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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 28 2015 22:26 GMT
#1704
Bre was 100% wrong about one thing though...

He said "Your not going to get much info tomorrow since everyone will pile 27nb"

Today has actually been one of the most interesting days IMO
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 28 2015 22:28 GMT
#1706
Oh I should mention that as per the rules in the OP I am not allowed to copy-paste.

This was all me paraphrasing.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 28 2015 22:36 GMT
#1708
@ Bats
We didnt see a reason to claim, both of us were being heavily townread. In fact he suggested I prob should hold off claiming, but was my call. I did try and hold it off, but clearly town needs reassurances today.

Bre stopped being careful about revealing our role after N1, and he's generally very awkward and unsure of how to approach me in game. If you notice he rarely tried to interact with me and just gives unreasoned town reads on me. I was trying to react to him more naturally, in fact this post
On May 25 2015 18:00 Tictock wrote:
@Bre

She's fallen off my radar since EoD.

Why aren't you back on this scott wagon?


Was kinda a fabrication on my part, I thought he should be hard pushing for my opinions on 27nb and wanted things to look more natural between us. At this point I see why he wanted to leave a more obvious trail between us.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 28 2015 22:39 GMT
#1709
@ BF
Thanks for your thoughts and reposting your questions.

I'm around for a bit longer, but then i need to get some RL stuff done.

Anything for me before I go?
^This is to everyone
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 28 2015 22:52 GMT
#1714
@ BF

27nb has still not done much of real value, and has not added much to the discussion today. She was willing to say that GF was a possibility and that Cop checks cant be 100%. That's about the only thing giving me pause atm, but I could see that coming from either alignment as it's an easy thing to state.

My stance on plots is that he is Mafia RB trying to hide as Town RB. It's a bold move though, so it should be looked at critically. But when I do that his claim falls apart, him RBing Bara makes 0 sense as you can tell he hasn't liked me very much since I've been pressuring him so hard yet is fairly null about Bara. Who in their right mind as RB would not block Me if they felt as plots seems to N2? Not only that but his entire filter is his graphics and reads D1 and his whole OMGUS thing with me. I tried to give him a pass as misguided town but his persistence to fill the thread with nonsense along with the fact that I've pointed out he's pushing bad town logic (maybe you don't agree it's as strong as I think it is) tells me he is scum.

I've given my reasons why I've been townreading Dis the whole game multiple times. He has shown clear and critical thinking, has been willing to admit he's wrong, doesn't deflect questions, pushes his own ideas... etc etc. I don't feel like restating my read on him, you can find it in my filter.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 28 2015 22:58 GMT
#1715
@ Sul

You really need to weigh in more critically man. Your skimming the issues here today which is making you fall into very likely scum territory.

I did you a favor in looking through your filter and pointing out at least one decent reason why you are not the most likely scum. It's time that you give town your all and tell us what you think.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 28 2015 23:15 GMT
#1718
Ok, last thing I wanted to look at before I head off for awhile again (I'll be back later on tonight though)

Looking through Bats filter, I can see pretty clear reasons why he would check Bara N1. Bara was pushing back on Bats for his Iching thing and Bats was thinking "Why do you care so much to read into my opening BS more than others?"

I'm never seeing Bats leave anything to suggest Bara returned green on his check, unlees I'm missing something in the 2nd quote I'm leaving here.

These were the more interesting posts from Bats on Bara, first is from before D2 and the 2nd quote is from N2.

On May 23 2015 20:52 batsnacks wrote:
Like baraka if you're mafia you are walking straight into something that can get you lynched. If you're town you are wasting your time because not only are your conclusions about me provably wrong, I will never get lynched today.


On May 27 2015 07:29 batsnacks wrote:
I wish this were a themed game so I could troll you all with my

##Dragon Emperor Soaring Destruction: Barakos



Obv checking 27nb makes sense given how EoD went down.

There is nothing to make me 100% believe Bats claim, but it does all add up.

Anyone have anything more/better?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 29 2015 02:38 GMT
#1722
On May 29 2015 08:45 plotspot wrote:
Ok let's just say this was the case, at that time when Breshke was killed, wouldn't that mean I'd not better RB the kill target like scum usually does, so how does Barakos get to be the target? This is like implying Barakos is scum coming out pretending to have been the target. That's kind of a stretch isn't it? We then already know that Barakos is the GF because he was already copchecked by bats.
Looking at this do you still think I am Mafia RB? only possible if Barakos is GF. Would I as mafia point it out like this, or would I'd rather hide it?
The most plausible thing is that I'm am Town RB, not Mafia RB neither in case that town had also a Town RB as well as do not have a Town RB? Did I not consider anything?



@ Plots
First the bolded question is one that I already posed to you, and is still one that you as Town RB need to answer in depth. Why did you think Bara was scum and block him? You've posted town or null reads on him before and after N2, so what did he do to make you think you had better block him?

You also seem to suggest that Bara is potentially the GF here. Is that what you were thinking? You didn't like the green check on Bara so you figuered he was the Mafia GF and blocked him?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 29 2015 02:48 GMT
#1723
EBWOP

I realize you say
Looking at this do you still think I am Mafia RB? only possible if Barakos is GF.


I'm just not following your thinking there very clearly. Sorry.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 29 2015 02:58 GMT
#1724
@27nb

You stated before
On May 28 2015 13:33 27ninjabunnies wrote:
The one time I can interact with people, no one is around. lame.


I'm around

Got anything for me?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 29 2015 09:58 GMT
#1730
So Town has about 17hours left to reach a conclusion for today.

The most important thing for Town to keep in mind: Scum needs Town to Mislynch 3 times to Win

Right now there are votes on 3 people

Sulfurus
27ninjabunnies
plotspot

At this point I can't imagine anyone holding onto a case on somebody not in that list. So Town needs to really think and consider, which of these 3 players is most likely scum?

While some speculation on setup is fine, we should avoid trying to assume too much. We have a solid clue to the setup, one Scum RB, and one Mason have been flipped. Then we have 3 more blue roles for town being claimed today; 2nd Mason, Town RB, and Cop. Focus on these claims. The balance of the setup is a secondary concern here.

Leaving my own Opinion like this, because I think what I said above is so much more important than my opinion.
+ Show Spoiler +

Personally I am fine lynching either plotspot or 27nb today.

Plotspot is my top choice because everything he has done today has caused confusion and his logic in suggesting people matches with scum goals.

First I find his assertion that town has all 3 is odd. A setup like he suggests COULD be possible, but it doesn't really make sense when you break it down like Dis did here. Even considering this setup, it means that the cop checks are suspect due to the high likelyhood of GF on the mafia team. Yet plots reaches the same conclusion that Sul is scum regardless of the cop checks being possibly invalidated.

Plots reads on Bara are important to his claim as Town RB. We also only have his word, and his post-morteum scum read on Rels to backup his first claim as RB. Neither of these hold up his claim on RB in my opinion. Thus I can only conclude that this is a fake claim.

He is also consistently offering plans of action that involve 2 kills. He says,
If Sulfurus flips green feel free to lynch me next, because obviously then I haven't got the game solved and wasted all your time. Do we have a deal?
then he says
Looking at this do you still think I am Mafia RB? only possible if Barakos is GF.

He also only swaps to these tactics after his attempted, whatever the hell, on me fails and he can't push Sulf and I as a scum team.
This type of thinking lines up with scum goals, trying to get a mislynch any way he can.

27nb had a full day phase of pressure to answer the questions and concerns people had about her. She showed up about 8 Hours before EoD and offered up BM as a better target. She has since stayed reclusive and not weighed in, not voted yet today. Her vote D1 was not on the wagon that got us one Scum RB, D2 her vote was to save her own skin. Now it looks like D3 she wants to wait till EoD again.

27nb is also doing the same thing as plots, offering no real plan of action or very well reasoned vote. She seems to be happy just randomly lynching her lowest 4 town reads.
On May 28 2015 13:53 27ninjabunnies wrote:
People We are not lynching:
Ticktock
Bats
Barakos
MAybe SL?
Me

People we lynch
Everyone else.

GG Town wins


Regardless of if they are a team or not. Plots and 27nb are Easily my top 2 scum. We should at least lynch one of them today and re-evaluate tomorrow.

Sul just doesn't seem to care. I don't like it, he might be scum for it... but that was also the line of thought that lead to the BM lynch. I have better reasons to lynch either plots or 27nb today.

I could be wrong about plots, honestly his stuff is like way over the top and draws so much attention to it. If he is scum the whole thing is pretty Yolo swag and is based on the idea that town would never lynch someone claiming a blue role. To me the notion of him being Town RB doesn't make much sense, it doesn't sound like a balanced setup for town to have Masons, Cop, and RB. Plots claim also looks pretty flimsy when you start poking at it. I really tried to poke at the guy to get good reasoning why he would have RB'd Bara, at the time of this post he has only explained it here.

In the world where plots is town, I have no choice but to return my vote to 27nb. While I believe bats claim, if the setup is how plots claims then GF is def a possibility and the greencheck on bunnies is not confirmed.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 29 2015 10:01 GMT
#1731
Ehh last post was supposed to read 12 hours, obv.

I wrote out my thoughts before I napped (wanted to watch GSL!). Was going to re-evaluate if anything new had been posted, but it's been a slow night again it looks like.

I'll be lurking a bit and keeping an eye on things. My vote is not final, but for now I'm fine letting it ride.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 29 2015 10:09 GMT
#1732
On May 29 2015 16:49 Sulfurus wrote:
If plots is mafia it will become apperant when he doesn't die in the night and Bunnies is more scummy anyway.

##Vote: 27NinjaBunnies


I'm probably ok with this line of thinking. I'm still amazed at how little you choose to post when you are possibly getting lynched today...
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 29 2015 10:21 GMT
#1733
Actually I take that back, that is terrible thinking.

Mafia could easily target Bats tonight, or even myself.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 29 2015 11:26 GMT
#1737
Because all you guys can give me is math and 2 votes that didn't do much to sway the game in any direction.

I'm not saying I don't think the guy could be scum, but I just want good reasoning behind our lynch today.

I will give plots credit for at least try-harding today.

##Unvote

Ok, convince me without relying on setup and role stuff, that Sul should be my vote over 27nb.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 29 2015 11:38 GMT
#1740
I mean without relying on Roles at all.

This game is Supposed to be about critical thinking and deception. Useing roles as a crutch means Mafia can abuse that to their advantage just as much as town can. GF role exist to counter Cop roles.

So yes, without relying on the greencheck. Hell forget I'm mason and make a case on me. I dont care at this point, I just want thought put into our Fing lynch today.

At least one of the players up for lynch today is town making life hard for the rest of town. BM was useless Town. I'm starting to think town deserves to lose this one.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 29 2015 11:45 GMT
#1742
Ok. well then why are you clearing SL and Dis on Role stuff? They weren't checked or anything
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 29 2015 11:47 GMT
#1743
I'm not really trying to say "ignore roles".

Just Think outside them as well.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 29 2015 11:48 GMT
#1745
Ah ok, then I'd rather talk to Bats.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 29 2015 11:50 GMT
#1746
On May 29 2015 06:28 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2015 06:17 plotspot wrote:
On May 29 2015 06:11 disformation wrote:
On May 29 2015 06:07 plotspot wrote:
Right I have no experience with it. If you think it's unusual, let's ask cakepie after the game why that is, do you agree?


That is basically my whole problem. The setup IS unusual no matter how I think about it. And if you or batsnacks are lying this stance might make town lose.


Are you sure you have checked all the possibilities (also from the side of mafia) and came to the conclusion that it is unusual? No one is lying we are simply unclaimed blue roles, that's all there is to it. We should avoid talking about, it can only benefit mafia considering CClaiming.


I would tell you this as either alignment:

4 blues in this setup is unusual.

Meaning it wouldn't be terrible for you to be at least slightly suspicious of my claim. I think tiktok is objectively the most likely to be telling the truth. If you don't understand why you can ask.

We should definitely -not- avoid talking about it. Mafia is never going to cc anything for the rest of the game it would be suicide at this point. If you don't understand why you can ask.

Here is every possibility:
  • plots is lying. The blue roles are mason-mason-cop.
  • batsnacks is lying. The blue roles are mason-mason-roleblocker
  • plots and batsnacks are lying. The blue roles are mason-mason.
  • plots and batsnacks are telling to truth. The blue roles are mason-mason-roleblocker-cop.

Assume anyone lying is mafia. Nothing else is possible.


Least I know Bats encourages thought.
I can take that responsibility.
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