EPThttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469857-campus-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome
If so, I'll read his game from that.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469857-campus-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome If so, I'll read his game from that. | ||
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Do you feel there is the same thing? His behaviour D2, I have already pointed something out that doesn't make sense. I want an answer to that. | ||
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On May 07 2015 00:54 sicklucker wrote: Ya that game was cancer. I was pretty bad being my first game but I got policy lynched the last 3 days by 1 afk player up untill final 3. And he never thought. Hum why are we both in final 3 together? Well like I said before that can go both ways. We were both in Student 4 together. Breshke is RBed N1. Then we get to a 3-man lylo - Breshke, me and meatpudding with the scum RB unflipped. I spent two hours trying to figure out if Breshke was pulling a fast one, but I found no reason to believe and we lynched correctly. It was Breshke's behaviour that made me arrive at that conclusion. So I want to do the same thing here. | ||
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On May 07 2015 00:57 sicklucker wrote: Like if the vets a new player whos realistly never gonna get nked because your town games not really respected because you never played before. Then claiming is probably the correct play here because it makes super mafia here like almost all the time. I would wait for the mod to confirm if veterans can be roleblocked tho. I have seen mods do it both ways You don't need the mod to confirm. On April 21 2015 01:02 kitaman27 wrote: Town Veteran You have a bulletproof vest that can absorb one bullet. This means you need to be shot twice in order to die: once to destroy the vest, once to kill you. If you are roleblocked, however, your bulletproof vest doesn't work that night. You win with the town. It is in the OP. | ||
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On May 07 2015 01:01 sicklucker wrote: oh ok thank I will be voting super now and never changing. This means to mean mafia will fake rb here 50-75% of the time. Probably on the higher side because super has done this very play before in his last newbie game as mafia. 50% chance to flip scum is very good odds. 75% is amazing I have no reason to ever change this Like I said, meta alone doesn't make him mafia. There is a behaviour component you are missing. I have found his behaviour suspect this game. I'm almost out of the office but have a bit more to do here, but I'll read that game on my commute home. | ||
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On May 07 2015 01:02 sicklucker wrote: Unless vets like celestial or a non new player they should hard claim. Your roles useless in this setup if mafia has a roleblocker anyway. No, hell no. Veteran, should it exist, should not claim. The purpose of the vet is to draw a nightkill. Scum are forced to stack their actions if they have to, don't give them more options of spreading their actions out and potentially blocking the other role. If the vet claims, you direct scum. I know you've mucked up these things as town before. If you are town, don't do it again please. | ||
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On May 07 2015 01:10 sicklucker wrote: Like im making this mathematical decision without much care of anyones reads on him. Im that sure that its the right mechanical play here. Say your told theres a vet in the game but if you rb your nk then you have no fear of shooting a vet. Then your always gonna be missing rb. So why not claim it yourself as mafia? This is a newbie game right? Its worked for you before right? Maybe I can be talked into leaving super alive untill roles claim because then when im told theirs a vet in the game ill be 100% sure hes mafia rather then just likely. But I might be nked and its a newbie game so im not sure how much people will follow through with my read so I think werjust kill him now In Newbie LX I was godfather, Celestial was the RB and he claimed he was RBed. Holy shit, I had forgotten that. But even in that game THERE WAS A BEHAVIOUR COMPONENT. Celestial was called out for scum behaviour in that game and Rasputin's tinfoil hat theory actually saved him despite him being auto-lynch D3 that game. What part of that don't you understand? You need to take into account not just the mechanics but his behaviour. I'm asking YOU to read Superbia OUTSIDE the claim. Am I making sense now? | ||
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On May 07 2015 01:13 sicklucker wrote: You absolutely claim here YOU CONFIRM A MAFIA LOL. Stop being such a boring prude hts make some plays. I get it if your the vet and dont claim but just push and try to get super lynch. But if the vets some new player thats never getting killed the best thing you can do is claim and give me this confirmed information so I dont mislynch super the 1/4 chance hes town here Alright, I understand you now reading this post. A scum Superbia here is quite the active scum. I want to hear what Superbia has to say though. I don't like the townread on prplhz, there's a double standard out, and the latter is a LIWF for me. It's pre-flip association but I think now with a meta establishment it's a decent shot, the hypothesis that he's scum making a play. | ||
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On May 06 2015 08:32 Superbia wrote: This is not how you solve the game. If you're town you need to re-think right now. Let's assume prp is scum. Who is scum other than prp? What's his team? Yikes, this is another loaded question. No one has flipped yet. If prp is town, this is a very good way to mislead people. | ||
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On May 06 2015 20:58 Half the Sky wrote: So let me see if I understand your rationale correctly. Stutters and prp have exactly one scumread, the former on prp and the latter on myself. You're willing to start a train on Stutters even though: 1 your opinions of myself are changing/have changed (and you use your echoing of thoughts of prplhz as the basis for townreading him) and his really hadn't 2 you expand your potential scumreads and prplhz is not, or hasn't yet If you're not "mind-melding" with him or whatever the term is called, any longer, why are you still townreading him? This is the double standard I have a problem with btw sicklucker. He threw me a loaded question on my D1 performance (lol?) and the one with Stutters is just as bad. The VCA one was patchy but once he elaborated on that it made some sense. But loaded questions are mafia agenda, they are unproductive and generally promote misdirection. | ||
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On May 06 2015 09:46 Superbia wrote: If you have a red check on prp you should just claim tbh. This quote could be trying to get a potential detective to claim very early in the day. Remember student 5 or 6? DT Lightning Strike claims first thing with a red check (poor decision on his part) and the day is effectively unproductive. | ||
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On May 06 2015 08:56 Superbia wrote: Also I'm never scum after generating that much content and almost literally engaging everyone, changing my reads constantly and consistently. Top that with an RB and you're set. I'm never entertaining that thought this game. Anyone who believes that I'm scummier than: - Tictock - disformation - y0su - The Shining - Half the Sky - prplhz - sicklucker - Stutters695 I am interested to hear your thoughts on all of the above. On May 06 2015 08:57 Superbia wrote: Oh yeah, and I also never kill FF there. Ever. First quote - talking in absolutes (specifically the word "never") is bad. If he's scum, a beginner town would be doomed for eliminating the possibility of him being scum. He's changing his reads, but the issue is why he's changing his reads. In a world where he's scum, it fits in perfectly with mafia agenda of misdirection. In a world where he's town...um...where is the motivation for town to remind us he's doing what he's doing? Second quote is 100% WIFOM. | ||
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On May 07 2015 01:29 sicklucker wrote: at the very least it might bee spew that prp is mafia Independent of association, I don't like either. But one needs to flip before you go further on the other. | ||
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On May 07 2015 01:36 Superbia wrote: Yeah. But you're not. You're pressuring town, and the most vocal one at that. Are you not reading the thread? My vote is on prplhz. And the chances of all scummers being lurkers are small. I have not read the scum game yet that sicklucker has referenced. Scum can be active. Rasputin in Student 8 had the largest filter - she was scum. Holyflare posts a tonne as scum. Please. I am not making assumptions solely on how long your filter is. That's general trend but a good mafia player who is a conversationalist in this game can have a lengthy filter. I didn't join TL yesterday. | ||
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On May 07 2015 01:39 Half the Sky wrote: I am not making assumptions solely on how long your filter is. That's general trend but a good mafia player who is a conversationalist in this game can have a lengthy filter. I didn't join TL yesterday. EBWOP - That posting loads as town more than scum is a general trend but a good mafia player who is a conversationalist in this game can have a lengthy filter. | ||
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There are town and mafia motivations for claiming RB. My contention is that his behaviour in this game there is a mafia agenda. To sum up my arguments. 1 Loaded questions - both to myself and Stutters - generally unproductive 2 Misdirection plays 3 The quote where he talks in absolutes where he's basically asking to dismiss him as a scum candidate 4 The DT claim request - DT claims this early in the day destroy the day 5 Behaviour EoD 1 was a "toys out the pram" approach to getting me lynched and his read progression was lacking with OMGUS in there 6 Post lynch he has ZERO focus on me and goes off on Stutters And finally the meta - I am not meta reading it but the above looks very bad, I don't care that he's active because activity alone does not guarantee he's pure. | ||
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