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On May 13 2015 05:50 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 05:42 TalkingDead wrote:On May 13 2015 05:40 Trfel wrote:
I suppose I thought that Vivax's scum play was better than it actually is.
But I still prefer lynching Onegu. I would appreciate it if someone would tell my why they do not want to lynch Onegu. Because carefree Onegu tends to be town Onegu. A few of his more recent posts have looked far more towny in that regard than his earlier posting. This isn't a bad reason, it's one that I do agree with to an extent Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 04:58 Trfel wrote:I think that I want to lynch Onegu today. ##vote OneguOn May 12 2015 07:22 Onegu wrote:
Its a Ver game Im going to take it more serious. This would be true for either alignment. He says this when it benefits himself. He only made one post which I consider "more serious" than his normal play. And he hasn't been following through with this since. But it's his continual usage of hearts to annoy rsoultin that pushes it over the top. That's just not a towny thing to do. And he hasn't been keeping up with the greater seriousness that he mentioned earlier. His constant frustration at rsoultin is perfectly in line with how he would feel if he loves playing scum and finally rolls scum, but then has rsoultin scumreading him from the very start of the game. This is not a good case. His continual usage of hearts to annoy rsoultin may be dickish, and it may not be a "towny" thing to do, but it's definitely something a towny CAN do. Like is anyone, including you, Trfel, going to sit here and tell me townies aren't fucking annoying and dickish all the time? I'm usually significantly more dickish as town. I townread rsoultin in Ippo because I thought she was being a cow. Your final paragraph reads as "here's the mafia narrative". Ok, well maybe the town narrative is that he's angry at a rsoultin who he perceives as mafia, no-one else agrees with him, and she's antagonising him?
There are 2 lynches that I just introduced where I find it hard to say "the townie motivation is kinda likely". Vivax's play is just SO far off his townplay, it's very very difficult to handwave away. BlazingHand saving me, and jumping on a weak case on sandroba while not entertaining the counterarguments is also very very difficult to handwave away with a town motivation. Note: I'm not trying to say Onegu is definitely town here, he may or may not be, but I think lynching him on conjecture is not the right play when we can lynch people with far clearer differentiations
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i'd agree with you that i can be a royal pain in the ass, particularly towards my scumreads, and that alone explains onegu's bs, but frankly i left him alone specifically so i wouldn't turn it into a shit fest and he's still doing the same thing. if you can point out to me what i've posted since i backed off that would encourage him to keep it up, then i'll concede the point. i still think he's mafia for the case i brought against him initially before he turned into an ass so
yeah
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@marv
On May 12 2015 03:11 rsoultin wrote:15/60 okay to be more clear why oneg is giving me the icks includes not just a similar take on his tone that marv got but also a couple things that naturally mean more to me than other people -_- - the overexplained everything...he's more the fuck you i'm gonna do what i want type, at least in most of the games i've played with him, though the one newbie game he was more serious which is why i'm trying to get hts' input (i pay less attention than i should when i'm scum lol) - secondly, i recently asked him why he always scumreads me every game. which actually isn't true; it just felt like it recently because of guardians where the twit fake-claimed mason with scum rayn while flaming me all game lol >< couple that with the "obligatory" and it almost seems like he's doing it just to ascribe to "meta" that actually isn't really true anyway, just me being sensitive xP - third, he genuinely believes i'm one of the best people at reading him, yet that's not part of his scumread. it was like the central point of his read when i was scum in student VII (and why he had so much trouble getting people to actually pay attention, i might add). not seeing the OMGUS you always get my alignment right but you're WRONG and therefore SCUM response here. if anything it should be stronger cause i actually did flip scum 
it's right here.
TLDR:
- too much emphasis on NOT rolling scum (tone)
- reads in one big read post overexplained (specifically, he goes on a litany of why i'm scum that amounts to weaker opinions, then ends with a "mandatory" not-town conclusion instead of a scumread)
- his scumread does not incorporate the "meta-points" he used when he correctly identified me as scum in student VII; i'm contesting that if you make meta-points and are right on the alignment, you would assume your meta was correct
- deliberate taunting (weakest point)
frankly, he could still be town here. i'm aware of that. a lot of it is gut, but i really do believe he's scum
i said i want to lynch bh? so that doesn't apply?
viva...i just feel if he's town trying to change his meta he'll fail xP so more time seems fine to me. his buried claim is also weighing into this a little. i'm aware it could be faked. but i think it's more likely that it's not given the nature of the claim
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On May 13 2015 06:06 Vivax wrote:
I'm VT aka plebeian, you aren't losing much (besides I'd have to be afk the next 1 and a half/two days cause I go camping with a bunch of other people for a birthday party)
You know my reads, I don't explain them much, and that's fine cause I've been trying to hard as town in the past.
:/
i hope you're town.
and then i hope that you feel ashamed of yourself when i'm trying to play things close to the vest -_- meh
i obviously agree with marv that trying to change meta is fucking hard...i.e. my spamminess has already caught up with me, but i could see someone succeeding in the beginning -_- eh whatever
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<3 was hoping to get a response back from marv
but i'd be happy to lynch bh lol >< viva isn't acting like a scum about to be lynched imo
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On May 13 2015 07:14 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 07:04 Damdred wrote:
She won't lynch xata because I pushed him and she's upset with me I just checked her filter and she didn't really speak much on what alignment she think Xata is and would prefer her to explain her exact position on Xata right now(The post I saw of her thing about Xata was she might end up voting him but who knows). Anyways I going to vote Xata I think KSC's case on him and other people's thoughts on him are pretty solid and would allow Vivax to live for another day just hope he will step it up. ##Unvote
##Vote: Xatalos
i'm lynching bh
i don't care about xatalos, really, though i said i could lynch him because i have more reason to believe he's scum than town with his way of just parroting others' reads. perhaps it had to take him literally plucking ksc's read on me up and running with it for me to notice, but whatever. i'd prefer to look through his filter and see if that's a general thing, this stealing of reads and presenting them as his own...i agree that generally speaking the thread sentiment sheepage is real, but his reads i'm more interested. i do not have and will not take the time to verify that before EoD. i'm not lynching xata over bh or onegu
damdy, stop being emo. i will always take the opportunity to lynch a strong scumread over a weaker one. this isn't about you (anymore) -_- i don't understand why you did what you did given your reads, but i've been trying to figure out a scum motivation for it and can't come up with any -_- so you're probably just...i dunnae...being illogical as town. i suppose it happens...can't say it doesn't bug me but i don't think you're scum for it
thanks for the response, marv. and yeah, i agree in general with what you're saying :/ fortunately. it hadn't really happened before just now which was kinda weird to me
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frankly, unvoting sandroba when voting sandroba can't save you anyway isn't exactly impressive, bh
neither is scumreading me based on emoticons. i can kind of believe you think that i have it out for you, because you haven't gotten that i just like to tease you in the past xP (the joke from last post-game, remember?) i find your arrogance amusing and try to mimic it for lolz...my own personal pleasure lol ><
you were probably wrong on sandy. you're definitely wrong on me. the unvoting bit is boring; you'd do that anyway to try to avoid the lynch. trying to win...you'd do as either alignment. like nothing you're saying is particularly alignment indicative? i don't want to vote bats or vivax and i know that this means i'm potentially just a big sucker and naive but that's okay
xat had a pre-game excuse for his activity...so i guess it's possible he's just sucking activity wise? but frankly, i don't see how having less time makes a player less insightful. just insightful about LESS things. anyway
i dunnae bh. i'll be the first to admit i have trouble reading you. the jack-all on day 1 bit is bad play in general. can someone verify he does that in his town games who knows him better?
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On May 13 2015 08:43 Blazinghand wrote:
hahaha rsoultin cry all you want, I get to LIVE! You said you'd try to get me lynched no matter what in the next game D1, and guess what? you fuckin failed
I hope you're scum
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o.0 that was a joke?
dude you have no sense of humor lol >< i told ls i'd never defend him again and multiple people i'm policy lynching them every game, yet i never actually do it?
god you're an idiot lol ><
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well, i guess we'll see now if mafia knew the vt flavor \o/ i still highly doubt scum uses that to try to get a read on ls, but whatever. y'all do what you want. i'm not voting for vivax
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what i find remarkable is the batshit crazy people screaming about how quickly the lynch dissolved and reformed on blazinghand, seem perfectly fine with this sudden mass-switch to vivax
lol
at hts' bidding no less. i have a townread on her that i may have to revisit, but since when has she been the town rally player?
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:/
eh
well, i'll actually post something more coherent sometime between now and EoN
two posts left so...questions/discussion just you know make it clear you're asking me...i'll address those in a separate post. and i'll try to even write more collegiate for y'all even though it'll look all...high-fluting uppity xP just cause you know...brain cancer accusations and the incessant questions to clarify my reads despite the explanations in my filter
>> almost broke my heart there for a moment damdy
bueno...random sidebar
eden's gb meta that i kinda adore is how frequently he changes his vote as town...like a hyper-active jumping bean who can't make up his mind. i'll revisit his filter but that read has worked fairly well for me in the past and makes me inclined to think he's town here :/
-poofs for the night-
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heh. i've been sitting on things -_- but i'm terrible at sitting on things. firstly, because once ksc explained his read progression on me it actually did make sense (drunk sarcasm/not wanting to engage) and yes I'm leaning town on him now in part because of trfel's meta case, i'll help out the lazy. and yes, i'm going to transition into real sentences for legibility now. what blazinghand is referring to:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 07 2015 04:53 Blazinghand wrote:
/in
I'll be bringing my A game as I did in Noir before I was accidentally mislynched. I'm not even starting a new job in the near future!
PS: I won't RNG unless it's a good idea On May 07 2015 08:40 rsoultin wrote:
lol >>
<3
i found my day 1 lynch! xD On May 07 2015 09:44 Blazinghand wrote:
bring it on sonny On May 07 2015 10:14 rsoultin wrote:
\o/
Obviously I don't have it "out" for Blazinghand. I will say that I'm not a fan of his playstyle and that I have a hard time reading him. As for why I thought he was scum this game, a simple filter dive (which for some reason no one seems interested in doing?) shows my thought process pretty clearly. + Show Spoiler +On May 10 2015 15:50 rsoultin wrote:
4!
insomnia says hi!
[...]
bill murray and blazhinghand maybe looking for reactions? bill murray's entrance uber scummy and too willing to give away the postehs so don't have to post, and blazinghand quite brazenly lying in an easily discoverable way xP
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On May 11 2015 09:47 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 09:43 Blazinghand wrote:
point out a flaw in my logic if you see it. GB tried and turned out he wasn't reading the host posts. unless of ocurse you got a scum pm and that's why I'm wrong?
lol moronic is a state of being xP not dependent on any particular post of yours, but as for this particular game... sandy already pointed out what you failed to read, unless you think it makes sense for scum to sit there and choose their roles blindly independent of one another. i don't know that the hosts are such jokesters, and frankly i don't care, but obviously your list post was worthless anyway because according to you scum has already won not to mention you failed to read closely enough to even divide your categories properly bring something worth discussing or go away. tiresome one [...] On May 11 2015 10:00 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 09:56 Blazinghand wrote:
The hosts literally said that scum get a pm that says "mafia" dude. like, look, maybe i screwed up in reading filters, but unless you think the hosts literally lied, you should be saying "balzinghand, the idea is right but you did it wrong, sandro is town" or something. Clearly you're not intelligent enough to understand me, so I'm going to ignore you until I see evidence otherwose lol the idea is by definition wrong if you have more scum than town it's okay though. i <3 morons (i also speak bh \o/) not everyone can be expected to understand simple logic who should we lynch, tonto? On May 12 2015 02:25 rsoultin wrote:
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still think truffle is town so it's hard for me to see scum saving a townie but at the same time...i didn't really like bh's reasoning at all. truffle got mad so he's town? then why ask truffle why he should save him, then base his reasoning not on the answer but on truffle's initial reaction? that's bugging me more than it should maybe >< i dunnae. how likely is it for scum to save town here for towncred? i'm assuming he has multiple anti-nukes... On May 12 2015 03:40 rsoultin wrote:
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[...]
could lynch rol palmar honestly though it's kinda plynch-level for me, not sure why bh is town hero though...you don't find how he did the anti-nuke thing weird at all? like literally i'm townreading truffle and STILL have problems with it lol >< maybe i'm way off-base dunnae but it's just so...weird. like bh isn't being like him at all...not sure if it's cause it's a ver game or what but the closest he got to what i'd expect from him is saying i'm too stupid to understand his mad plays \o/
[...] On May 12 2015 05:11 rsoultin wrote:
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i should really f5...less inclined to lynch bh now :/ though i'd still like you to explain your thought process on truffle cause it's still hella weird
and yeah probably literally not going to look at this game again until tomorrow morning gonna run out of posts blah On May 13 2015 08:42 rsoultin wrote:
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frankly, unvoting sandroba when voting sandroba can't save you anyway isn't exactly impressive, bh
neither is scumreading me based on emoticons. i can kind of believe you think that i have it out for you, because you haven't gotten that i just like to tease you in the past xP (the joke from last post-game, remember?) i find your arrogance amusing and try to mimic it for lolz...my own personal pleasure lol ><
you were probably wrong on sandy. you're definitely wrong on me. the unvoting bit is boring; you'd do that anyway to try to avoid the lynch. trying to win...you'd do as either alignment. like nothing you're saying is particularly alignment indicative? i don't want to vote bats or vivax and i know that this means i'm potentially just a big sucker and naive but that's okay
xat had a pre-game excuse for his activity...so i guess it's possible he's just sucking activity wise? but frankly, i don't see how having less time makes a player less insightful. just insightful about LESS things. anyway
i dunnae bh. i'll be the first to admit i have trouble reading you. the jack-all on day 1 bit is bad play in general. can someone verify he does that in his town games who knows him better?
I was actually reading him town initially, because he was flaunting the fact that he was lying in thread about a broken computer by posting in our Community thread about playing some sort of game. I forget which. Probably Dota. Thus I figured maybe he was looking for reactions to get reads on people.
By the end of N0 he was in my nullish category for lack of anything to really read him on. Then he posted his town/scum lists based on the pretty queer hypothesis that scum didn't know each other yet. I can see where he got it from if he's town, given Hapahauli's post, however it defies logic and as such I didn't find it impressive (not to mention he clearly didn't read people closely enough, because his categories weren't even right by his own criteria), but notably I did not think he was scum for it, just being illogical.
And yes, I called him a moron and started talking down to him as a joke, imitating his way of talking to people. As I've said before, I find it amusing how he talks and it's something of a guilty pleasure to posture to him while mimicking him. What's mafia without having a little fun?
My first real suspicion of Blazinghand started when he used his anti-nuke on a townread of mine, ironically. Why? Because he took the time to ask Trfel why Trfel thought that he deserved to be saved, which implies that he was still trying to determine Trfel's alignment. Yet his reason for saving Trfel was simply that Trfel was angry about being nuked? Then why ask the question if he'd already decided that was enough to make Trfel town? It was strange, and although I asked Blazinghand about it (directly and indirectly) he never clarified. (Also, just going to put this out there: Trfel is someone I am exceedingly good at reading, and typically disagree with a lot of people on (i.e. Noir 3, Student Mafia V, Newbie Mini Mafia LXI, etc. in my profile, I tend to read him right and early). Perhaps it's arrogance, but I don't actually expect people to townread (or scumread) him as soon or as accurately as me, based on past experience. Objectively Trfel had done nothing terribly townie at that point. I read him on tone.)
An explanation would not be complete without the moment of doubt. I had Blazinghand as scum in my mind and was ready to lynch him with the Marvellosity nuke, before he came in and shot that down, too. At first, that made me think that maybe he could be town, given some of Marvellosity's recent posting (namely the being dickish which he himself admits is a towntell of his) suggested town to me.
As he continued to do nothing or weigh in on anything, however, I became increasingly convinced that he was scum riding that fun anti-nuke towncred. As I noted in the final post while he was flailing around in an attempt to avoid getting lynched, nothing he was saying at the time was really alignment-indicative. He wanted to "win", to "not get lynched". Okay? Scum wants the same things. He changed his read on sandroba. Okay? He needed to unvote sandroba anyway to save himself. He may have spewed a lot of words, but I fail to see what was so impressive about them.
Bonus: Vivax was town for a few clear reasons. First, he knew the vanilla VT flavor. Yes, I am claiming vanilla VT because frankly it has to be damn obvious by now. Vivax first brought up that he was a "pleb" talking to LightningStrike, which to me looked like he was trying to get a read on LS...it definitely would mean nothing to anyone who wasn't VT, him claiming that. I even checked prior Ver games to be sure this flavor hadn't been used before. Since this didn't come at a time when a scum Vivax would be likely to ask the hosts for a fake claim, I accepted it on faith. Additionally, his reaction to being wagoned was excessively townie. He did not panic. He started dumping reads for after his flip. If there was a sense of panic with the reads dump, it would not have been alignment indicative, but he clearly wanted his thoughts in thread before he died and didn't care about the lynch itself. Anyone scumreading him after that, frankly, just cannot read tone or is scum.
I would never, ever vote Vivax over Blazinghand Day One because of how sure I was that Vivax was town. Plain and simple.
Now does everyone understand why I do not usually play this way? I am writing novels and people are unlikely to read novels. At least my thought process should be excessively clear this way.
Now...because I need to finish my term papers and do not want to forget...I do have a crappy association element involved in my read on Blazinghand:
Marvellosity did not react to being nuked. It took me awhile to really notice this, but Marvellosity, who flames people for scumreading him when he's town and loses his shit did not react to being nuked. That suggests to me that the nuke would not succeed. He also did not flame me for scumreading him early, but instead criticized (I believe) Oatsmaster (could be OWS if my memory is failing me) for defending him. This is a very rational response since he didn't look town at all early game however Marvellosity is typically not rational at all about being scumread.
I've had a townread on Bill Murray for awhile. Some of it is tone. Some of it is I liked the thought process going into some of his reads (whether I agreed with it or not). That left Blazinghand. Why is Marvellosity not afraid of the nuke? Not angry about it? Blazinghand will anti-nuke it. And he did.
Now, admittedly recently it occurred to me that Blazinghand possibly could be town (despite his complete lack of contributions to Day One while riding that towncred) and scum simply has an anti-nuke role, too. It is highly likely that scum could have such a role for obvious reasons.
Add on to this that Marvellosity started a train on Blazinghand, then came back in and switched for very poor reasons back to Vivax, despite stating earlier that Vivax looked better than both Xatalos and Blazinghand. Even if we accept that a "baked" Marvellosity really thought that Blazinghand's posting looked so good at EoD, where did the Xatalos read go? Apparently it fell off the face of the earth.
I still am highly suspicious of Marvellosity and Blazinghand for the above-stated reasons. I choose to post this now because I want to make sure this gets into the thread in case I don't have time for full reads, as I really need to get my schoolwork done.
To round out my current scumreads, Xatalos looks terrible by association, and I think that Damdred's read on him is probably correct given past history (Carol). I also noticed how he seems to pluck up others' reads, not just thread sentiment. (KelsierSC's read on me is one example.)
Lastly, Onegu. Independent of everyone else, on tone and familiarity with him (note his complete lack of presence at EoD?) I still strongly believe that he is scum. But honestly he probably is not high-priority compared to the others.
I do not have a fifth scum. I have plenty of townreads or leans, but I imagine the fifth is somewhere in the lurkers that are currently impossible to read.
lol! that was way too long a post >< please don't make me be all serious and wordy again ;o; i much prefer sarcasm
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On May 13 2015 23:42 marvellosity wrote:
rsoultin, are you suggesting that with a town-Vivax leading the votes by quite some margin, I decide to create and repeatedly push a wagon on my scumbuddy for some reason?
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I wasn't going to use my last post for this but :/ meh. At least then I won't be distracted by the game lol.
I'm more suspicious of you than Blazinghand, actually. I think your reaction to the nuke and your behavior around EoD is highly suspicious. Whether that's because I'm wrong on Bill Murray, Blazinghand is a scum anti-nuker, or there's another anti-nuker hiding somewhere in the ranks, doesn't really matter.
The baked thing is kind of convenient but I've never seen you use that excuse before in any of the games we've played together. The Xatalos read flat-out disappeared when you returned to the thread.
Quite simply, following a logical train of thought on the presumption that I am right on both you and Blazinghand, you pushed a lynch on your scum buddy to be able to say that you pushed a lynch on your scum buddy if he eventually flipped. You did not follow through. Now why could that be? Yes, that looks scummy. You usually do not do obviously scummy things as scum...you're usually aware of how you look. However, if Blazinghand flips scum you and Trfel will immediately come under suspicion. So yes, I think it's quite possible for you to both push him and then go out of your way to protect him, despite how bad it looks, if you are scum together.
It is quite feasible and certainly not reason enough to clear either of you.
Bats is town because Vivax is town. Filter dive him VE.
Bats thought sandroba was scum because sandroba kept pushing him after the claim. I asked him how realistic that was because, obviously, not all town are vanilla town anyway. Sandroba is also likely town for many reasons.
Sorry, Palmar...I'm leaning town on you but I don't agree on your sandroba read  He also recognized what bats was talking about. Yes, I've been using bats and vivax to get some reads of my own lol
This was my last post.
The sadness.
GB
Trfel
Damdred
HTS
Bats
Sandroba
I'm pretty sure are town here.
Town leans on
Palmar
Yamato (he's falling because I actually didn't really like his behavior around EoD either, odd as that sounds; he just seemed too sure. however there's a very good reason he might be sure, which would be the same reason i was sure, so i'll keep him in my town leans)
OWS (tonal. i can't explain it. it's just a feeling and shouldn't be taken too seriously)
LS (though honestly I'm a little disturbed by his lack of contribution lately and maybe he should be dropped back to null)
those i haven't explicitly mentioned as scum and don't appear on this list are null...or i forgot them :/ which probably means they're null anyway. VE, I just don't know you well enough to read you, sorry
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77 of infinity! ahem (i won't really do that lol selfish selfish i'll just take...3 for now (79))
i forgot ksc in my pretty sure they're town list :/ now i feel ashamed
VE, it was bats' filter i wanted you to look at, not vivax's
also lol >< town!palmar pure tone he just makes me laugh ><
marv, i don't really care if you don't think it's that likely that you and bh are scum together. that doesn't say why you're not scum or why he isn't, and i've already acknowledged that i could be wrong on him. i even could be wrong on bm but i just don't think so -shrugs-
regardless you missed the part where even if bm is scum i still think you're scum xP
-does the i caught a scumlet! dance-
the thing about your xata read dear since you like using that word xP is that after you said you were feeling better about xata, you went on to say xata was a better lynch than vivax -shrugs-
and no matter what you say
the lack of reaction to the nuke
is
weird
strange
not town
you knew it either wasn't real or wasn't going to hit
okay okay last post probably don't want to like flood this place
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On May 14 2015 01:30 marvellosity wrote:
I caught a scum and he launched a retaliatory nuke at me. Usually I get mad at townies doing retarded things ^^
Plus I already knew BH was an anti-nuker, and if BH was going to shoot Trfel's nuke down and not mine, then I really would be speechless. And I think you can grasp that that doesn't even depend on BH's alignment, so it doesn't matter.
Save your scumlet dance for when you actually catch a scum. Dear. dear. Oh dear.
= no reaction at all
cool xP if i'm wrong i'll apologize later but...not highly believable
i'd still react
i'd be like lol!fail \o/
and do little happy taunting dances at the scumlet shooting nukes at me
granted, you're not as fun as me xP but you are a bit of a sarcastic one; i'd expect at least a snark
noooooo reaction. not grrr. not taunt. not lol
odd odd odd
not going to argue with my scumread
town!marv should find me the real scum though <3
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On May 14 2015 03:08 Onegu wrote:
Ok LS is lieing he doesnt have any strong scum reads at all this game. He scum read vivax for being different than what he remembers. Then after scum reading Vivax all game he wants to switch to xata because, well Im not really sure he never really gives a good reason to...
A town LS actively looks for scum. He is not doing any of that this game.
Second read his filter he is basicly only giving town reads. And commenting on what is popular in the thread. I mean he made 3 posts on who the smurf is...
This isnt a LS town game.
@rsoul. LOL at making a novel and then putting inside of it that people wont read it because it is a novel... <3. Still think you are scum with LS this game. You should have no reason to townread him at this point.
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Someone bothered to read it! \o/ Blazinghand and to a lesser extent VE clearly didn't, but that's okay. I realize that um...reading is like, hard. And stuff. Apparently. Or I'm just boring when I'm not giving people head cancer.
Why don't you actually give some reads? I'm bored with your wrong scumread on me, and I already have LS as my weakest townlean for practically the same reason you just cited, so that's boring, too.
Do you have anything new? Lots of stuff happened, but you're not talking about any of it? Do you have any comments about the content of the novel I wrote regarding Marvellosity and Blazinghand, or are you just going to pick a random sentence to demonstrate that you read it?
I'm willing to keep trying to figure out your alignment. I'm not convinced that you're trying to figure out mine at all. You may be a tunneled town (you've done it with me before) but if so...can you pretend for a moment that you might be wrong and discuss this game with me so that if I'm wrong I can move on to real scum?
Please and thank you!
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On May 14 2015 03:37 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 03:13 rsoultin wrote:On May 14 2015 03:08 Onegu wrote:
Ok LS is lieing he doesnt have any strong scum reads at all this game. He scum read vivax for being different than what he remembers. Then after scum reading Vivax all game he wants to switch to xata because, well Im not really sure he never really gives a good reason to...
A town LS actively looks for scum. He is not doing any of that this game.
Second read his filter he is basicly only giving town reads. And commenting on what is popular in the thread. I mean he made 3 posts on who the smurf is...
This isnt a LS town game.
@rsoul. LOL at making a novel and then putting inside of it that people wont read it because it is a novel... <3. Still think you are scum with LS this game. You should have no reason to townread him at this point. 79/79 Someone bothered to read it! \o/ Blazinghand and to a lesser extent VE clearly didn't, but that's okay. I realize that um...reading is like, hard. And stuff. Apparently. Or I'm just boring when I'm not giving people head cancer. Why don't you actually give some reads? I'm bored with your wrong scumread on me, and I already have LS as my weakest townlean for practically the same reason you just cited, so that's boring, too. Do you have anything new? Lots of stuff happened, but you're not talking about any of it? Do you have any comments about the content of the novel I wrote regarding Marvellosity and Blazinghand, or are you just going to pick a random sentence to demonstrate that you read it? I'm willing to keep trying to figure out your alignment. I'm not convinced that you're trying to figure out mine at all. You may be a tunneled town (you've done it with me before) but if so...can you pretend for a moment that you might be wrong and discuss this game with me so that if I'm wrong I can move on to real scum? Please and thank you! You dont know how I play yet I focus in on what I find interesting. Right now thats you and LS. LS looks much worse then you now though.
80/84
Yeah, I don't even understand your scumread on me, frankly xP It's like you decided at some point early on in the game that I was scum come hell or high water lol. Which is a little...okay, this isn't a nice word, but retarded, frankly. I know you suck at reading me sometimes, but this game you're taking it to an extreme.
Onegu, dude, you can't just ignore 80% of the game and expect me to townread you for it when you claim to be actually trying. The majority of the world actually, you know, pays attention to what is going on and has opinions on it. If this is your genuine serious way of playing, you should probably consider approaching the game differently or sticking to the just playing around, because I can't find a reason to townread you beyond...well maybe he could actually be this bad -_- Which is not the way that I like to approach reads.
Don't let me stop you from poking at LS, though. If you actually have questions for me I'd appreciate if you asked them, yeah?
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On May 14 2015 04:02 Blazinghand wrote:3/15 Table of Contents (with links!)(link) Calling out Rso (link) Batsnacks Convo (link) RE: Gb's read on BM (link) BASICALLY A MONDO CASE ON GLOWINGBEAR resoultinShow nested quote +On May 14 2015 03:13 rsoultin wrote:On May 14 2015 03:08 Onegu wrote:
Ok LS is lieing he doesnt have any strong scum reads at all this game. He scum read vivax for being different than what he remembers. Then after scum reading Vivax all game he wants to switch to xata because, well Im not really sure he never really gives a good reason to...
A town LS actively looks for scum. He is not doing any of that this game.
Second read his filter he is basicly only giving town reads. And commenting on what is popular in the thread. I mean he made 3 posts on who the smurf is...
This isnt a LS town game.
@rsoul. LOL at making a novel and then putting inside of it that people wont read it because it is a novel... <3. Still think you are scum with LS this game. You should have no reason to townread him at this point. 79/79 Someone bothered to read it! \o/ Blazinghand and to a lesser extent VE clearly didn't, but that's okay. I realize that um...reading is like, hard. And stuff. Apparently. Or I'm just boring when I'm not giving people head cancer. I read it. Your stated read is that scumread me because I was inactive, despite the fact that I shot down nukes that you thought were a good idea to be shot down. It was actually WAY more legible than your usual post, and I think you for putting effort into it. The fact that you were willing to produce a post that wasn't punctuated with weird emoticons makes me less likely to scumread you for intentional obfuscation of yrou posts. In regards to what you consider joking or not, the fact of the matter is that you're either bad or scum, and when you try to make yourself legible like this, the third possibility (which is that you're actually good) shines through. Keep up the good work. I haven't had time to read your filter, becasue reading your writing is actually pretty awful usually, but I'll get around to you. Keep on claiming you're joking, though. That's a classic. The fact of the matter is, your reads on me are shit. They've always been shit, and it looks like unless you are wililng to learn from experience, or like actually read meta when you make or accept meta reads, they always will be. I'm sure you're a capable player in your own way, though. Here's what I want from you, rsoultin. For the rest of your game, post in a way that's comprehensible to other players. Every time you write a post that's mostly waffling, "..."s and smileys, or trying to make your reads seem non-serious or generally nonsensical, I will ignore that post except to note that it seems scummy (in effect, this is how some players already treat your posts. I was talking to some guy earlier, I think KSC? who legit was almost scumreading you, becasue of how you strcuture things). If you communicate in a responsible way, you can expect responsible communication from me. Otherwise, if you act like garbage, I'll treat you like the trash you are and take you out. BatsnacksShow nested quote +On May 14 2015 03:02 batsnacks wrote:
@BH would you have voted Sandro if not for survival purposes? Given that sandro only got like 1 or 2 not-me votes, your question doens't seem relevant. When I vote people for survival purposes, I generally announce that I'm doing so (as I did with Vivax). For some reason people like to think this is a scumtell, and almost wagoned back on to me for being honest about it. I don't hide my motivations from the town about these things. In any case, I voted Sandro cause Palmar voted him, and that's basically it. Palmar is usually right. When Sandro actually investigated my meta and like, did reading (he was literally the only person who bothered) I unvoted him. There's no way scum would bother ACTUALLY doing research about the case when literally nobody else was researching my meta, just making stupid uninformed statements about it. He had no reason to do that as scum, so I unvoted him. I trusted my own read more than Palmar's. Palmar apparently is now townreading Sandro also, so I feel pretty good about that. Nice try dojjing my questions though. What's the deal with the Sandro read?
THE PARDON and GB's thoughts on BM: Nothing suspicious here, just some obesrvations and questionsHey Stutters, I'm sure you've got a lot on your plate, but I'd like to hear a bit more on your thoughts about THE PARDON. Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 01:41 Stutters695 wrote:
##give 10 posts to Rsoultin
Finishing catching up, what the fuck was that pardon?
Sorry about my absence. Let's talk about the Pardon. note: GB Pardoned BM, in this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24247342Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 20:14 GlowingBear wrote:
##Pardon: Bill Murray
Now lynch someone that is scum.
Bye. basically, he's like "BM is town, don't lynch him" and pardons him, after both nukes and anti-nukes. This is pretty fitting with his hard defense of Bill (link) though it's worth noting he wavers (link) before later making up his mind that he will save Bill (link) after there's an outpouring of people giving BM posts (an outpouring that was never given to me in my time of need; my warning and censure is a result of that. if you get mad that my posts are super consolidated / long that's because you didn't give me posts yesterday. Give me some at the start of D2 and I will be more conversational) Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 07:31 GlowingBear wrote:
If truffle is town, BH was trying to get town cred
If truffle is Mafia, BH was protecting a scum partner. I'd also like to note that this is pretty hilarious. You won't let the evidence get in yoru way GB???? Also, GB seems to have a major boner for getting me to give some kind of read on the essentially illegible BM: Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 08:17 GlowingBear wrote:On May 12 2015 08:13 Blazinghand wrote:On May 12 2015 08:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh boy. Kelsen. BH IS up for the lynch today.
Oh boy.
Oh. Boy. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ostJwEM.jpg) On May 12 2015 08:11 GlowingBear wrote:
BH, is BM scum?
haha, i have no idea dude. shouldn't you be asking me about my reads on JAT (who I voted), or Trfel and Marv, who I saved? lern 2 interrogate On May 12 2015 08:11 GlowingBear wrote:
Yamato, my reads are not based on confirmation stuff. It's based on my extraordinarily poor understanding of Blazinghand, Mafia, and human nature in general. No need to get yourself down dude you can just move on to another person HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! I love you BH But no, I should be asking you. How can you stop two nukes without considering the launcher's alignment? Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, after BM was pardoned D1, it may not have been the worst idea to kill him, just cause he'd be a pain in the discourse. The no flip, though. that fuckin noflip gets me good because even though BM was probably town, if he was scum I'd be on e-z street collecting all mah towncred
GB's thoughts on Blazinghand and weird EoD activity D1Ok, getting a bit off topic here. I guess GB really had a described townread on Bill Murray. GB, I'd be interested to hear more from you about this. Clearly you were townreading Bill Murray hard, then you said there's no way we're lynching him, then when we tried, you PARDONED him. So here's an interesting question for you, GB. You very accurately pointed out it's pretty much impossible that BM and I would be on a scumteam together. It would be the hieght of stupidity for hte scumteam to waste two nukes AND two anti-nukes in such a fashion. It seems that even after BM got no-flip vigied, you're pretty confident he's town (not that tehre's anything wrong with that). You pardoned him. You gave him votes. You fought for him. And when people pointed out the possbility of weird things with his alignment (like Oats' suggestion of a BM BH scumteam) you pointed out the various flaws there. That's all fine, but I'm confused in how that plays in with your read of me. Your only actual vote of me was literally because you didn't want to vote with Marv (link) and otherwise your posting about me has been a little confused, to say the least. You scumread me for a strange reason here: Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 07:52 GlowingBear wrote:
To me, Kelsen, BH asked Palmar's permission so he could blame Palmar once marv flips read. This is somehow approaching WIFOM territory, but very plausible.
when, there was like 20 seconds of me hesitating to save marv. wtheck dude, I didn't actually ask Palm's permission, IWas like "hey palm what should I do" since he has good reads then I was like "fuck it, I'll save marv". Now maybe your theory is I saved marv because like, I'm scum with him. Sure. But why the weird Palm permission thing that's obviously literally false? Then, starting after the Pardon you keep on asking people to lynch me without writing a case (link) (link) before voting Oats for reasons that you don't super elaborate until like, tonight (link) though of course you mention the inconrguities earlier. So at this point, you've scumread me and made vague efforts to form a lynch on me, and scumread oats and voted him. Then the vivax wagon collapses and everyone starts voting me, who is one of your scumreads. At this moment, people are unvoting vivax and voting me. Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 07:25 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, this switch to BH wagon feels unnatural and I bet we have at least one scum in the main wagons.
I'm voting Vivax or Oats today. No one else. Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 07:28 GlowingBear wrote:
YOU STUPID TOWN
LOOK HOW EASILY THE WAGON ON BH WAS FORMED AND HOW EASILY VIVAX WAGON WAS DISBANDED
JUST
USE
YOUR
FUCKING
BRAINS!!!!! This is after you say, Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 00:53 GlowingBear wrote:On May 13 2015 00:47 Half the Sky wrote:45/60 Marv - by that same token, do you think he's being vague in regards to Vivax or is that read from him reasonable? He's using meta as a reason to townread Vivax despite Vivax's wanting to trash his town meta (which I would think should make Sandroba disregard meta as well??). But I was asking him to look into the content. His first few reads in the beginning were fine. On May 13 2015 00:33 marvellosity wrote:
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also sand is right, i don't really know why the things you said about him would make him mafia
i think if sand is mafia he's chosen this game to play much, much, much better than normal for some reason. i don't really think that's the case
his VE read - i think a couple people picked up on that because they didn't like it - well, ok, but VE in years gone by (when sand played a lot more) was MUCH more active than he plays these days. It wasn't an unfair thing for him to think, and i think him saying openly that he wasn't married to his VE read looks ok for him I can't comment on the VE read as I'm not even that familiar with VE now other than he doesn't strike me as a town leader. But I just didn't like his responses on Vivax. In any case he's probably and shouldn't get lynched today for it, but I just found it dicey. GB - Oatsmaster is a third choice for me behind Vivax/Xatalos. I think either of the latter two are more likely to get lynched over him. Going to be back around EoD although I don't have too many posts left either. (Any questions (anyone) ask away and I'll consolidate them to save posts.) Could you point out why Vivax or Xatalos are better lynches? Even if you already have. I'll save posts now. I'll probably deliver a case on oats for you to evaluate, and maybe that consolidated list post I am promising since start of the day To marv, and Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 07:25 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, this switch to BH wagon feels unnatural and I bet we have at least one scum in the main wagons.
I'm voting Vivax or Oats today. No one else. This is all very strange. Let me summarize my confusion on GB:So, to be clear, your first mention of vivax is like "why are vivax or xat better lynches??". Half the Sky responds with a SUPER lackluster case (link) which you never respond to, and then you're like "I'm only voting Vivax or Oats" about 6 hours later with no explanation (link) AT ALL. Okay, fine, whatever. And then, when people jump off the Vivax wagon and onto me, your fllip the FUCK out (link) DESPITE the fact that your'e also scumreading me apparently, so I guess I'm town now? Or maybe you mistrust the shenannies, I guess. But then, when people move BACK onto Vivax, who you reallyw anted to lynch over me, your other scumread, you vote me, the guy who you were really mad people were wagoning onto, on the basis of "not voting with marv" (link). So, I'm really confused here, GlowingBear. It seems like the obvious explanation here is that you're scum and wanted to seem frantic and cause confusion around the deadline as town waflled between two townies. However, maybe there's some actual thought process that coudl explain your actions right a deadline? Maybe some reasoning as to why you flipped out when people moved off of your vivax scumread and onto me? Was I not a scumread of yours, or was I? When people voted me, you were worried, but then when they voted vivax, you switched to me, despite being only willing to vote oats or vivax. Before you make up a lie story, remember that you're claiming to have made an unflipped associative tell (link)
81/84
Frankly, no.
xD Some random townie once told me, I refuse to be intimidated or threatened! Do you realize how fucking ridiculous it would be for me to write posts like that constantly? The majority of this site can look at my meta and not be complete shit players and realize that I'm town despite the emoticons and the jumping around. This is how I play. This is my meta which actually, you should be quite familiar with given how many games you've hosted with me in them.
I refuse...to do...what you...refuse...to do. I refuse...to play differently...just because...you're threatening...to lynch me.
I wrote that post expressly for the purposes of making it easier for people to follow me that one time, and while I may consider changing how I play in the future, I will not be strong-armed. Threatened. Intimidated. You may lynch me, but you will just prove how scum or shit you are, and how little awareness you actually have of the thread. So bring it on. I'm graduating this weekend and I could care less for once if y'all mislynch me.
You think you're good enough to get the world to follow you on a mislynch of a clear, obvious, practically confirmed (if you were reading at all) town? Maybe you are. You're great at bullshitting, and maybe you'd even believe it. However, if you're town and trying to win you'd drop this bullshit trying to force me to play differently and actually find scum.
You yourself said that I am one of the most universally townread players on this site on a regular basis, a standard Night One (let me add Night Two/medic save xP) night kill because it's just so obvious.
So are you now honestly admitting to being worse than practically the entirety of TL Mafia at identifying obvious townies?
lolol ><
Please. Do. Try to lynch me. Prove how fucking bad you are. \o/
Nice WIFOM on the night kill bit btw.
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82/84
-facedesks-
I give up I'm just gonna go back to my regular play lol ><
-dances on a table-
bats is town! bh is dumb! (and when you see how dumb you are i will lolololol)
gb is town! bh is dumb!
bh is dumb or scum!
talkingdead, of course my giant posts look different xP that's the point. i never post that way lol ><
i am town! you all are dumb!
and bh admits to wanting to lynch a tooooownie just because he doesn't like how she plaaaaaays
-dances on the table some more-
(legitimately, td, if i've got facts wrong you should bring it up...i did filter dive but a lot of that is from memory :/)
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83/83
END OF NIGHT POST
##give last post to GB
Please don't give me any more posts, guys lol >< OWS is right I'm just...well not shit-fighting with everyone; that's an exaggeration. But spamming and shit-fighting with BH definitely lol >< I'd like to say I have good enough self-control but obviously that's not the case.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 13 2015 23:38 rsoultin wrote:75/76 heh. i've been sitting on things -_- but i'm terrible at sitting on things. firstly, because once ksc explained his read progression on me it actually did make sense (drunk sarcasm/not wanting to engage) and yes I'm leaning town on him now in part because of trfel's meta case, i'll help out the lazy. and yes, i'm going to transition into real sentences for legibility now. what blazinghand is referring to: + Show Spoiler +On May 07 2015 04:53 Blazinghand wrote:
/in
I'll be bringing my A game as I did in Noir before I was accidentally mislynched. I'm not even starting a new job in the near future!
PS: I won't RNG unless it's a good idea On May 07 2015 08:40 rsoultin wrote:
lol >>
<3
i found my day 1 lynch! xD On May 07 2015 09:44 Blazinghand wrote:
bring it on sonny On May 07 2015 10:14 rsoultin wrote:
\o/ Maybe I generally overestimate people's ability to differentiate between teasing and being completely serious. I thought it was clear that this was just me poking fun at him after last game, where I was one of the main forces behind his mislynch Day One and he proceeded to spend literal days flaming everyone for it in the obs QT. Obviously I don't have it "out" for Blazinghand. I will say that I'm not a fan of his playstyle and that I have a hard time reading him. As for why I thought he was scum this game, a simple filter dive (which for some reason no one seems interested in doing?) shows my thought process pretty clearly. + Show Spoiler +On May 10 2015 15:50 rsoultin wrote:
4!
insomnia says hi!
[...]
bill murray and blazhinghand maybe looking for reactions? bill murray's entrance uber scummy and too willing to give away the postehs so don't have to post, and blazinghand quite brazenly lying in an easily discoverable way xP
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On May 11 2015 09:47 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 09:43 Blazinghand wrote:
point out a flaw in my logic if you see it. GB tried and turned out he wasn't reading the host posts. unless of ocurse you got a scum pm and that's why I'm wrong?
lol moronic is a state of being xP not dependent on any particular post of yours, but as for this particular game... sandy already pointed out what you failed to read, unless you think it makes sense for scum to sit there and choose their roles blindly independent of one another. i don't know that the hosts are such jokesters, and frankly i don't care, but obviously your list post was worthless anyway because according to you scum has already won not to mention you failed to read closely enough to even divide your categories properly bring something worth discussing or go away. tiresome one [...] On May 11 2015 10:00 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 09:56 Blazinghand wrote:
The hosts literally said that scum get a pm that says "mafia" dude. like, look, maybe i screwed up in reading filters, but unless you think the hosts literally lied, you should be saying "balzinghand, the idea is right but you did it wrong, sandro is town" or something. Clearly you're not intelligent enough to understand me, so I'm going to ignore you until I see evidence otherwose lol the idea is by definition wrong if you have more scum than town it's okay though. i <3 morons (i also speak bh \o/) not everyone can be expected to understand simple logic who should we lynch, tonto? On May 12 2015 02:25 rsoultin wrote:
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still think truffle is town so it's hard for me to see scum saving a townie but at the same time...i didn't really like bh's reasoning at all. truffle got mad so he's town? then why ask truffle why he should save him, then base his reasoning not on the answer but on truffle's initial reaction? that's bugging me more than it should maybe >< i dunnae. how likely is it for scum to save town here for towncred? i'm assuming he has multiple anti-nukes... On May 12 2015 03:40 rsoultin wrote:
17/60
[...]
could lynch rol palmar honestly though it's kinda plynch-level for me, not sure why bh is town hero though...you don't find how he did the anti-nuke thing weird at all? like literally i'm townreading truffle and STILL have problems with it lol >< maybe i'm way off-base dunnae but it's just so...weird. like bh isn't being like him at all...not sure if it's cause it's a ver game or what but the closest he got to what i'd expect from him is saying i'm too stupid to understand his mad plays \o/
[...] On May 12 2015 05:11 rsoultin wrote:
21/60
i should really f5...less inclined to lynch bh now :/ though i'd still like you to explain your thought process on truffle cause it's still hella weird
and yeah probably literally not going to look at this game again until tomorrow morning gonna run out of posts blah On May 13 2015 08:42 rsoultin wrote:
70/76
frankly, unvoting sandroba when voting sandroba can't save you anyway isn't exactly impressive, bh
neither is scumreading me based on emoticons. i can kind of believe you think that i have it out for you, because you haven't gotten that i just like to tease you in the past xP (the joke from last post-game, remember?) i find your arrogance amusing and try to mimic it for lolz...my own personal pleasure lol ><
you were probably wrong on sandy. you're definitely wrong on me. the unvoting bit is boring; you'd do that anyway to try to avoid the lynch. trying to win...you'd do as either alignment. like nothing you're saying is particularly alignment indicative? i don't want to vote bats or vivax and i know that this means i'm potentially just a big sucker and naive but that's okay
xat had a pre-game excuse for his activity...so i guess it's possible he's just sucking activity wise? but frankly, i don't see how having less time makes a player less insightful. just insightful about LESS things. anyway
i dunnae bh. i'll be the first to admit i have trouble reading you. the jack-all on day 1 bit is bad play in general. can someone verify he does that in his town games who knows him better? I was actually reading him town initially, because he was flaunting the fact that he was lying in thread about a broken computer by posting in our Community thread about playing some sort of game. I forget which. Probably Dota. Thus I figured maybe he was looking for reactions to get reads on people. By the end of N0 he was in my nullish category for lack of anything to really read him on. Then he posted his town/scum lists based on the pretty queer hypothesis that scum didn't know each other yet. I can see where he got it from if he's town, given Hapahauli's post, however it defies logic and as such I didn't find it impressive (not to mention he clearly didn't read people closely enough, because his categories weren't even right by his own criteria), but notably I did not think he was scum for it, just being illogical.And yes, I called him a moron and started talking down to him as a joke, imitating his way of talking to people. As I've said before, I find it amusing how he talks and it's something of a guilty pleasure to posture to him while mimicking him. What's mafia without having a little fun? My first real suspicion of Blazinghand started when he used his anti-nuke on a townread of mine, ironically. Why? Because he took the time to ask Trfel why Trfel thought that he deserved to be saved, which implies that he was still trying to determine Trfel's alignment. Yet his reason for saving Trfel was simply that Trfel was angry about being nuked? Then why ask the question if he'd already decided that was enough to make Trfel town? It was strange, and although I asked Blazinghand about it (directly and indirectly) he never clarified. (Also, just going to put this out there: Trfel is someone I am exceedingly good at reading, and typically disagree with a lot of people on (i.e. Noir 3, Student Mafia V, Newbie Mini Mafia LXI, etc. in my profile, I tend to read him right and early). Perhaps it's arrogance, but I don't actually expect people to townread (or scumread) him as soon or as accurately as me, based on past experience. Objectively Trfel had done nothing terribly townie at that point. I read him on tone.) An explanation would not be complete without the moment of doubt. I had Blazinghand as scum in my mind and was ready to lynch him with the Marvellosity nuke, before he came in and shot that down, too. At first, that made me think that maybe he could be town, given some of Marvellosity's recent posting (namely the being dickish which he himself admits is a towntell of his) suggested town to me. As he continued to do nothing or weigh in on anything, however, I became increasingly convinced that he was scum riding that fun anti-nuke towncred. As I noted in the final post while he was flailing around in an attempt to avoid getting lynched, nothing he was saying at the time was really alignment-indicative. He wanted to "win", to "not get lynched". Okay? Scum wants the same things. He changed his read on sandroba. Okay? He needed to unvote sandroba anyway to save himself. He may have spewed a lot of words, but I fail to see what was so impressive about them. Bonus: Vivax was town for a few clear reasons. First, he knew the vanilla VT flavor. Yes, I am claiming vanilla VT because frankly it has to be damn obvious by now. Vivax first brought up that he was a "pleb" talking to LightningStrike, which to me looked like he was trying to get a read on LS...it definitely would mean nothing to anyone who wasn't VT, him claiming that. I even checked prior Ver games to be sure this flavor hadn't been used before. Since this didn't come at a time when a scum Vivax would be likely to ask the hosts for a fake claim, I accepted it on faith. Additionally, his reaction to being wagoned was excessively townie. He did not panic. He started dumping reads for after his flip. If there was a sense of panic with the reads dump, it would not have been alignment indicative, but he clearly wanted his thoughts in thread before he died and didn't care about the lynch itself. Anyone scumreading him after that, frankly, just cannot read tone or is scum. I would never, ever vote Vivax over Blazinghand Day One because of how sure I was that Vivax was town. Plain and simple.
Now does everyone understand why I do not usually play this way? I am writing novels and people are unlikely to read novels. At least my thought process should be excessively clear this way. Now...because I need to finish my term papers and do not want to forget...I do have a crappy association element involved in my read on Blazinghand: Marvellosity did not react to being nuked. It took me awhile to really notice this, but Marvellosity, who flames people for scumreading him when he's town and loses his shit did not react to being nuked. That suggests to me that the nuke would not succeed. He also did not flame me for scumreading him early, but instead criticized (I believe) Oatsmaster (could be OWS if my memory is failing me) for defending him. This is a very rational response since he didn't look town at all early game however Marvellosity is typically not rational at all about being scumread. I've had a townread on Bill Murray for awhile. Some of it is tone. Some of it is I liked the thought process going into some of his reads (whether I agreed with it or not). That left Blazinghand. Why is Marvellosity not afraid of the nuke? Not angry about it? Blazinghand will anti-nuke it. And he did. Now, admittedly recently it occurred to me that Blazinghand possibly could be town (despite his complete lack of contributions to Day One while riding that towncred) and scum simply has an anti-nuke role, too. It is highly likely that scum could have such a role for obvious reasons. Add on to this that Marvellosity started a train on Blazinghand, then came back in and switched for very poor reasons back to Vivax, despite stating earlier that Vivax looked better than both Xatalos and Blazinghand. Even if we accept that a "baked" Marvellosity really thought that Blazinghand's posting looked so good at EoD, where did the Xatalos read go? Apparently it fell off the face of the earth.
I still am highly suspicious of Marvellosity and Blazinghand for the above-stated reasons. I choose to post this now because I want to make sure this gets into the thread in case I don't have time for full reads, as I really need to get my schoolwork done. To round out my current scumreads, Xatalos looks terrible by association, and I think that Damdred's read on him is probably correct given past history (Carol). I also noticed how he seems to pluck up others' reads, not just thread sentiment. (KelsierSC's read on me is one example.) Lastly, Onegu. Independent of everyone else, on tone and familiarity with him (note his complete lack of presence at EoD?) I still strongly believe that he is scum. But honestly he probably is not high-priority compared to the others. I do not have a fifth scum. I have plenty of townreads or leans, but I imagine the fifth is somewhere in the lurkers that are currently impossible to read.
lol! that was way too long a post >< please don't make me be all serious and wordy again ;o; i much prefer sarcasm On May 13 2015 23:59 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 23:42 marvellosity wrote:
rsoultin, are you suggesting that with a town-Vivax leading the votes by quite some margin, I decide to create and repeatedly push a wagon on my scumbuddy for some reason? 76/76 I wasn't going to use my last post for this but :/ meh. At least then I won't be distracted by the game lol. I'm more suspicious of you than Blazinghand, actually. I think your reaction to the nuke and your behavior around EoD is highly suspicious. Whether that's because I'm wrong on Bill Murray, Blazinghand is a scum anti-nuker, or there's another anti-nuker hiding somewhere in the ranks, doesn't really matter. The baked thing is kind of convenient but I've never seen you use that excuse before in any of the games we've played together. The Xatalos read flat-out disappeared when you returned to the thread. Quite simply, following a logical train of thought on the presumption that I am right on both you and Blazinghand, you pushed a lynch on your scum buddy to be able to say that you pushed a lynch on your scum buddy if he eventually flipped. You did not follow through. Now why could that be? Yes, that looks scummy. You usually do not do obviously scummy things as scum...you're usually aware of how you look. However, if Blazinghand flips scum you and Trfel will immediately come under suspicion. So yes, I think it's quite possible for you to both push him and then go out of your way to protect him, despite how bad it looks, if you are scum together. It is quite feasible and certainly not reason enough to clear either of you.
Bats is town because Vivax is town. Filter dive him VE. Bats thought sandroba was scum because sandroba kept pushing him after the claim. I asked him how realistic that was because, obviously, not all town are vanilla town anyway. Sandroba is also likely town for many reasons. Sorry, Palmar...I'm leaning town on you but I don't agree on your sandroba read He also recognized what bats was talking about. Yes, I've been using bats and vivax to get some reads of my own lol This was my last post. The sadness. GB Trfel Damdred HTS Bats Sandroba I'm pretty sure are town here. Town leans on Palmar Yamato (he's falling because I actually didn't really like his behavior around EoD either, odd as that sounds; he just seemed too sure. however there's a very good reason he might be sure, which would be the same reason i was sure, so i'll keep him in my town leans) OWS (tonal. i can't explain it. it's just a feeling and shouldn't be taken too seriously) LS (though honestly I'm a little disturbed by his lack of contribution lately and maybe he should be dropped back to null) those i haven't explicitly mentioned as scum and don't appear on this list are null...or i forgot them :/ which probably means they're null anyway. VE, I just don't know you well enough to read you, sorry
I can't force people to read my posts, but please do if you want to know where my head's at. I even wrote them less cancer-y. Most of these reads are already explained in them. The names in the categories are in no particular order.
Solid Town
GB
Trfel
Damdred
HTS
KSC
Bats
Sandroba
Town leans
Palmar
Yamato
OWS
lightningstrike
Nullish (this one is in order from well nullish-town to nullish-scum)
jat
VE
stutters
ROL
oats
TD
BH - i dunnae on this one lol i think he could react this way as either alignment, honestly, but he has a higher chance of being town than my other scumreads
Scum
Marv
Xata
Oneg
woot \o/ I'm done lol (apologies for being so all over the place...even though i kinda always am :/ so i don't know that this will ever change)
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Well, I'm bad. No surprise there lol >< re: Palmar
Random sidebar comment...kinda getting a town vibe off Blazinghand now -_- because...eh. I'm a sucker for rational posting, basically. (Plus I think I misunderstood one of his posts where I went off on him hrumhrum).
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