EPTAlso prplhz, you said you have a tendency to scumread people who scumread you. You're doing it again, this time with Stutters.
So prplhz, if you're not scum, then whom?
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Also prplhz, you said you have a tendency to scumread people who scumread you. You're doing it again, this time with Stutters. So prplhz, if you're not scum, then whom? ##vote prplhz | ||
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On May 06 2015 07:12 The Shining wrote: Skimmed from EoD up to now. Scott townflip really hurts but I'm not sure how we could have avoided that. Haven't had time to sit at my laptop for anything and trying to actively read 100+ posts on mobile is impossible. Looks like I'm prime d2 lynchbait so I'm going to actually take my time, reread and answer the questions and reads I was asked for. Not like I need to rush. No way scum kills me tonight when people are still scumming me. Yay me. Oh and I really think this quote reflects scum sentiment. Scum generally have the sentiment of survival and drawing things out. And if you would read the thread more closely you'd see you aren't such...yet. But I know you had your "weekend" or what have you, but it's Wednesday now, so if we don't see much more than this soon, given where a lot of people stand with their reads at the moment, it is quite conceivable that at least one of us wouldn't hesitate to start a wagon on you. | ||
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Since Superbia claimed RB (though this in of itself doesn't immediately vindicate them and I'll explain from a pure mechanical standpoint why) and FF was shot, it's safe to say we have a medic and not a veteran. Celestial's explanation reflects most closely what I think on that. I'd say more likely a DT over vig at this point, most vigilantes claim with whom they tried to shoot if they were roleblocked (and the ammo in this game is not refundable). Regarding any RB claim, scum can choose to hold their RB depending on their approach. It's not likely but it happens depending on the flow of the game. In Student 4 we had to tinker with the possibility that Breshke was scum RB. He claimed RB D2 and over time as some doubted his game, no one was questioning him, there was fear he was actually the RB (GF and mafia vanilla flipped). We get to 2/1 lylo, but after some thought we correctly concluded the other player was scum. In MM2 (a recent game that just finished) I believe Damdred claimed being roleblocked and he was scum. And people didn't look at his overall gameplay. Just some thoughts there. | ||
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Independent of prplhz, who looks the most mafia and why? You also said that tictock "could be scum" I assume based on EoD - what do you think of him now? | ||
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On May 06 2015 22:14 disformation wrote: So was he really shot as a possible medic dodge or because he was onto superbia and ritoky? Or is that planned as a distraction to get town to lynch more town? confusing... Nightkill rationale is WIFOM. (I assume you know what WIFOM means.) It's not harmful in of itself to speculate provided it doesn't drive your gameplay. I'm feeling better about ritoky from the way he's re-evaluating people, but there's always the possibility a scum Superbia claimed when in reality there actually might be a veteran around and Fecalfeast very well could have been killed and RBed. It is mechanical speculation, but it possibly exists. As there has been history of veteran scum claiming to be RBed, I think it's important to continue evaluating his gameplay overtime. On May 06 2015 22:14 disformation wrote: Though I rethought superbia and want to start to see him more as super pushy/aggressive town... need to rethink superbia and rikoty again it seems... You didn't think he was aggressive towards me (or you for that matter) at EoD D1? What did you think of him (or ritoky) EoD? | ||
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On May 06 2015 22:26 Half the Sky wrote: I'm feeling better about ritoky from the way he's re-evaluating people, but there's always the possibility a scum Superbia claimed when in reality there actually might be a veteran around and Fecalfeast very well could have been killed and RBed. It is mechanical speculation, but it possibly exists. EBWOP - Also with the previous point in mind, I do not know if Superbia is a high-risk high-reward player generally speaking as scum. But that's usually another factor I'd consider whether he'd be likely to make such a play early in the game. | ||
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On May 06 2015 22:33 disformation wrote: Which is was I was pretty much annoyed by him for a fair bit. I now rethought him and think he is a very aggressive townie opposed to a very aggressive mafia. What distinction are you making here? | ||
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On May 06 2015 22:33 disformation wrote: Which is was I was pretty much annoyed by him for a fair bit. I now rethought him and think he is a very aggressive townie opposed to a very aggressive mafia. How are you distinguishing between town aggression and mafia aggression? To use other examples, there are veterans such as JAT/Holyflare/Koshi who are known bullies as both alignments. | ||
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On May 06 2015 22:58 disformation wrote: I think I read his motivation different now. EoD1 I read him more as trying to confuse or boss people around as in "do what I want you do to, or imma lynch you" or "come on townies start to scream at each other a bit more, so I can set up misslynches D2". Is that what scumandeering means? Now I am seeing him more as a townie who aggressively pushes/annoys people to get more reads from them. Alright. I can see where you mean. Your search for motivations makes it more likely you're town. | ||
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So if you are reading me as town regardless, where do you stand on some of the others this game? I think the entire game at this point is asking you to contribute more. We're in D2 now. | ||
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Celestial, I looked at your latest list post. I'm going to ask you the same thing I asked Stutters. prplhz appears right now your top lynch. Let's say that prplhz disappeared or more realistically, he was replaced for whatever reason, hypothetically. 1 Who else would you lynch? 2 Have your opinions changed on tictock? | ||
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On May 07 2015 00:44 sicklucker wrote: Oh super claimed rb? Hes very likely mafia now I will vote him. From my experience mafia will claim rb like half of the time regardless of the setup so im always suspect of the roleblock claim. But when theres a vet in the game (There is 50% of the time in this set up but mafia knows what setup were in) mafia will always roleblock whoever they nk because if you roleblock your nightkill then the vet power is neutriled. So mafia will know there is a vet because they are told the setup and will have roleblocked ff if its a veteran setup 100% of the time. Also meta wise supers one mafia win that I know of was my very first game. He claimed roleblock that game too and rode it to a mafia win. Let me ask the host if rb goes through vet power in this setup but it usually does. Told ya you should have killed me super I already theorised this earlier. I am still skeptical of his gameplay. Per the OP, the veteran is roleblockable. I already pointed that out. | ||
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On May 07 2015 00:44 sicklucker wrote: Oh super claimed rb? Hes very likely mafia now I will vote him. From my experience mafia will claim rb like half of the time regardless of the setup so im always suspect of the roleblock claim. But when theres a vet in the game (There is 50% of the time in this set up but mafia knows what setup were in) mafia will always roleblock whoever they nk because if you roleblock your nightkill then the vet power is neutriled. So mafia will know there is a vet because they are told the setup and will have roleblocked ff if its a veteran setup 100% of the time. Also meta wise supers one mafia win that I know of was my very first game. He claimed roleblock that game too and rode it to a mafia win. Let me ask the host if rb goes through vet power in this setup but it usually does. Told ya you should have killed me super However, you have just given me one more piece of information to work with. I asked earlier if Superbia was a high-risk high-reward player. From this quote, it appears the answer is yes. Which is yet another reason not to sleep on him at all. | ||
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Evaluate Superbia on his gameplay please, aside from meta. The meta point in of itself does not make him mafia but now that you've established him as a high risk high reward player or at least the evidence is there to support that, can you find the mafia motivations in his gameplay? | ||
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