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When I first read the game I had a crush on Sulfu. Now that I'm reading your case dys I can see your points and agree with you. I love this in particular :
On May 23 2015 08:09 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 07:19 Sulfurus wrote:Breshke is definitely more town than I thought, he defended plotspot (I don't care how he did it just that he did at all) and I've realized that his tunnel on SL is pro-town since he got he put pressure on someone who is a hard read. On May 22 2015 10:25 Bill Murray wrote:
Disinformation the game so far has been people reacting to a post batsnacks has , premade,
I completely misunderstood what this post meant I thought it was BM saying the Dis hadn't done anything this game. That combined with what SL said about him being mislynch bait means that I'll rescind my vote off of him. ##Unvote Which raises two questions: 1) Why is SL's statement that SL is lynch bait this important to him? 2) Where does he get the misslynch from? TMI? Also no information of who he would vote now or how his reads changed over the day. In hindsight his behaviour so far also looks like "okay lets do 1-2 town posts and then gtfo out of the fray."
Still I remember clearly being sure as hell that Sulfu was town. I'll have to take the time to reread the game to conclude.
@Sulfu could you please explain yourself
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On May 23 2015 08:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 06:28 disformation wrote:Ugh. Reread boxerfred. Should move to scum lean. I see nothing that furthers town agenda in his filter. Only reacts when poked. Posting pattern is pretty lurky. Evades most of the questions anyway. No clue who he would vote for...  No idea what batsnacks sees in him. Which also makes me wonder a bit about batsnacks, who I otherwise have as a town lean. I wish I could see but I feel so blind... Why the distance from BF now, it seems? Like, when I ping you out for a connection you seem now to be so upset. The Ugh. Reread.... Basically when he is being pinged out for being scum. This is all just scummy from you Main dish huh? I've been told I'm pretty delectable  As for the SL read, give me a few hours. Just got off of work, and been working for 8 of those hours between then, I forgot what I was even going to say on SL. Rereading a bit
On May 23 2015 08:25 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Oh, and I think the above post is a great basis for
##Vote:Disformation
I don't understand.
Dys just made a good case on Sulfu, and remind you on something you said.
If I follow you are voting him because he reread BF filter and found him more guilty than he previously thought. Right ?
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Well i'm going to sleep. Please everybody that has a question directed to them, answer it. See you all tomorrow.
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On May 23 2015 09:09 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 08:56 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 23 2015 08:44 disformation wrote:On May 23 2015 08:37 27ninjabunnies wrote:
OMGUS? Did you call me mafia? I can't remember?
What connection between sulfurus and me?
I called sulfurus town. Not much to it.
I still need to read Sulfurus' recent posts to get a feel for if still town or not. But from early posts, yes. sulfurus seemed pretty town. I was implying a possible mafia connection between him and you via: On May 22 2015 11:43 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Sulfurus top town newbie read.
Not lynching for entire game.
Or maybe atleast 2 days Which is imo way stronger than you giving him a town read. Especially for that one post (which had a mistake in it). I see me giving a read on sulfurus, but has sulfurus actually given a read on me? *Reads sulfurus filter* Nope So not sure how you can see a connection, except a one sided connection. Top newbie read- he was a newbie, commented on a question I asked, and his answer seemed genuine at the time Hmm... you are right. I should demote you from main dish status and give that to BF. Think I got to excited about the possible TMI Slip by Sulfurus and the possibility of getting two mafia out of it, if there was a connection to you. Oh, well this bodes well for tomorrow. At least you people will have something to talk about. xD
You mention a TMI slip by Sulfu.
On May 23 2015 09:22 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 09:18 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 23 2015 09:09 disformation wrote:On May 23 2015 08:56 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 23 2015 08:44 disformation wrote:On May 23 2015 08:37 27ninjabunnies wrote:
OMGUS? Did you call me mafia? I can't remember?
What connection between sulfurus and me?
I called sulfurus town. Not much to it.
I still need to read Sulfurus' recent posts to get a feel for if still town or not. But from early posts, yes. sulfurus seemed pretty town. I was implying a possible mafia connection between him and you via: On May 22 2015 11:43 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Sulfurus top town newbie read.
Not lynching for entire game.
Or maybe atleast 2 days Which is imo way stronger than you giving him a town read. Especially for that one post (which had a mistake in it). I see me giving a read on sulfurus, but has sulfurus actually given a read on me? *Reads sulfurus filter* Nope So not sure how you can see a connection, except a one sided connection. Top newbie read- he was a newbie, commented on a question I asked, and his answer seemed genuine at the time Hmm... you are right. I should demote you from main dish status and give that to BF. Think I got to excited about the possible TMI Slip by Sulfurus and the possibility of getting two mafia out of it, if there was a connection to you. Oh, well this bodes well for tomorrow. At least you people will have something to talk about. xD What TMI slip? Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 07:31 disformation wrote:Though why does SL saying that BM is lynch bait hold that much importance for you? Where did you get the miss from? On May 22 2015 13:27 sicklucker wrote:
bill murray is lynch bait.
definition - a guy who always looks scummy and gets lynched
not saying dont lynch him but keep that in mind Calling a BM a misslynch sounds a bit like Too Much Information to me.  What do you think about bunnies and boxerfred? Why do you think so? Who would you vote for now? Why? Possible TMI slip. Basically calls BM a misslynch out of the blue. I want to know his reaction/what he has to say about that. You did read my case, right?
That is a possible TMI slip by SL.
I'm sure I'm just too tired to see where I'm wrong. I'll read that carefully tomorrow.
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Yo a quick post and I'll be gone until the deadline. Hope I can be around just before but no guarantee.
First scott still haven't showed up and answered the questions ... questions he asked for in his last post may I remind you. So I'm happy to see him lynch atm.
Second I don't like this wagon on disformation at all. The only one with arguments is Barakos so I'm not suspicious of him, but the other two I am (27nb and plotspot). I don't like plotspot voting on an analysis made on the first hours of the game.
Talking about plotspot. Woaw that's a lot of work. But I agree with ticktock's thoughts on him in his list post. Don't have a lot of time so you will have to find it yourself. To summarize what I liked about his argument:
What plotspot did takes a lot of work. But he doesn't push any agenda and it's pretty non alignment indicative. If all a mafia has to do to look town is to make pretty graphics that takes 6 hours to make, we wouldn't catch any. So I agree to not lynch him today but he's not town forever for me.
Last about SL. Again (= I don't like that he says "plotspot is town forever maybe" and then he says "what you did doesn't bring a lot to the table". I don't like how he responded to batsnacks' pressure.
Sorry about the lack of quotes I have to go. My list lynch is:
Scott
BM
SL
See you tonight, hopefully before EOD! Have a good day (=
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Yeah for scum lynched (= happy about that.
I think vig should not claim before shooting.
On May 24 2015 07:25 sicklucker wrote:
you can. mafia wont shoot you because theirs other roles and we have a confirmed town to lead us its really fine.
I would agree if we were sur to have a doc. But we don't know that it is not an open setup.
On May 24 2015 07:34 sicklucker wrote:
If mafia kills the vig tonight thats good.. he still gets off his shot and are that would mean are other role/roles are safe...
No it's not good.
Vig should claim day 2 if he shooted:
- if he is not counter claimed, we have a confirmed blue
- if he is counter claimed, we have another scum lynch in day 3 in the worst scenario.
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On May 24 2015 08:03 disformation wrote:
Well. 1/3 mafia down.
Do we have confirmation it is 3 mafia ?
I mean, that's what I assume too, but is it written anywhere ?
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On May 24 2015 07:57 Rels wrote:Yeah for scum lynched (= happy about that. I think vig should not claim before shooting. Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 07:25 sicklucker wrote:
you can. mafia wont shoot you because theirs other roles and we have a confirmed town to lead us its really fine. I would agree if we were sur to have a doc. But we don't know that it is not an open setup. Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 07:34 sicklucker wrote:
If mafia kills the vig tonight thats good.. he still gets off his shot and are that would mean are other role/roles are safe... No it's not good. Vig should claim day 2 if he shooted: - if he is not counter claimed, we have a confirmed blue - if he is counter claimed, we have another scum lynch in day 3 in the worst scenario.
Thinking about it more I was wrong and SL was right.
If there is not vig, then mafia can claim vig on their NK and nobody can counter claim. So if there is a vig, he needs to claim before the night is done.
I think the best play is claiming just before EON.
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On May 24 2015 08:16 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 08:11 Rels wrote:On May 24 2015 08:03 disformation wrote:
Well. 1/3 mafia down. Do we have confirmation it is 3 mafia ? I mean, that's what I assume too, but is it written anywhere ? Hmmm. I am just assuming that since 3 mafia is the norm for 13 player games here. At least that was the case in all the games I have played in / read. Quickly read over the op, but wasn't able to find any information there. It just says "This game uses a semi-open setup for 13 players; that is, all the possible roles are given but the number of each is not known. Not all of the roles will necessarily be present."
Alright I suppose it's 3 too.
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On May 23 2015 22:40 plotspot wrote:
Well, I'm at p15 now, hope to at least catch up to the post I made yesterday with my "analysis". I do realize that it might prove not to be helpful at the end (what if there are no particular patterns?). But I just thought I can be a complimentary part to town by looking at it in a more statistical, factual way. It's there. With enough effort, everyone can do it. We already have a lot of people here standing guard, being pro-active, keeping mafia on their toes with their thread presence. My statistics might prove helpful if you can use it to support your claims.
I think it is a great mindset and if you manage to keep it up to date, it will be super useful!
Right now it is almost useless, and if you were to stop here it would be a lot of work for no valuable informations. Which is what a scum would do: doing a ton of work that doesn't help town.
So I hope you continue as if you even manage to finish day1, we would have a lot of informations combining your graphics with the flips.
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Hello, this is a message for the potentiel vig in this game. I want you to consider a sicklucker shot tonight. Please read this post and think about it.
First please read Breshke post here or in spoiler:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 24 2015 14:07 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 13:14 sicklucker wrote:
one of bunnies or disinfo are scum
probably disinfo Has a shitty push on disinfo doesn't explain anything or put any effort into getting him lynched just faking suspicion to seem town. Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 20:16 sicklucker wrote:
##unvote ##vote scott
Ya whatever. On a quick reread disinfo filter is not really bad. No way we cant kill scott here. I think a policy lynch is fine I have no high percentage flips in my mind Backs of his shitty read again with no reasoning when wagon seems to be going against his partner. Starts bussing to get towncred. Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 05:46 sicklucker wrote:
Ok i just read rels filter. I think he flips scum a bit more then scott I wouldnt mind lynching him. Hard to explian call it a feelin Tries to push rels AGAIN with no reasoning. Does not put any effort into getting rels lynched instead of scott even though scott is just a policy lynch for him and rels he genuinely thinks is scum. SL is not trying to work out the game he mainly just posts to post. Probably started bussing his partner then tried to see if he could start a different wagon. When noone started biting he just drops it. We are lynching SL tomorrow.
If that doesn't convince you I will take what I said about him here and add to it.
First reason
In a few of his posts he either says he's town or gives argument to why someone should read him town. Apparently SL is a good player, so that could be straight up subtile manipulation. It is the tactics from commercials; one can only see something so many times before one starts thinking it's true, not knowing where the thought came by. I'm talking about these posts:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 22 2015 07:22 sicklucker wrote:
disinfo you gonna correctly read me town again? On May 22 2015 09:21 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 08:48 Breshke wrote:
It also says the all Qts were active in the like initial start of game post.
I'm not going to read you for a dumbbell SL I'm going to read you on giving nonsensical town reads and not thinking critically about the game well you should because thats how you read me town On May 22 2015 09:49 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 09:30 Breshke wrote:On May 22 2015 09:22 sicklucker wrote:On May 22 2015 09:05 Breshke wrote:On May 22 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote:
@tictok what if you're mafia trying to pocket me with your overtly friendly wiles? I'm onto you mister you best be scared.
Let's all vote SL though. I feel like town SL has close to zero chance of being lynched because he'd never let that happen. Putting pressure on SL and breshke's reads can only lead to good things.
##vote: sicklucker I really like this post and not even because it's telling people to vote SL the thought process is spot on. its really nothing special. And im already playing and trying so its pretty pointless Trying? Saying your town for dumbtelling when its completly within your ability to do it as scum and your only read being that im scum for not calling you town for said dumbtell. I don't call that trying. I get it is early but do you have opinions on anyone? What do you think of disinfo now that the QT thing has been corrected? town points for not realizing their was a scum qt up for 24 hours like any town should On May 22 2015 11:22 sicklucker wrote:
oh I totally took that post out of context hes asking me a qeustion pretty poor writinng . Oh well easy to read me town off that On May 22 2015 11:37 sicklucker wrote:
im so town it hurts On May 24 2015 07:14 sicklucker wrote:
Confirmed not veg dont shoot me mafia. Out for the night in a few On May 24 2015 15:42 sicklucker wrote:
infact I was the hammer of the mafia and batsnackss followed me. I the town hero come at me
Second reason
On May 22 2015 08:33 Tictock wrote:
@Breshke
Humm you have a point. He did post an handful of stuff pretty fast and then bounce. Seems to be have just made a weak townread and then the weak towny post about not confusing us newbies.
Last game when he was town he never gave a shit about confusing us newbies. Now he's making this post defending newbies and town reading Dis, one of the newbies who was also in the last game with us. This does seem like he's scum motivated.
Straigth up this. I read student IX game, and SL was town and didn't give a shit about newbies.
Third reason
He says that BM is a lynch bait, but says this:
On May 22 2015 13:27 sicklucker wrote:
bill murray is lynch bait.
definition - a guy who always looks scummy and gets lynched
not saying dont lynch him but keep that in mind
That could be read as "lynch him if you want, when he flips green i'm going to be right". Seems to me like he almost want BM to be lynched without him on the train.
Forth reason
Until late in the last day he didn't vote scott and tried to push other people with no arguments. Really no arguments, just "I'm suspicious of XXX". Even after he voted scott, he still tried to push subtily other people without voting for them. I will list the posts where he does that. I will not post what he said on batsnacks because he actually made a case on him for once.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2015 11:50 sicklucker wrote:
i think disinfo could be scum On May 23 2015 13:14 sicklucker wrote:
one of bunnies or disinfo are scum
probably disinfo On May 23 2015 13:16 sicklucker wrote:
bats disinfo or bunnies + one of bm or the new guys I havent bother to read at all outside of sulp
Can we just vote bats your townread on him makes no sense breske On May 24 2015 05:46 sicklucker wrote:
Ok i just read rels filter. I think he flips scum a bit more then scott I wouldnt mind lynching him. Hard to explian call it a feelin
Fifth reason
Lying.
On May 24 2015 15:36 sicklucker wrote:
rels was my lynch bro
No I wasn't. Batsnacks then scott was your lynch.
Aaaaaand that's it. sicklucker don't add anything useful, except one post: the one on batsnacks which amazingly I liked. Plus, apparently he plays like that every game, so no one can read him for sure. He really put chaos in the thread with how he posted: for example his defense post just above mine is only a gif.
What do you do with people hard to read, scummy, and that does things that cause chaos ? That's right. You vigi'd them. Even if he turns out to be town, that will be less confusion on the thread. So vig, if you even exist in this setup and have not made your mind about shooting, shoot SL.
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Two others point on SL:
Sixth reason
On May 24 2015 15:43 sicklucker wrote:
im vulnerable tictock have any questions for me?
Then TT post some questions, and SL doesn't answer.
On May 24 2015 15:45 Tictock wrote:
Already asked dude, though I'd also like to know your thoughts on 27nb and BM.
Off to play games, bbl.
Seventh reason
On May 24 2015 15:34 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 08:11 Rels wrote:On May 24 2015 08:03 disformation wrote:
Well. 1/3 mafia down. Do we have confirmation it is 3 mafia ? I mean, that's what I assume too, but is it written anywhere ? yes its going to always be 3 mafia in 13 player format but if theirs a sk then 2? im not getting many mafia reads so thats possible.
On May 24 2015 15:47 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 15:34 sicklucker wrote:On May 24 2015 08:11 Rels wrote:On May 24 2015 08:03 disformation wrote:
Well. 1/3 mafia down. Do we have confirmation it is 3 mafia ? I mean, that's what I assume too, but is it written anywhere ? yes its going to always be 3 mafia in 13 player format but if theirs a sk then 2? im not getting many mafia reads so thats possible. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/473002-metal-mini-mafiaYou were in this game SL and i kno you remember it because its one of the ones you love to mention so much because its the first one i got vig shot in. It had 3 mafia and an SK in a 13 player setup.
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I was the first to post about scott.
I was the first to vote for him.
I'm not advocating a lynch because you didn't vote mafia. I am for 7 reasons listed above.
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If you don't have the balls to shoot a vet, are not convinced by a SL shoot, or ... are SL (now that would be funny), please consider a BM shoot. This post will be a lot shorter.
You saw how he acted on day 1 and the final conclusion is the same as SL: hard to read, scummy, and that does things that cause chaos. Additionnaly I hated this recent post:
On May 24 2015 14:01 Bill Murray wrote:
i dont mind being shot
i admit ive been a bit inactive
moving into the new house ... i was posting more from the hospital lol
I read student IX game and a player called Stutters was mafia. A lot of people pushed for him to get vigi'd night two. His last post was:
On May 09 2015 01:29 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 23:36 Half the Sky wrote:
I also find it amusing that Stutters has gone completely dead silent since his last post. Probably threw in the towel. Nah, exam week. 2 games going on. I just haven't had the time to play how I really want to. Apologies for that, I miscalculated the time investment to really read two games. If you guys want to vig me, I completely understand, no hard feelings. I'm running some errands before I have to work. Now that my exams are done I'll have significantly more time but my weekend is pretty booked with mother's day/going to a theme park Saturday (20 dollar tickets ftw). If you want I can explain whatever questions you have, but I know it looks real bad and it won't get better until Sunday evening. I'll get some reads out by EoN so you guys have something to go off of when I'm gone.
We see the same tone of apologizing. The vig still shot him and he flipped mafia.
Anyway I'm not sure at all he's mafia, I'm more for a vig shot because he causes chaos and is useless.
I saw that he started posted more things, so if he post some good posts don't shoot him.
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On May 24 2015 18:08 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 07:04 cakepie wrote:～ Final Vote Count ～ scott31337 (6) : Rels, batsnacks (X), Tictock (X), Breshke, sicklucker, batsnacks, boxerfred, disformationdisformation (3) : Barakos, Breshke (X), 27ninjabunnies, plotspotplotspot (1) : Bill Murray, Tictock (X)27ninjabunnies (1) : Bill Murray (X), Tictockbatsnacks (1) : sicklucker (X), SulfurusBill Murray (0) : Tictock (X), Sulfurus (X), Rels (X), boxerfred (X)boxerfred (0) : Rels (X)Breshke (0) : Sulfurus (X)sicklucker (0) : Breshke (X), batsnacks (X), Bill Murray (X), batsnacks (X)Sulfurus (0) : disformation (X) Not voting (1) : scott31337 Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched!
+ Show Spoiler [Details] + this is what a hammer vote looks like newbs. write it in your notepad I also pressured/encouraged bats into following me
You're right about that.
Lucky it isn't a counter argument to any of the reasons I posted.
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OK I have to go, I won't be very active until tomorrow. Have a good day everyone! (=
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Not saying I played well. I have a hard time figuring mafia. I m saying that if I were scum, I wouldn't have bought the discussion on Scott. I agree that the first vote is nothing, but the first talking about is something in my mind. If I was scum I wouldn't have bought attention on the bad posts of Scott.
Anyway I see what you are doing. You are attacking me to discredit my post, instead of attacking with my post. So:
- my thoughts have no correlation my alignment
- you can credit you are the hammer all you want, the same argument about bussing can be said about your vote.
- before and after you voted Scott, you continue pushing other people: bs, dis, me
And last, none of my points revolved around my voting or your voting, so I don't care about what you are saying. Please answer the reasons, don't attack me.
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Or even better, answer the questions you asked ticktock for and didn't answer.
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Yo everyone, I'm on a train until midnight so I will follow this thread on a phone. I reread sulfu s filter and I still like him. One argument I found made me laugh so I want to share (= it is actually metagame. Please follow these posts:
First
On May 22 2015 11:20 sicklucker wrote:
Sulfurus I got a n0 red check no you what say you?
Then
On May 22 2015 11:39 Sulfurus wrote:
@sicklucker I think you are executing this rxn test very poorly since you just congratulated me on having "the best post in the thread" which you probably wouldn't do to some1 you have a red on.
And finally much later:
On May 24 2015 05:22 cakepie wrote:～ FAQ ～ Q: Do any of the roles get to use their powers before day 1?A: This game started in Silent Pregame, not Night 0. Therefore, night actions are not possible before Day 1.
And we know from the op:
On May 12 2015 22:46 cakepie wrote:
Questions:
Once the game is underway, all questions to the hosts must be sent as PMs, do not ask in the thread. You are not allowed to say in thread you’re going to ask the hosts something, and you are not allowed to share your answer with the thread. If the question is a clarification all town needs to know, the hosts will post an announcement in the thread.
So someone pm d this question to the mod. I'm feeling it must have been sulfu reacting to SL s pressure. If sulfu was scum, he would probably post this question on scum qt.
Voila not a great argument but a funny one!
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Since everyone is posting lists why not me? 4 categories, 11 people. Let's do that.
Woud lynch:
SL
BM
plotspot (at least until he posts some real reads)
Suspicious of:
27nb
Batsnacks
BF
Dont know:
Sulfu
Town:
Breshke
Dis
TT
Barakos
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