Noir Mini Mafia: Chapter 3

On April 22 2015 07:16 Trfel wrote:
This. If we lynch anyone, it should be Damdred.

On April 22 2015 11:07 Breshke wrote:
Ohh damdred I forgot to ask. Did you actually want to lynch artanis? Or were you just trying to get stuff to happen?

On April 23 2015 07:13 rsoultin wrote:


lol if he suddenly dropped dead and i had a gun to my head? artie is the one i'm most suspicious of after him xP

do you want to lynch someone else besides bh?

Though I'm not very good at meta reads, and I don't have much experience playing with yamato77.

On April 24 2015 13:58 Trfel wrote:
Would you rather I be confident in my play to a degree far higher than my skill at mafia warrants?

One surefire way to find town players is to look at my scumreads. Here's what I'm thinking, and yamato77 is a scumread of mine. But I see ways that this read could be wrong, so I'm asking and sharing my thoughts. I could keep holding my thoughts to myself, and analyzing him myself, or I could leave it open to the rest of the thread, where everyone is better than me and can analyze this better than I can. It's a matter of honest, not a matter of alignment.

I mean, if you want me to push my reads to the end of time, I can do that. If you want me to throw the game for town, I can do that as well. Up to you.

On April 25 2015 01:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

What is this? Why are you instantly trying to look at them as a scumteam instead of looking at if they're scum individually? What's this unflipped association thing?

On April 26 2015 04:11 rsoultin wrote:
okay, not gonna lie, looking back through bresh's filter it's a lot of townreads/defending people

he has no scumreads but loosely links me to yamato in the sense that we were townreading each other

but i think the oddest part to me is his day 2 play? lol >< literally for the first 24 hours after the flip he only comments on whether or not the blue role should claim, how likely it is scum withheld their shot, and presses palmar for why palmar says bresh is his top town...like of all the things to be interested in that seems very strange

although he makes it clear he's not townreading yamato, he really did never talk about him like ever...most everyone else he gave reasons for why he was townreading them, something behind his read, but not yamato

i dunnae i think the fact that he's pretty reasonable and not antagonizing people is generating a misconception of how valuable he's actually been this game...the bh push looks like mostly policy until late in the day, and he even agrees that another 24 hours may be better but he's not willing to do so lol ><

something seems off to me about breshke. his vote on Wave at the beginning, too, fell flat as a joke :/

On April 26 2015 05:34 rsoultin wrote:


-shrugs- i think you underestimate how easy it is to coast as scum on day 1 perhaps because you've been so bussy lately, but that's neither here nor there

i'm not interested in talking about townreads?

though i guess truffle is worth discussing...like, i'm actually still super fine with him this game >< i just finished his filter, and this backtracking y'all mentioned seems confined to the metaread portion and general insecurity?

he's lost a lot of games recently (based on his own decisions) and if he's not confident in meta why would he pretend to be otherwise? not to mention just getting vig shot lol >< for anyone with an ego, that smarts (i was upset when i thought it was possible i was vig shot in xxx)

my main concern is i haven't seen him lately, frankly

On April 26 2015 05:52 rsoultin wrote:


lol you and i have a very different interpretation of truffle!

he usually writes his doubts right into his reads like an argument with himself before settling on a final alignment. i don't really call that "sure" of himself

a sign that he's actually considering both sides is usually what alerts me to his being town

On April 26 2015 06:50 rsoultin wrote:


artie is hard for me to read :/

like...i liked his post about you xP i wouldn't lynch you over yamato but i see a lot of the things he brought up as well. it's sorta a soft defense of yamato? but if yamato is scum i almost feel like it's in artanis' favor to jump on that rather than try to direct the lynch elsewhere

i also like how he revisited his truffle read >< and yes i'm aware that this is just me agreeing with what he's saying

my problem is i know he has a good scumgame; i've seen him just give up as scum but he came back into today willing to discuss things and reads and i can see his thought progression

i kinda feel like it's to scum's advantage to let the thread continue to stagnate, which wasn't the sense i got from him today (or you, for that matter) which is one of the reasons why i'm feeling a bit better about the both of you and a bit worse about truffle

On April 26 2015 07:04 rsoultin wrote:


hmm that may be true i'd have to take another look at when he started talking :/ and his general read progression on the both of y'all

there was definitely re-evaluation on truffle, though, that much i'm sure of

and i kinda get the vote palmar, unvote thing...isn't it a thing to push palmar to see how he responds to get a read? i thought it was. i know that palmar typically encourages it, and palmar did come out looking more townie for it lol >< anyway

give me a bit to look into that

On April 26 2015 07:10 rsoultin wrote:


that's a fair point. i thought he was scumreading yamato though?

On April 24 2015 22:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I definitely don't want to lynch Yamato today or probably any day. His mafia game is much worse than what he's shown so far and he cares too much.

On April 26 2015 03:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Meta is great though. Especially when you apply it incorrectly and presume that since Marv once told you that Yamato is absolutely terrible at scum, you figure he can't have 4 pages so far and have pushed some things.

Actually a problem I see in his filter is that he's droning on about the same things over and over again. First WoS, then the thing with me on waiting for Palmar/BH to contribute, and then on BH. He doesn't really re-evaluate anything nor does he share many thoughts on other things than whatever he's chasing at the time.

Could prob lynch/10.

On April 26 2015 03:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Basically, yes. I think I might want to lynch Damdred over him though. His list post is followed by a bunch of fluff that doesn't really say anything and doesn't have any of the intricate reads Damdred usually has. It's so unrefined and fluffy, and his apologetic tone on "I know it's pretty global" only compounds it.

On April 26 2015 07:29 rsoultin wrote:


lol my only real reservation there damdy is that post really wasn't any good or up to your usual standards

the timing is certainly interesting, though >< i take it from your comment that you don't consider artanis to generally be an omgus type of player?

On April 26 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:
i'll rephrase; it was decent but not super!damdy like most of us have come to expect

the more i talk to you though the more i think you probably are just in a slump. i like where your head's at

On April 22 2015 06:48 yamato77 wrote:

but he's actively using it as an excuse to do fuck-all himself.

Like, he's waiting on the two players in this game that I would have ZERO expectation to suddenly become active of their own free will.

Maybe you don't have the history with BH/Palmar but I do, and Artanis should know better than to passively wait for them to play.

I'm fine with the idea of not lynching today, but you can't just sit back and expect the game to come to you.

On April 23 2015 07:28 yamato77 wrote:
I don't like Artanis' post where he comments on the case offhandedly and then votes trfel

but I also don't like trfel calling me mafia for shit reasons and then sheeping the BH lynch

On April 26 2015 12:19 WaveofShadow wrote:

Unfortunately this doesn't mean shit when you're conversing back and forth with obvtown and you're not under any real pressure. Despite popular belief, posting is not all that hard as scum, nor is creating content. I'm not a huge fan of clearing people based on number of pages and I don't like that you'd bring it up. I find self-meta to be kinda scummy.