of these spoilered posts are throwaway imo, and are just attempts to be looking active.
+ Show Spoiler +


He responds to me in a VERY interesting way.
On May 22 2015 23:20 plotspot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2015 12:26 Tictock wrote:
On May 22 2015 12:20 Bill Murray wrote:
##vote: plotspot.

I don't like when people try to slip into the night phase for free off excuses . There are like no posts in this slow game he could easily have caught up. Policy lynch here is better than anything we have to go on.


Something I can totally agree on.

I'm close to heading to bed. I'm going to do some rereading while considering some of the points made here but unless I find something better to go on I'll join this vote for now.


Breshke got it right though. I was playing some video game for too long and it was already 4:49, so I decided I just post some sort of notice of action/activity. Is it better than not post something at all? It depends on the people obviously, reading up to here (p13/first post) you and BM thought it suspicious. If I didn't do anything, then other people would find it suspicious for other reasons.

I find his choice in what post of mine to quote here quite telling actually. Notice this was right before my real reasons for voting plots and he picked the easier post to defend against.

He is also telling us here that his opening post was to post some kind of action/activity but his opening post was literally "lol woops, game's started? I'll check it out later" There was no apologetic tone, no real promise to make it up, and certainly nothing active about it.

Then we have the only post of note from plots here. Where he only really null reads Bre and BM. He says he's leaning scum on them both, but also makes points that they could be town. The fact that he says "Breshke appears very townish" and then still says he's scum leaning him, makes me think these reads are very forced.


I was going to make another point regarding plots question here. It's more about content and sharing opinions then activity. Clearly you understand that at some level since you read me as one of the most active players yet can't decide where my alignment is. Activity can be a towny or a scummy trait, whats important is what results from actions and the overall content in posts.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 23 2015 03:08 GMT
#481
At this point scott and Sul are our most absent players. Both have about the same amount of posts.

Sul started by giving us strong reads, gives a little advice to SL, then votes BM.
His only action since then is to read Bre town, then unvotes BM kus he misread a post and SL called him lynchbait...

Scott opens giving SL super easy towncred, questions plots opening, then makes an ok post.
He gives a few more easy townreads then starts to suspect BM but is unwilling to actually pressure.
In fact he ends this post with this
On May 23 2015 00:59 scott31337 wrote:
BM would be at the top of my lynch list at the moment though - but we have plenty of time

Anyone have any questions for me?


That's a bit too casual for my tastes, especially since he hasn't posted since this.

## Vote: scott31337
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 23 2015 03:40 GMT
#487
On May 23 2015 12:20 batsnacks wrote:
Let's lynch SL seriously. Town SL takes being scum read way more personally than he has this game. Scott is a fine vote too and so is BM at this point but I'm really feeling SL if he thinks he can ignore pressure and do nothing.


I also support this vote and reasoning. All I've seen from SL is "I could vote this or that"

I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 23 2015 03:42 GMT
#488
On May 23 2015 05:50 sicklucker wrote:
why is this entire thread talking about me I didnt do anything interesting.

I would prefer it if we just shot.cop checked bill murray instead of lynching him so we have to acualy play the game and not policy lynch him like every other game hes in


I think this is exactly why people are talking about you SL. You have one of the longest filters of anyone this game but haven't really done... anything.
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