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On May 04 2015 03:39 prplhz wrote:
@superbia @ritoky what do you think about celestial? he is coming on as super tryhard, like nothing i've ever seen before. he stands out a lot compared to the general relaxed atmosphere in the thread. didn't filter him yet (dunno how much i can get out of that this early anyway) but it's just something that been sticking out a lot.
also @superbia happy birthday!
On May 05 2015 04:54 prplhz wrote:
i don't know the cases on scot31337 don't speak to me at all and one of them is by celestial that i also have a bad feeling about (that people don't share for some reason).
I'm probably one of the few not scumreading prplhz for solely lack of filter. But here's another problem with this. So prplhz, you say he has a bad feeling on celestial for being super tryhard. That was early D1. Now he says the same thing, even though Celestial has made some hard arguments against people other than Scott. No commentary whatsoever either way on Celestial's gameplay from mid to late D1.
Also if you think the case against Scott is flawed, why?
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EBWOP - So prplhz, you say you have a bad feeling...
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On May 05 2015 05:01 ritoky wrote:
reasons being: you're noticing the same things i am but reading them opposite, you have an overly diplomatic tone that also feels forced, you're interested in a lot of things but not pushing for them, you don't feel obviously town, and your early reads were primarily summary reads that others had already made.
1 Already rationalised the opposite reads. If you agree to disagree, fine.
2 I've made points against my two top scumreads (additional against Scott/original against Superbia), neither of which are or have been in the thread as of late to further engage. But there are three scummers in this setup, so why not just keep digging and seeing what else turns up?
3 Diplomatic tone (reading what you just posted) was from one post. Go back to how I cased Superbia and tell me that's diplomatic. In fact I would think #1 (your point on reading them opposite) contradicts the fact that I'm diplomatic. The post you quoted, I'm looking for followthrough from Tictock in case you couldn't tell.
4 The "don't feel obviously town" is about as bad as it gets as you could apply that to half the players in this game right now. That's a PoE argument best saved for late game.
Plus you were more interested in Stutters when you threw your vote on me. There are some flaws in your logic. Particularly #3.
Try again.
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On May 05 2015 05:42 ritoky wrote:
when you're town you're the lioness. you're the leader of the pack. you like to play from the front. why are you playing from the back?
I was AFK first half of D1. Already explained that pre-game. Tried to settle in Sunday night (my time) and something came up at home and I was still on page 15 of 24 when that happened. Already stated that too. Today was the first real crack at the game that I've had.
I've gotten wrecked by RL before as both alignments, and this game happened to start on the weekend which is generally bad for me anyways.
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So if you're saying I should be doing something other than catching up and giving the best scumreads I can with the content I have, I have no idea what you are trying to suggest, really.
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Okay, so you have a problem with how I phrased it. Active voice versus passive voice is your argument for scumreading me.
I'll be completely honest here - I have never heard anyone in TL scumread someone for phrasing in active versus passive voice. That's a new one.
Regardless though, it's still not obvious to you that Tictock should be responding to that? It's still not obvious I'm looking for followthrough?
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On May 05 2015 05:51 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 05:49 Half the Sky wrote:
Okay, so you have a problem with how I phrased it. Active voice versus passive voice is your argument for scumreading me.
I'll be completely honest here - I have never heard anyone in TL scumread someone for phrasing in active versus passive voice. That's a new one.
Regardless though, it's still not obvious to you that Tictock should be responding to that? It's still not obvious I'm looking for followthrough? no because you haven't followed through. mind you i don't think he has posted since, but if he came back and posted about other stuff and ignored you; i am not confident you would press him on ignoring you.
You just answered your own question. I can't follow through because there's nothing yet to follow through on.
Also not sure where you lack confidence I wouldn't do it when I haven't been able to do the same for two other scumreads. There is no evidence either way in this game at least for you to draw that conclusion. *smacks head*
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On May 05 2015 05:47 prplhz wrote:
hts didn't feel like this at all in last game when she was attacked by rso (and partially also me). she also seems sort of mean and angry instead of being calm and down to earth, kind of like she's overcompensating for being called "too diplomatic". she's also completely misunderstanding my rather simple argument: hts is scumreading me for something without scumreading or even commenting on other people who did exactly the same thing and that is bad. doesn't matter if she is scumreading whoever for whatever, what she is saying is "player X, Y, Z did action A but only player Y is scum for it". doesn't matter if she is scumreading X and Z for whatever other things. why only blame me for not "getting the joke" when several other people didn't get it either? (and i realize it was a jokish post now, or at least it could be and i'm in no position to evaluate whether or not it was so i'm ignoring it)
*yawn*
Said the same thing to ritoky - I had that tone before he called me that. Someone's selectively reading.
Your second sentence is completely contradictory. You're saying my "mean and angry" tone is out of place (compared to last game since you knew I was town that game) instead of being calm and down to earth, then you use the word "overcompensating" as if I need to have a strong tone when being too diplomatic (in ritoky's words) is too scummy.
So which is it prplhz? I don't mind the scumread, but the manner in which you're presenting that first argument is quite baffling. Which is it? I'm scum for being mean and angry or I'm scum for being diplomatic. Can't have it both ways.
No I haven't commented on Fecalfeast yet because I haven't been able to look at him yet. I prioritised others over him.
You also still ignore the fact that prior to my last post I had a weak scumread on you.
And you didn't really respond to the issues regarding Celestial.
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Of note - I am assisting with the resolution period of another ongoing game for the next hour. Back in one hour, give or take.
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On May 05 2015 06:02 scott31337 wrote:
I just glanced at the VCA and I'm going with my suspicion that disformation may be scum. He's in a third-trying to fit in vote - and then ritoky asked about it - among the seriousness of his smileys and defensiveness. If there's a cop I would check him.
You mean vote count, not VCA....
Can you quote where you think disinformation is trying to fit in? Are you scumreading his for his vote on you or for or a response to ritoky or....?
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Read my second sentence. That's the conclusion.
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On May 05 2015 07:29 Superbia wrote:
I'm skimming through the posts and all that she is doing is justifying her vote. Doesn't contribute to scum hunting at all. AT ALL.
Have you read my filter? At all?
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On May 05 2015 07:29 disformation wrote:
Well. There is zero explanation for them...
I am starting to see why you dislike HtS that much.
If you read my filter you'll see I have explained each of my reads. I placed that list post you quoted and then my jusitification for all those reads in separate posts.
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On May 05 2015 07:35 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 07:33 Half the Sky wrote:On May 05 2015 07:29 Superbia wrote:
I'm skimming through the posts and all that she is doing is justifying her vote. Doesn't contribute to scum hunting at all. AT ALL. Have you read my filter? At all? Somewhat. Where are you at right now? You think I'm scum and I feel that's most of what you've been saying today. I know this is absolute bullshit. I feel you are treading in the wake of -celestial-, who is town but wrong.
Then refute my case point by point. Where is the distinction between celestial who is town but wrong and myself?
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On May 05 2015 07:19 prplhz wrote:
you guys need to push this hts thing btw. don't know when's the last time i saw a scum be up for lynch and then oppose the alternative wagon (well okay i sort of did that when it was me or LS in titanic but that was probably a bad move lol).
I never opposed Scott's lynch. I have NO idea where you are coming up with that. You're honestly looking worse with each post there.
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On May 05 2015 07:37 Superbia wrote:
What are your thoughts on y0su?
After he answered my last case post - I was willing to leave him alone. Right now, I'd say a weak town read. I am looking for the quotes of where he answered my latest concerns.
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On May 05 2015 07:40 Superbia wrote:
I'm not refuting any fucking case right now because it's a tremendous waste of time. I know I'm time. We need to lynch you and have you flip mafia.
And I'm not going to flip mafia. You're looking for a mislynch here. You are saying my reads are wrong, Anyone can say anyone's reads are bullshit but you haven't clarified why.
I'm getting complete scum vibes from prplhz, and I've refuted him and ritoky (who I'm less sure of being scum), last I had a weak townread on him. I don't have a problem with people scumreading me, I have a problem though with how people do it. I could see ritoky's thought processes more clearly and I was able to iron out, not with prplhz. And much less with you right now.
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On May 05 2015 07:41 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 07:41 Half the Sky wrote:On May 05 2015 07:37 Superbia wrote:
What are your thoughts on y0su? After he answered my last case post - I was willing to leave him alone. Right now, I'd say a weak town read. I am looking for the quotes of where he answered my latest concerns. Then what was the point of that entire post?
Superbia, this is about as simple as it gets. If someone looks scummy, you question it. If your concerns resolve, you move on. If not, you push for their lynch.
Why are you making something more complicated than it needs to be?
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Oh, and Celestial, if you think I don't like ruffling feathers, well you can clearly see I'm not afraid of Superbia 
(Or prplhz for that matter.)
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On May 05 2015 07:45 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 07:43 Half the Sky wrote:On May 05 2015 07:40 Superbia wrote:
I'm not refuting any fucking case right now because it's a tremendous waste of time. I know I'm time. We need to lynch you and have you flip mafia. And I'm not going to flip mafia. You're looking for a mislynch here. You are saying my reads are wrong, Anyone can say anyone's reads are bullshit but you haven't clarified why. I'm getting complete scum vibes from prplhz, and I've refuted him and ritoky (who I'm less sure of being scum), last I had a weak townread on him. I don't have a problem with people scumreading me, I have a problem though with how people do it. I could see ritoky's thought processes more clearly and I was able to iron out, not with prplhz. And much less with you right now. I have ritoky as HARD town. I know I'm town myself. So I know your reads are not making any sense. This paired with your completely passive day convinces me that you're mafia. Like I am vehemently believing that scott is either flipping town here or mafia has been bussing hard.
I explained to ritoky the same thing I explained to you - first off, this is D1. There is definitely a world in which D1, no one has flipped, and two townies have different perspectives where they reach different conclusions on people. I already beat ritoky to death why I'm not townreading him as hard. He is definitely NOT a lynch, let alone a number one lynch.
The push on me is at best OMGUS, but you are really appearing desperate to get a lynch off, and I already explained the passive game, assuming you mean my activity.
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