If I can't play very much over the next day or so, I'll make it up after.
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If I can't play very much over the next day or so, I'll make it up after. | ||
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I'm sorry, I don't have time to truly analyze (or the energy to properly read the last few pages). If you need my vote for something, I'll try to check in before my plane flight tomorrow, otherwise I will hopefully be online before the deadline. I'm really sorry, I'll do analysis and try to make up for it in the next cycle. Off the top of my head, it feels to me that while Palmar could be doing this as scum, it could be surprisingly hard to replicate a playstyle created by not caring whatsoever. Trying to care and seem to not care is not so easy. I'd believe much more in Breshke being mafia, or yamato77 being able to fool me. | ||
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On May 02 2015 12:12 Breshke wrote: Making activity excuses at this point in the game?My internet is fucked and wont be fixed until tonight or tomorrow morning wont really be doing much here until then Sorry for delays That's just poor form, and extremely disrespectful. I think that Breshke needs to get policy lynched for this. ![]() | ||
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I'll get to this sometime before the deadline, I hope. | ||
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On May 03 2015 04:44 Palmar wrote: I think that's what I want to do, but I have a good bit of reading I want to do first.Can we just lynch Yamato and get it over with. Please please please please please please please | ||
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On May 03 2015 06:37 rsoultin wrote: What do you mean, negotiate?you don't count xP i only negotiate with stubborn palmars I don't negotiate with town, just wait for night and then kill them. | ||
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The main point against Breshke is the lack of original thought and original pushes from him. I also notice a lot of instances of Breshke justifying his own play where it isn't really necessary. Townies tend to be overly defensive, so I give him the benefit of the doubt (especially since he's been pushed for much of the game), but it just keeps looking worse and worse to me. + Show Spoiler + Here's an example of his first read of the game. On April 21 2015 09:34 Breshke wrote: His read was obviously tentative the first time, he didn't really need to clarify it in the second post. For a read that he seems to feel is this weak, he shouldn't really post it except to generate discussion (in which this final sentence really doesn't need to be added at all).Yeah haha all jokes aside in my limited experiance with art ive never seen him mention stats before so him referencing town stats and relating it to this game just seems like a weird way for a scum artanis to open. This is obviously very weak hence the tentative part. This example alone doesn't say very much, but there are many, many similar examples. Breshke just doesn't have the content production that I expect from him, either. He's mostly asking questions that don't seem to go anywhere. His questions are okay, but they don't provide enough insight to make up for analysis. + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2015 10:50 Breshke wrote: What a weird read. Here's his thought process here.I really really like this post. Wave joins artanis in my "can't see lynching" list. If wave is mafia his frustration this game is from him being wagoned early so being on the back foot trying to survive from the get go. The stuff about yamato's push is not really alignment indicative for him even though I fully agree with his view point. I'm not sure if i can explain this well but the last sentence on rsoul seems like it couldnt come from a scum wave as why would he randomly antagonize someone. Like he is clearly frustrated and if he is frustrated scum he would be trying to make friends not trying to piss people off. I like this post from WaveofShadow, so I don't want to lynch him today. Here's a bunch of reasons that some scumreads on WaveofShadow aren't valid, as they are non alignment indicative. The wording "being on the back foot trying to survive from the get go" seems a bit strange, since town should never be playing to survive, but rather playing to catch scum. And then he actually mentions the quoted post, explaining why he thinks that it makes WaveofShadow town. But it's a rather weak read in my opinion. And this post just doesn't make sense from a town perspective to me at all. I also note that Breshke's explanations for his reads come upon request, generally not at the time he makes his reads. For someone who is so willing to justify himself, and for someone with good townreads, his townreads lack explanation even after questioned, but even moreso before. Breshke's stance on Blazinghand is really weird as well. His vote on Blazinghand is initially a policy vote, and then Blazinghand posts. Breshke's posts focused in "this case is bad, Blazinghand could have created this as scum", and then ended up not pushing Blazinghand at all, asking for more time for the lynch, but still wanting to lynch Blazinghand. I just don't understand how Breshke can want to lynch Blazinghand, but not enough to actually push for it, and want to delay the lynch for more, but not enough to unvote. I read Breshke's Day 1 filter. And to be honest, I don't really think that I need to read the rest of it. There are many things that I can't see coming from Breshke, and I have a much easier time seeing yamato77's play coming from town. Breshke and yamato77 are probably the best two lynches, but I think that lynching Breshke is by far the best choice. I'll try to check in when I can, but I may not be back much until End of Day. Either way, I don't think I want to lynch yamato77 before Breshke anyway, so if me not switching to yamato77 results in another cycle, then so be it. | ||
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On May 03 2015 08:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Talk quickly? Not sure I have much more time.I'm back and thought about the game a lot in the car and concluded yamato is roughly 95% mafia. Points to follow, should be in time for lynch but you can move your votes already if you want. | ||
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On May 03 2015 08:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't have a chance to fact check what you're saying, but I guess that makes sense. Hm, I still think that the Breshke lynch is pretty solid.Wave-Breshke as scum-scum also doesn't make sense because you have an experienced scum player in Wave and a pretty piss-poor scum player in Breshke and they hard townread each other. Sure, it's potentially a great tactic but how likely is it to actually occur? Not very imo. Also lots of genuine posts by Breshke in retarded things that I've pointed out. One that I haven't pointed out yet is how he instantly mentioned that he read Damdred as blue. I'd imagine scum would be a little more careful with stuff like that. Also, I don't think that you can infer much from the high-level interactions between the two players. It's possible that (as mafia) Breshke and WaveofShadow hard townread each other precisely because they didn't think we would expect it. One thing to check is, WaveofShadow did have an extremely poorly explained townread on Breshke. Did he make it seem more that way when it was getting clear he was dying (thus incriminating Breshke), or was it a weak townread all along? IE does it look like he's trying to incriminate Breshke or desperately defend him? Be back in a few minutes, then probably out until End of Day. | ||
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On May 03 2015 08:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Yamato77 acted like that to everyone, though. Not specific to WaveofShadow.Coupled with the already weird Yamato-Wave interactions that Godmar pointed out before. | ||
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I guess I stay on Breskhe for now. If no lynching is necessary for this cycle, so be it. Lynching Breshke and yamato77 will most likely win the game, regardless of the order anyway. And with that in mind, it's just simpler to lynch Breshke first and not try and wake up Palmar. But don't let that change your decision. | ||
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Later tonight, I'll take a very detailed look at what Artanis has been saying. | ||
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I'm extremely confident that he is town. And he could very well be right. | ||
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I don't think that scum would avoid bussing because of where the scum power role lies. That isn't very important at all. If for town, roles are merely an aid to normal gameplay, I don't see why this would change from a mafia perspective. Also, the situation was three players in a lynch pool, with the only real other lynch being Palmar. If the scum team is in fact WaveofShadow and yamato77, and they pushed the lynch that day to mislynch Breshke, there's a fair chance that they would have been lynched in succession as a result. Have I thought about Artanis being mafia? Of course. I haven't shared all of my reasons for Artanis being town, there is no need to, he isn't in danger of being lynched. But the fluidity of his reads, the sense that he's provided, and the genuine feeling to his posts all look really good to me. He behaves in a manner that is supported by the expected emotions and his character. And I really don't think that Artanis would push WaveofShadow there (without checking the context, it just doesn't feel necessary at all). Could he be mafia? I suppose, maybe. But even this final push on yamato77 makes a lot of sense. I could see scum trying to change the lynch here, but the thing is that Artanis is actually backing it with good reasons and it feels very genuine to me. So that just looks even better to me. Artanis may be good at mafia, but I simply don't see him being mafia here, especially with Breshke and yamato77 looking this bad. | ||
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##vote yamato77 At least for now. I'll read his filter when I get the chance. | ||
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That works ![]() | ||
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