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Just whatever rsoultin.
Xatalos is scummy you don't want to vote him and you seem really overly upset over this. And you fail to see why it wasn't ok given the circumstances.
If people think I'm scum for it so be it. Just don't be petty and fuck off just because you disagree
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It makes fucking perfect sense.
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You can't be serious ls just isn't reading the thread.
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Thing is I'm not as sure that bm was 100% town. It was a policy shot ues, would I of lynched him today probably not id of rather went with my other targets.
Would he of been lynched today without the pardon yes. Would he of been lynched tommorow yes no matter what.
You might disagree but when it comes to people I can lynch and having pre-setup lynches that's not good at all gives mafia two rounds of night kills while we rehash the same things. Now we get a lynch today bm is dead and we get new stuff tommorow.
you might think its suboptimal but its not as horrible as you and RS make it out to be.
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On May 13 2015 01:42 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 01:09 Half the Sky wrote:46/60 GlowingBear - 1 XatalosOn May 12 2015 06:43 Half the Sky wrote:22/60 Xatalos is looking like playing to his scum meta. In Carol both (town) GB and Vivax cased him and a central point they had on a scum Xatalos was how murky his reads were in justifying his switches. GlowingBear in particular stated that Xatalos didn't have deep reads on people. I get the same impression here from the reads he's made so far. On May 12 2015 03:22 Xatalos wrote:On May 12 2015 03:12 Damdred wrote:On May 12 2015 01:58 Half the Sky wrote:15/60 Pfff, you ninjaed me BM. On May 12 2015 01:51 Bill Murray wrote:
I realize now what you meant but I guess I misread it before
and the differentiation between the lurkers is because Trfel is obviously mafia to me this game
if my nuke doesnt land on him im going to vote him. I am admittedly a little behind this game and need to catch up Alright, so you still think Trfel is the way to go then. Do you think anything he HAS posted is screaming scum? Second part of this post aimed at Damdred - On May 12 2015 01:41 Damdred wrote:
Can we not policy lynch vivax today XD maybe a day vig could just take him out lol.
I agree roughly that the pregame where BM gave his posts up and didn't do much is kinda meh. It helped me immensely at that juncture though. As such the excuse that BM used to fire the nuke isn't necessarily the least believable thing I've ever read. It's based on meta yes but I didn't feel it was horrible, it could of led to some really useful information and its a pity that it didn't. (10) I explained prior that BH's anti-nuke could be town or mafia motivated. Where do you stand on this (given the bolded statement)? Theres really not much to say? I think it was dumb of BH but I don't think him being dumb is really indicative... Anyway I actually like Yamato at this point, hes not useless per scum game. He seems to have actual thoughs behind what hes posting, I think he is an ok town lean presently. RS can you give me something to work with? Xata, I agree with you that LS still is scummy and that post is a good example. However, you used the post count restrictions the last time I caught you as well </3. Tell me what you think of Jat, Palmar and Marv. (11?) Hehee. It also works well as an excuse precisely because it's true  Don't really know Palmar that well. He's been pretty light-toned and active from what I saw so maybe a slight town lean?I think jat was more proactively leading discussion in the other game (Ippo). So far he's seemed a bit too nitpicky and reactive to my liking... Might be scum, I guess. We'll see.I've had little success reading marv in the past. Last game (Ippo) I also thought he seemed a bit disinterested / detached, but he was town all the same. I'd strongly oppose lynching him D1 just based on some vague feeling when he has the potential to almost single-handedly figure the game out. Also whilst LS didn't really impress me early on, I also don't think Xatalos had an original stance on LS and the quote he uses to substantiate his read on LS is also pretty shaky. At least a few people mentioned the conditional wording that LS had in his opening posts. On May 12 2015 02:46 Xatalos wrote:Thanks for the attention Damdred I'm sure my early posts were a bit more in line with my scum meta considering the post restriction (-> less posts than usual) and already being in another game that's approaching endgame (-> even less time / attachment to spare to another game, admittedly my own fault for signing up). I'm now mostly caught up, though, so ask away. What struck me as most scummy so far is probably LS. I just can't get over the uncomfortable feeling I get from posts like these: On May 11 2015 21:57 LightningStrike wrote:Morning guys just woke up to see the nuke and anti nuke and Tfrel looking good though afte the nuke stuff  Also Palmar is actually here now so I really want him to bleed town esp because the last 2 times I had played with him he was scum (I was his scum mate in one of those games) and still haven't exactly figured out what makes Palmar scum at all when he's scum. Also the 1 person who calls Palmar Palmer is sicklucker from office when he(sicklucker) sent a pm to Palmer instead of Palmar who was the host for the game. I also liking Sandroba a lot this game he seems very insightful this time around I also don't like BM's early nuke he shoulda saved it for later when we starting seeing scum clearer. @Marv: What are your current reads? @Palmar: Thoughts so far in the thread? It's just... so typical scum play. Posting large, inconclusive paragraphs and questions that don't really show any insight or real interest in the game. LS generally isn't one to be articulate but at least in this particular paragraph he does reach some conclusions on two people from knowing "LS speak" for lack of better words. But he's also made conclusions on people in other posts. So at least looking through Xata's filter, I've got a decent scumlean on him. Need to AFK atm. 2 VivaxI call Vivax out for doing jack all about 20h or so into the day. On May 12 2015 01:23 Half the Sky wrote:
11/60
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Vivax on the other hand has done jack all, and his scum meta (as is Yamato's, though I'm less certain on him for activity) is doing jack all. So why Xata over him? When Vivax DOES appear in thread, his posts show a scumlike behaviour. On May 12 2015 05:12 Half the Sky wrote:16/60 [...] My stance on Vivax remains the same. Though he's posted, now that he's being called out, it's posts like these that give me the impression he's posting for the sake of posting. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=710&topic_id=484076It's pretty obvious going into Ras's filter why she does this, it also shows no part on his end searching for information that would determine her alignment. Above quote on Rasputin gets nowhere, plus if you look at Vivax's filter there is zero followup. On May 12 2015 23:18 Half the Sky wrote:40/60 [...] Like what about his posting his town? I thought I asked to elaborate before. Because the tanking his game is the worst part about Vivax and posts like these from him On May 12 2015 03:39 Vivax wrote:
I'm gonna play badly this game btw, but it will help my scum play. Sadly it was one of the things that made rayn quit. On May 12 2015 04:49 Vivax wrote:
Rso no that much of a pita in this game, what's going on? Actually explaining her reads all the time not just interfering with other people's.
Might be she's aiming for the townie of the month award but then that's what's odd about all of that.
Also she seems particularly attentive to stuff adressed to her, also feels unusual.
Metatonish read, not the rso I'm used to who was always the townie one. On May 12 2015 06:00 Vivax wrote:
LS I'm sort of confident you're town and I'm a pleb, why do you think I'm mafia? ...are basically him just posting to post - no follow through on Rasputin whatsoever if he truly suspected her. [...] The above quote I tried to illustrate to sandroba what I found wrong with Vivax. But that should make it a bit more clear. 1 The quality of his posting doesn't reflect credible scumhunting in any manner. 2 Trashing his town meta (his excuse for his current play) isn't credible after the fact. And at LightningStrike: On May 13 2015 00:58 LightningStrike wrote:
Damdred why you shoot BM when we just had him pardoned by GB and the fact we have multiple people that look worse than BM? FFS you aren't reading. RTFT please. Damdred answered this twice over in the last two pages. Now I'm out. Tbh I disagree on using it on a mislynch and would rather hit scum with it because honestly it's better hitting scum than town that is a mislynch. Tbh he shoulda used it on a scumread but it's his call.
Though tbh its really weird that you are so sure that bm was a mislynch... Like really really sure
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Ls is more than likely scum now, if you look at his past games you see a ton of hesitation about his reads. Especially on kinda meh people like bm was.
Here he is just extra sure that bm is a mislynch no hint of paranoia that he could of been scum, which he could of been. Its just to sure of someone's alignment that he should t be.
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She won't lynch xata because I pushed him and she's upset with me
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I kinda am on the fence, xata is still a parrot from glancing at his filter to me a least.
He picks up reads as they be one popular and just that's it... I don't see any real push in his filter just along for the ride.
Think,I'd rather him,be lynched
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On May 13 2015 08:01 yamato77 wrote:
last game, BH actually tried and made a little tryhard case and everything
this game he's used his role and bitched
he is not town
That game he was also much more limited with time and still did it to
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Here's the question, do we give xata more,time to prove he's town if he is?
I think,if he's highly busy as he claimed sooner or later we can,catch him big,him or cop,check him if we want.
He's scummy at this point but his,final,post seemed kinda genuine to a degree to me.
We then have BH who is kinda meh and vivax who the wagon evaporated like td and GB have said. It is concerning I'm sorta tempted to give xata a little more time and lynch vivax or bh today.
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Seriously....I'd rather not,lynch,vivax now.
Get on rsoulin
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I mean blazing hand was reading rs post lol
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Sorry been afk had a hell of a day. Should cat h up and be productive shortly
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I Hobestly have no idea still no where near caught up.
I think Yamato is town without reading. I'll do more later, but GB is just dumb about me ignore that.
Anyway I'll try to put something out there before eon
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Yay town.
Glad i shot,bm. I wouldn't of gotten td I think. Marv kept,falling for me.
Town vigs/nuker was awesome
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I talked to td early about jat, it was brief but I thought he might of been Scum
After the shot I was sure jat wouldn't so that as town mostly.
I thought you were town GB it was just so frustrating reading some of the posts. Like I disagree with executing bh I think still, I would,of lynched him,over executing.
Other than that the only thing if an say is try to work with people a little more and try to see things from different angles.
Also I read in mafia qt about maybe Geript influenced my shot. He did partly, I was going to shoot bm much earlier in the day. But he advised me to wait doe Marvs recommendations and I said ok.
Besides that I didn't check at just shot bm soon as I saw the pardon Lololol.
No regrets, Gg all honestly it was a really fin game
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Nah the nuke heading towards marv was fake wifom. That I kinda took out of the picture to.
Honestly most the town played well imo, by end of day 2 there was only 4 people who I would of lynched d3
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That's the thing I think, I've talked about this with Yamato and I was guilty of some of it, bit trying to role hint or going through there's x in game so one has to be Scum isn't the way you win games like this.
Which is why I'm really happy and enjoyed this game, mostly every one just tried to Scum hunt it felt like.
Overall I think the blues mostly played well, it was still odd LS protected GB n1, no offense to,GB that was a weird protect. I'd like him to explain that one lol.
Was a good game I really enjoyed my time in it
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Clarification I didn't do it this game but I did it in ippo to my detroment
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