Noir Mini Mafia: Chapter 3 - Page 4

WaveofShadow

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April 21 2015 22:44 GMT

#342

OK but what's your intent then? It's understandable not to want to lynch in the next hour or whatever, but was the whole point just to explain to damdred how poorly he's behaving? What is that supposed to accomplish?

WaveofShadow

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April 21 2015 22:56 GMT

#346

On April 22 2015 07:49 Trfel wrote:

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I was trying to put something into practice, to actually demonstrate it, instead of using words. Clearly that didn't actually get anything done.

I've shown why I think Damdred's play is suspicious. And I do think that voting Artanis is bad at this time. I've already said why I think that his reaction to my pressure with yamato77 was towny.

He's been focused and asking questions, getting information, getting discussion started. I'm not going to ignore that and lynch him because I disagree with one of his opinions, especially given the way he responded when questioned. I'm extremely surprised that Damdred would just lynch Artanis for this.

On April 22 2015 07:52 Damdred wrote:
I think you put way to much importance on votes in this setup specifically. Nobody is getting lynched today Sooo yea

No but that's exactly my point. The value of voting absolutely should not be devalued just because we've decided not to lynch today specifically.
Trfel if you think someone is scummy you vote them, how long we have for discussion today isn't the primary focus. It looks extremely odd that you throw suspicion on damdred going so far as to vote him,and then when your 'point' doesn't come across you unvote him. If this were a regular game what would that appear to be?

WaveofShadow

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April 21 2015 23:04 GMT

#349

I agree in theory but with only one hour left I don't think that's a good idea. It would be really forced at this point as nobody has really fleshed put much in terms of reada

WaveofShadow

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April 21 2015 23:22 GMT

#354

On April 22 2015 08:10 Palmar wrote:
We should shennie onto Wave for lulz.

WoS, if you promise not to post for the next 26 hours I'll tell the thread why I think you're mafia. That would also solve the problem of me having to argue my read with which seems like a fuckload of effort and I'm having a massive case of the cba.

Awesome.
Thanks for playing.

WaveofShadow

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April 21 2015 23:25 GMT

#355

You want someone to pressure into playing?
There's your perfect example.

##vote:palmar

I fucking hate this. Even if I lose a million games because people keep playing like him I still refuse to condone it.

WaveofShadow

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April 22 2015 03:21 GMT

#387

On April 22 2015 12:13 Damdred wrote:
Yes trfel you should read waves scum games before you say that he wouldn't be pissy with people rather than try to make friends XD.

Anyway, your scum game is better than you give it credit for and not just a lurking pile of mess.

Any questions while i'm here

Why Damdred if I didn't know better I'd say you didn't trust me.
I'm wounded. :D

I will warn you I will fight the use of meta on me until the bitter end. See the last couple games Koshi tunneled me calling me 100% scum until the bitter end.

On April 22 2015 12:06 Trfel wrote:
You guys stay around, okay? When I finish reading the thread, I need people to talk to.

On April 22 2015 12:13 Trfel wrote:

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Eh, never mind.

I think I need a break.

See you guys tomorrow.

This is a little ridiculous. The game is what, 16-17 pages?
Should take like 15 min at most, and you've spend more time than that actually IN the game already.

WaveofShadow

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April 22 2015 03:27 GMT

#391

Gimme a bit.
Iris going on

WaveofShadow

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April 22 2015 05:36 GMT

#414

Jesus fucking christ BH.

WaveofShadow

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April 22 2015 05:39 GMT

#415

On April 22 2015 13:38 Breshke wrote:
Ill properly read the bh thing later.

Damdred can you talk to me about rso. Why is she so townie to you like she makes me feel like an ass but i remember getting that feeling last game when she was scum as well.

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On April 22 2015 13:03 rsoultin wrote:

On April 22 2015 12:57 Breshke wrote:

On April 22 2015 12:50 rsoultin wrote:

On April 22 2015 12:42 Breshke wrote:

On April 22 2015 12:30 rsoultin wrote:
-shrugs- you can call it defensive if you want. i hate being misrepresented as either alignment, and i already had let it go a couple times before that xP

so give me something not concrete

i can see where you're coming from with damdy...but not so much with artanis, cause that's a pretty weak read lol >< if it's only based on the same posts you townread him for last time he was in the thread

as far as damdy is concerned, trying to get a lynch started with so little time before the 24hr mark doesn't sit well with me...i was actually warming up to him before that

That was my non conrete thing. There 8 players other than me. I'm townreading 4 out of 8 of those players. 2 of the remaining are not involved in the game so difficult to read. The remaining two yourself and yamato have been town reading each other most of the game, does this mean anything? Probably not even if it does I can't use it right now. I just read your filter and will probably read yamatos soon. That is like exactly where I am at at the moment.

Also I had that problem with damdy aswell but then this made me feel better about it

On April 22 2015 12:12 Damdred wrote:

On April 22 2015 11:07 Breshke wrote:
Ohh damdred I forgot to ask. Did you actually want to lynch artanis? Or were you just trying to get stuff to happen?

More of the later than the former I think, I don't like artie going about the game like he is though.

okay gonna be honest with you here...i don't need everyone to townread me and i get that you just came out of a scumgame with me, but that some of these townreads of yours are so fucking thin and the core of your "non-concrete sorta scum" is poe oh rsoul and yama were townreading each other is pretty bullshit in my eyes

i'll take another look at everyone tomorrow when i'm less irritated, but it's not happening tonight

quite simply, when you don't have scumreads that's usually a bad sign. but i've just come out of a game where you were town and defaulting to plynches so...though i still think your scumreads are even less noteworthy this game than in that one, i need to reread everything

tomorrow

Yeah im bad at scum and my meta is i cant push on people but you arn't using that in context if you are town. Do you have a scumread yourself? No you are pushing BH with me. This is a smaller game and you yourself don't have a scumread so I don't understand why you would try compare this game to my scum meta when obviously if you are town it isn't that easy to find scum this game.

Just coming out of a game where you being scum does affect my reads. I realize im probably biast hence why I was letting it go and trying to egt more information but frankly you are very similar this game to last. You're in the thread commenting on stuff but you arn't actually doing anything.

that is exactly why i have no desire to play tonight

if ppl can honest to god sit here and say (not just you) that i haven't been doing anything this game you're illiterate or scum or just plain bad and it's pissing me off to the point that i don't think i can approach this game objectively

lol i myself don't have a scumread? i haven't been doing anything? you think because I'm voting BH right now I don't have a scumread?! i've said what i think about pretty much every player in the game and you have the fucking gall to say i haven't pushed anyone, pointed anything out, come to any conclusions, have any scumreads ><

you know what, if you're scum and your purpose was to put me on tilt, congratulations. you've succeeded. i wouldn't even put it past you to be scum with yamato hoping to try to establish a connection between me and him, making this arbitrary association between us every opportunity you get...well screw that ><

i'm not doing this tonight -_- i'll revisit in the morning

Like that bolded bit is so weird to come from someone who has been townreading yamato all game but i get if she is town she is frustrated but I don't put it past her to be able to fake it as scum.

So basically give me your read on her.

Really like this post.
Breshke you town bro?

Like....this explanation for the oddness really isn't enough. You go from 'slightly less townread' on yamato to full on scum setting you up, and the paranoia doesn't look real. The rage might be though, and it would be hypocritical of me to assume otherwise.

WaveofShadow

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April 22 2015 05:40 GMT

#416

^^ oh and that probably wasn't clear but the latter half of my post is directed at rsoul

WaveofShadow

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April 22 2015 05:41 GMT

#417

Breshke let her cool down and talk to me about BH's monstrosity and Damdred for a bit.
Did you read that post? Do you have any primary thoughts?

WaveofShadow

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April 22 2015 05:54 GMT

#420

I dunno if I see scum working so closely together, like ever. And even then as you've acknowledged, bad association read.

And where IS yamato anyway?

WaveofShadow

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April 22 2015 06:06 GMT

#423

So you did read it?
Like....do I have to tiptoe around you now or can we talk? Or are you actually done for the night?

WaveofShadow

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April 22 2015 06:11 GMT

#425

Actually that post kind of answered a couple questions I had about you except for one.

see, i'm capable of rationality and won't just vote you even though you not having scumreads is a scumtell of yours, breshke, and not a scumtell for me

I was going to question you on your lack of scumreads despite the length and seeming depth of your filter and I'm ok with the pseudo-explanation after that quote, but I just hope you realize self-meta is even worse than regular meta.

Not having scumreads in general I judge on a case-by-case basis. In your case I'd wonder why you didn't have scumreads considering how you've been directing traffic for much of the game it seems but a seemingly weaker player I might not question it. In trfel's case given his current aggression I would actually expect something a little more from him. I still really don't like that 'vote on/vote off' bullshit he pulled earlier.

WaveofShadow

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April 22 2015 06:12 GMT

#427

On April 22 2015 15:09 Blazinghand wrote:

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so, do you think damdred is town or scum? you have successfully described my case, but you have not actually given your thoughts in response to it in a full way. I get it, you want to talk about me, but I'm literally ignoring things other than scum damdred right now. I don't care whether or not you care about my other reads. What are you gonna do, vote me? you already did that. You're clearly not asleep. You've read my case. You say the problem with it is that it's a "narrative", as though that means something. Come on rsoultin. Get your head in the game.

What do you think of Damdred? You claim you've expressed suspicion of Damdred, but you don't say what the read is on Damdred now. What do you think of Damdred's mindset? What do you think of damdred's play in general? I'm basically 100% right so I know you'r dodging here

stop dodging, or at least own the dodge.

I refuse to talk about other things.

Is this Wade Fell or Old Partner?

WaveofShadow

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April 22 2015 06:13 GMT

#428

And Breshke I'd still like to talk with you

WaveofShadow

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April 22 2015 06:39 GMT

#441

On April 22 2015 15:25 Breshke wrote:

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Sorry i actually didn't see this.

I like skim read through it skipped a few bits in the end/middle. I feel bad on commenting on stuff like that before reading it properly because if bh is town or scum he obviously put a lot of effort into it for me to just come and be like didnt read it here's what i think.

Anyway first off i don't like how it feels like he was trying to push scum on what felt like every single thing that damdred has posted. I don't think if someone is scum that they are scum in all their posts if that makes sense.

Some of the early stuff I think bh had a problem with can be explained by damdred thinking it was standard IML and then being told it wasn't(this is referring to the throwing away vote thing) . I can see how BH would miss this as if you read damdreds filter (I assume this is what happend) and not the game you wouldn't really get the grasp of that.

Then i don't really rememebr much else from it other than the point about him voting artanis after BH came in with his excuse that damdred predicted. I liked this point and it is odd but damdred did say to me that his vote on artanis was trying to make stuff happen so i can see a world where he would push on artanis instead of BH here because more people would react to the artanis push whereas a push on bh would get put down as a plynch

I think it's actually pretty hilarious for so many people to come in and go tl;dr to BH's post. He kinda deserves it for playing like he does half the time lol

So first, I agree with your first point, and that's exactly what rsoul has been saying. These kind of narrative reads are what I used to rely on, but you can go through anyone's filter and paint them in whatever light you like in this way. It can be convincing in the right hands, but it's not particularly accurate which is ultimately what matters to the rst of town. The convincing-ness of the post is what matters to BH as either alignment.

Damdred also recently said something about thinking it was standard IML. Where did he do this, because I can't find it.

Like....reading through Damdred's filter is easier than reading BH's case on him, fuck

WaveofShadow

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April 22 2015 06:42 GMT

#442

K I'm randomly nitpicking parts of BH's post because it's all I can do

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So, I don't even understand how anyone can let damdred get away with this paragraph. He's like, talking about the "uneveness" between how wave treats art and yamato? again, no evidence, other than he notes that wave has a different opinion on art and yam's alignment. You can't just call something strange and make it strange. What a vague read! Another classic scum move.

So....from this I think you can tell that BH absolutely ignored all context of anything Dmadred said or what was going on in thread. This is the stupid clusterfuck from yesterday where I argued with rsoul for ages and Damdred rehashed some of it, but he treats it as if it's Damdred's original thought. I don't think the read itself is vague at all, just bad, but again the importance here is that BH absolutely did not look for contextual cues when making this post of EVERYTHING in Damdred's filter, and it doesn't make him look good.